CONFIRMED Oliver Burke

[Niceguyeddie]

Didzy was highly rated by ipswich fans.

Clarke was aswell and had scored 30 goals i think for bury.

Moose also had his fair share of positives from AFCB fans. They just said he hadnt done it for them yet but most agreed he had talent.

Madine was slated but he had a long career of scoring goals regularly which isnt the case with this guy.

Not one positive comment about this guy. I want to be proved wrong obviously, but cant see it happening.

All that may be true but every player on that list had a fifty page thread full off whiny bitches crying into their lambrusco and guess what they all did OK

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

All that may be true but every player on that list had a fifty page thread full off whiny bitches crying into their lambrusco and guess what they all did OK

Châteauneuf-du-Pape in my case

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why are you lot insistent on listening to other clubs fans when clubs such as Brentford told us Egan and O’Connell were a waste of money and couldn’t believe we’d signed them.

I’ll see that comment and raise you the shite that gets spouted on here. For example the stick Berge got from some quarters, see also Fleck, Norwood, Basham, Sharp, Dids, Moose, McB......
Fans collectively chat shit all the time and know little of what they’re talking about when it comes to players.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

All that may be true but every player on that list had a fifty page thread full off whiny bitches crying into their lambrusco and guess what they all did OK

So do you have any thoughts on the player or you just going to bitch about what others are saying?

Let me guess...

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

Awful deal Burke for Robinson.

Don’t mind this at all, he’s gone for £30m+ already in his career. We’ve already established CR can’t do it at this level so let WB find that out themselves. A bit like that West Ham kid they’ve signed, was good in the championship. OB could be a bit of a rough diamond. He’s obviously got pace and seems to have a bit about him.. was good last season for Alaves. What’s the worst that can happen really? Robinson is about 4/5 in the pecking order.

I dont buy this argument that Robinson can't do it at Premier League level he never got a real chance to prove himself.

 

[SUFCinks]

I’ll see that comment and raise you the shite that gets spouted on here. For example the stick Berge got from some quarters, see also Fleck, Norwood, Basham, Sharp, Dids, Moose, McB......
Fans collectively chat shit all the time and know little of what they’re talking about when it comes to players.

Players aren't exempt from critisism and whilst some is OTT not all is. A whole fanbase saying the same things + multiple managers says a lot!

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Awful deal Burke for Robinson.

I dont buy this argument that Robinson can't do it at Premier League level he never got a real chance to prove himself.

He did though. He got sent on loan because he wasn't going to be in the squad because he wasn't up to standard.

 

[SouthportBlade]

End of the day Burke is a bit of a gamble. He offers something different to what we already have and a great alternative to Mousset.

He's obviously quite / very raw, but has a lot of potential and based on transfer fees amassed other people have seen it as well.

With another forward coming in, it's unlikely he'll be first team.

He's an upgrade on Leon and probably Zivkovic as well, both of who weren't great. But again this improves the group.

Will lose no sleep over Robinson going the other way. He looked out of his depth for us last year, particularly in a striker role.

My guess is he's a boom or bust, hit or shit type signing. Only time will tell.

 

[Skiliman]

Robinson was a good buy for the price when we signed him. A player too good for the championship and was untested in the PL. If we went down last season we would now have one of the best strikers in the league. I think its fair to say he doesnt fit in our system and West brom play the same formation as PNE did. He likes to play on the left of a three as he doesnt have the strength to play as an out and out striker. I think CW doesnt see him getting game time so would rather swap him for Burke, who suits our system better and has the tools to improve massively.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Players aren't exempt from critisism and whilst some is OTT not all is. A whole fanbase saying the same things + multiple managers says a lot!

I’d tend to agree, but I’d already looked at the manager’s in question.
Pullis, (Megson), Pardew, Moore, and Bilić, and which manager did he show his best form since his Forest days? Rogers.
I ain’t buying those managers view of him as they’re all bang average coaches and all have a similar style.

 

[SUFCinks]

I’d tend to agree, and then I looked at the manager’s in question.
Pullis, (Megson), Pardew, Moore, and Bilić, and which manager did he show his best form since his Forest days? Rogers.

good point, he was rated at forrest and BA anylatics seems a bit calmer/hasnt written it off, he does tend to be more measured. Still the signs arent great. Lets hope at worst hes an improvement on ziko!

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Châteauneuf-du-Pape in my case

If that is what you like, then if you come across a Nuits-Saint-Georges then don't pass up the opportunity.

UTB

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

He did though. He got sent on loan because he wasn't going to be in the squad because he wasn't up to standard.

And the rest were? bar McBurnie and Mousett we had no one that could come on and make a real difference.

Robinson would have offered us a bigger threat up front letting him go on loan without bringing a proper replacement in was short sighted to say the least.

But then again that is us all over leaving ourselves short on quality up top.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Players aren't exempt from critisism and whilst some is OTT not all is. A whole fanbase saying the same things + multiple managers says a lot!

So why not give him a season and then discuss him fairly. Say you don’t rate what you’ve seen so far, say his touch looks suspect but to say it’s a shit signing before he’s kicked a ball or we even know how much we paid for him is bollocks.

 

[bertieblade]

But then again that is us all over leaving ourselves short on quality up top.

Rather like your contribution to the forum!

We finished 9th last year
We made the best of what we had and I fully expect us to do the same again.
We had a budget to adhere to, our management team used it well.
Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion but at least be realistic

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

And the rest were? bar McBurnie and Mousett we had no one that could come on and make a real difference.

Robinson would have offered us a bigger threat up front letting him go on loan without bringing a proper replacement in was short sighted to say the least.

But then again that is us all over leaving ourselves short on quality up top.

Robinson started the season with the shirt and was given plenty of opportunity to show what he offered and clearly didn’t impress.
He certainly got more games than you are giving Burke before writing him off.

 

[SUFCinks]

So why not give him a season and then discuss him fairly. Say you don’t rate what you’ve seen so far, say his touch looks suspect but to say it’s a shit signing before he’s kicked a ball or we even know how much we paid for him is bollocks.

Because im commenting on us signing him based on what his current fans/team/manager have said on him not what he will/might be like in a year. I can only comment on the now.

Its a forum, its where people discuss opinions. I have his record to go on + opinions + his ‘highlights’. All very poor.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

good point, he was rated at forrest and BA anylatics seems a bit calmer/hasnt written it off, he does tend to be more measured. Still the signs arent great. Lets hope at worst hes an improvement on ziko!

Exactly the way to look at it. We need a bigger impact from him in this league than we had from Ziko and/or Clarke for it to be a squad improvement and his potential is immense.
If he also improves on Robinson’s contribution (and I like and was happy to keep him), then he’s well into credit.

 

[SilkyBlade]

End of the day Burke is a bit of a gamble. He offers something different to what we already have and a great alternative to Mousset.

He's obviously quite / very raw, but has a lot of potential and based on transfer fees amassed other people have seen it as well.

With another forward coming in, it's unlikely he'll be first team.

He's an upgrade on Leon and probably Zivkovic as well, both of who weren't great. But again this improves the group.

Will lose no sleep over Robinson going the other way. He looked out of his depth for us last year, particularly in a striker role.

My guess is he's a boom or bust, hit or shit type signing. Only time will tell.

I don’t think he is a gamble in the sense that Robinson is simply not good enough and given there is not a lot of money in Championship his resale value has plummeted. Fans can argue we haven’t seen enough of him but CWAK have seen him in countless training sessions. More importantly he went on loan to an attacking team, in a lower division, playing in his preferred position, who dominated possession and his goal/assist output was poor for what many on here believe is a Prem striker. Burke, has the attributes to be some player If reaches potential but of course is a risk because he may not ever reach it. Plenty of upside to this deal balanced against very little downside with no capital outlay. I still think a big striker signing is coming as we have only spent c£20M on Ramsdale/Wes/Bogle/Lowe/Burke. Budget would likely be similar to first season £50M if no COVID and so I guess that budget likely to now be c£35-40M so hoping/praying for the big £15-20M signing still to come

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Because im commenting on us signing him based on what his current fans/team/manager have said on him not what he will/might be like in a year. I can only comment on the now.

Its a forum, its where people discuss opinions. I have his record to go on + opinions + his ‘highlights’. All very poor.

Looked decent at Forest, had moment at Celtic as well as apparently last season (didn’t see it myself) but that’s fine, if fans fail to see the potential and want to value the opinion of the managers I listed then that their prerogative. Their opinion can be wrong, and it can be argued against and when they’ve gone well over the top and the opinion is ridiculous, it can be mocked brought up as evidence that they talk shit. Free speak is a wonderful thing, as is owning the crap you put out on a public forum.

 

[SUFCinks]

Looked decent at Forest, had moment at Celtic as well as apparently last season (didn’t see it myself) but that’s fine, if fans fail to see the potential and want to value the opinion of the managers I listed then that their prerogative. Their opinion can be wrong, and it can be argued against and when they’ve gone well over the top and the opinion is ridiculous, it can be mocked brought up as evidence that they talk shit. Free speak is a wonderful thing, as is owning the crap you put out on a public forum.

its a forum not north korea. People have different opinions thats life. Lets hope he discovers that forest form and not the WBA one. Like i say would love to proven wrong.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

its a forum not north korea. People have different opinions thats life. Lets hope he discovers that forest form and not the WBA one. Like i say would love to proven wrong.

Which bit of my post did you think said people couldn’t post what they liked or suggested we should have North Korea type censorship? It was the total opposite.

Maybe it was being accountable for what you post and being open to criticism for it, that you didn’t like. Free speech can be tough like that, but it’s not the right to say what you like without being challenged.

 

[SUFCinks]

Which bit of my post did you think said people couldn’t post what they liked or suggested we should have North Korea type censorship? It was the total opposite.

Maybe it was being accountable for what you post and being open to criticism for it, that you didn’t like. Free speech can be tough like that, but it’s not the right to say what you like without being challenged.

i personally have no problem with being challenged, quite the opposite.
‘it can be mocked brought up as evidence that they talk shit. Free speak is a wonderful thing, as is owning the crap you put out on a public forum.’
anyway we are both going wildly off-topic, i think we both want it to work i just have massive concerns and you want to give him a full season before making judgement. Fine. Lets hope i’m the one in the wrong i’ll be the first to hold my hands up and say i got it wrong!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

i personally have no problem with being challenged, quite the opposite.
‘it can be mocked brought up as evidence that they talk shit. Free speak is a wonderful thing, as is owning the crap you put out on a public forum.’
anyway we are both going wildly off-topic, i think we both want it to work i just have massive concerns and you want to give him a full season before making judgement. Fine. Lets hope i’m the one in the wrong i’ll be the first to hold my hands up and say i got it wrong!

Yeah let’s hope so.

 

[bonnet de douche]

Whatever happens he will give us more than Robinson looked like giving us ....so give him a chance ..Robinson had his chance ..never looked like being good or committed enough ...so let’s hope we are the club where Burke does it ...not over confident tbh ..but he just might ..

 

[AnonBear]

All that may be true but every player on that list had a fifty page thread full off whiny bitches crying into their lambrusco and guess what they all did OK

Erm... why the bitches / Lambrusco references?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Erm... why the bitches / Lambrusco references?

 

[Guesty]

i personally have no problem with being challenged, quite the opposite.
‘it can be mocked brought up as evidence that they talk shit. Free speak is a wonderful thing, as is owning the crap you put out on a public forum.’
anyway we are both going wildly off-topic, i think we both want it to work i just have massive concerns and you want to give him a full season before making judgement. Fine. Lets hope i’m the one in the wrong i’ll be the first to hold my hands up and say i got it wrong!

Yeah let’s hope so.

Your avatars make it look like one bloke is having an argument with himself.

 

[Champagneblade]

I'd like to make a delicate point and I hesitate to post it, so I really hope this is taken in the spirit it is intended.

But do you think Burke would be perceived differently with his reported attributes if he weren't a white Scottish lad?

My point is not so much around racial stereotyping, but rather reference points.

He is quick, tall, and strong by all accounts.

How many black footballers does that immediately elicit a warm feeling from? Could be the next Brian Deane steeling a march on Pallister to score the first PL goal? Could he be like a young Agana, romping away from the Leicester defence? The next Nathan Blake perhaps banging one in against Newcastle? or Christian Nade ragdolling Kolo Toure to score past Jens Lehman? The sort of attributes hark me back to some great memories in my time watching United.

I can't find a reference point for a white footballer with those attributes at all that has played for United. I can only think of someone like Alan McInally in that type of mold and he of course wasn't a Blade.

The creed or colour doesn't matter and shouldn't and I do hope he can be the next Deane or Agana but perhaps it would also help with his perception if we consider him in the bracket as those mentioned above and the memories they elicit. Maybe he can do the same?

 

[bongleblade]

I am happy for us to sign Burke, what really puts me off this deal is CR going the other way, really feel he could kick on this season (even if he does not fit our system) and i think we should be loaning him out at maximum, or giving him a shout at our first team.

What makes me say this is look at the start of the season, Robinson was playing very well and contributing, lost his way a little but great prospect and i just cannot see Burke having the same impact, so i would rather have both players than lose one, also CR scored lots of Championship goals, Burke yet to prove it in England, but i really hope he proves me wrong