Stats..............a little concerned

[Jim Chimmerney]

Sadly football fans want revolution overnight Jim. The negative ones want it quicker. That's the nature of the beast. But I'm with you.....all in all, its good enough at the moment and I'm seeing some positive things. A lot of work to do though.

I agree about the 'want it now' brigade but at the end of the day, the football is miles better than it was and 9 points from every 5 games hereon in and we're in the play-offs !

 

[Guesty]

I agree about the 'want it now' brigade but at the end of the day, the football is miles better than it was and 9 points from every 5 games hereon in and we're in the play-offs !

If we replicate exactly what we've done so far we'll be in with the worst goal difference ever seen in the top half!

 

[Ollessendro]

how on earth can played 4, won 3, lost 1 become 60% win record?
im pretty sure when i went to school all those years ago 3 out of 4 = 75%
or three quarters.
olle old boy, i have to hand it too you, we win 3, not well and indeed lucky and lose 1 badly, 4-0 at home is bad no matter how you look at it, but saying that i really dont think you would have a good thing to say if we had just beat arsenal, manure and chelsea then lost to west sham.
the record does speak for itself you are showing all 7 games of which speed was only in charge for the last 4 of which he has won 3.
likely we will lose next 2 huh olle, well maybe so and that might justify your complete and utter lack of optimism BUT i ask you if after next 2 games which i think two more 1-0 WINS are in order, will you at least concede that the slightest inkling of the idea that you might just be mistaken and the blades are improving?
like you olle, i used to think i was always right, but one time i thought i was wrong but later found i was mistaken

MunXy

It seems pretty clear that you didn't go to school.

wins: Derby, Preston and Pompey
losses: Scunny and BORO
divide 3 by 5 and you get 60%. Unless of course you want to (conveniently) forget the Boro game and distort the stats?

what can I say, you look at the glass a 1/4 full, I see it 3/4 empty, I can count, you can't, you wear red and white specs, I don't ...... we are not going to agree. IF MunXy we win the next 2 games (by 1-0 or whatever) then I will indeed admit progress is being made. In fact if we take maximum points from the next 2 games I'll come on here, issue a public apology for being too negative and physically kiss you, SV, Copenhagen!!!?

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I don't find your posts boring Olle, and you have a right to your opinion. But in your quest to find negatives in every aspect of life at Sheffield United, you don't half talk some shite.

League position is determined by points, not goal difference. Write to the league and complain if it doesn't leave the club low enough for your liking, but that's the fact is it stands.

Maybe turn up and watch a few games - you might like a little of what you see. We're clearly a long way off, but the journey doesn't have to be remotely as painful as you want to make it for yourself, unless you enjoy hating your club.

Your entitled to your opinion. I'm sure you are not the only one who thinks my opinions are shite, but at least you debate them.

I never argued that the league table was based on anything other than points. Our final league position will be based on the points we get, of course. However goal difference is a very good indication of how well a team is playing. This is not just a vendetaa aginst SUFC, I would say it for any club. The league table contains randomness, i.e. luck and goal difference is another indicator of how well a team has played.

the jibe at the end about not going to games is pretty low and lets your post down. Partly becuase it's irrelevant and also because it is way off the mark.

I generally don't but seeing as you have to throw a post into almost every thread where you can criticize the club and team, trying to be funny they are sometimes hard to avoid.
It is a shame because as an exile it is nice to keep in touch and chat about the club but sadly this site like BU is being overtaken by Trolls, trying to fill their own agenda. What you get out of it, when you are posting under an alias is beyond me but it obviously gives you some satisfaction in your 'life' And before you go into \Clapper or Sunshine Band or whatever they are called then don't as I think that the club should be criticised as well as praised. Fans have a lot of power at their clubs and we shouldn't abuse or dis-respect that.

There are unfortunately few posters left who want to have a constructive debate without someone or other screaming clapper or knocker. If you want to criticize come up with a solution, that is at least realistic in it's proposal.

Great post Copenhagen. Probably as pathetic as they come.

You attempt to debate (Arsenal won trophies with 1-0) and I challenge you with a few facts and suddenly the insults are out. 'You're life is pathetic', 'you are troll' and la de da. You'd be better off not reading my posts, saving your insults and not making yourself look like a complete child.

Olle, alco is right. Just try to enjoy being a Blade. It doesn't have to be torture....its only football

Your posts are far from boring though. Even though you're a negative nelly you wear your heart on your sleeve which is not a bad thing. I think what actually bores your critics is the fact that they bite at everything you say constantly.....in which case they shouldn't do it.

Cheers SC.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

you look at the glass a 1/4 full, I see it 3/4 empty

Are you seriously looking at the 5 games since Speed took over not happy with the general play and feeling pessimistic about the future ?

 

[Ollessendro]

Why not leave Ollie to be the miserable every silver lining has a cloud type of fan. Hes my ying to Dunc's yang as he says himself if his posts wind you up don't read them and don't reply.
I don't agree with most of them but I enjoy an opposite opinion even if I think its Pony at least there is some reasoning behind it.
I'd rather have 100 posters like Ollie rather than the other knockers who just post negative comments without any reasoning time after time. You almost get the impression that they actively want the Blades to lose or for a player to fail just to prove them right.

Let's discuss the aspects of the thread and the worrying stats rather than Ollie half empty cup.

Thanks Bob.

I thought this opinion was about debate and encouraged a wide audience. I don't remember there being anything in the rules about not poosting any negative comments or questioning the manager.

When Speed took over he tried to deflect away the questions about change of style emphasising that results were the main thing at this stage. 5 games in, we've won 3 lost 2. We were probably worth a point at Boro, we're unlucky to lose to Scunny but arguably got a lucky win against Pompey so overall, we've probably about deserved the points we have achieved under him.

Everyone will agree that we're attempting to change our style but given the fact that it's the same set of players, we have a new coach and only 5 games in, the negativity is beyond me. People were talking about a revolution after the Derby win and it seems Tuesday's freak result has knocked some people sideways. Complaining that we're winning games 1-0, complaining that we're missing chances when there's been countless games in the last 18 months where we haven't created any. There's always room for improvement and I've no problem with debating where we need to improve but the negativity, the cheap as chips II nonsense is just ridiculous at this stage. I for one am happy that things are moving in the right direction and with 3 wins, 3 clean sheets, surely that's enough after only 5 games ?

Jim, this thread is about stats. Sure we've won 3 out of 5, but our shots on target, goals scored, goals conceded, possession etc is worrying. That's what Frechy was getting at. I merely added to this. My suggestion is that we've been lucky. Yes, we've won 3 (definate progress) but shouldn't get carried away as we've been lucky (e.g. 2 shots on target in victories over Pompey and Preston).

As you mentioned it what is wrong with the cheap as chips mark II analogy? He was the cheap option (the main reason for the name) and is showing some of Blackwells charachteristics. I agree that maybe he should be given time to stamp his authrority. However some fans where worried he'd be a chip of the block when he was appointed and (in my eyes) he hasn't done a lot to discourage that.

 

[Houso]

Lots of opinions in that post Olle. What happened to the dealing in FACTS?

 

[Ollessendro]

Are you seriously looking at the 5 games since Speed took over not happy with the general play and feeling pessimistic about the future ?

I am serisouly concerned. We are in a relegation battle and I'm not sure if we have the quality to get out of it. If someone offered me 17th place now, I'd snatch their hand off. I'm sorry Jim, but I can't see further than that. It is difficut to be optimistic, when you are looking solely at staying up.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Thanks Bob.


As you mentioned it what is wrong with the cheap as chips mark II analogy? He was the cheap option (the main reason for the name)

Do you know how much Speed is paid?

 

[Houso]

I am serisouly concerned. We are in a relegation battle and I'm not sure if we have the quality to get out of it. If someone offered me 17th place now, I'd snatch their hand off. I'm sorry Jim, but I can't see further than that. It is difficut to be optimistic, when you are looking solely at staying up.

We're somewhat closer to automatic promotion than relegation. I'm curious as to how we're in a relegation battle.

So, this opinion is bobbins when you consider the facts. No?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I am serisouly concerned. We are in a relegation battle and I'm not sure if we have the quality to get out of it. If someone offered me 17th place now, I'd snatch their hand off. I'm sorry Jim, but I can't see further than that. It is difficut to be optimistic, when you are looking solely at staying up.

How are we in a relegation battle when we are 2 points short of the play-offs and 5 away from the bottom 3 ?

Of course the goals scored is a concern but who cares if we're not conceding at the other end. You're quite happy to disregard two of our wins, OK then disregard the 'freak' Scunny result and we've conceded 1 goal under Speed, probably the best defensive record in the division bar QPR. Of course you will concentrate on that game, fair enough but the bigger picture suggests we're far from in a relegation battle.

 

[Ollessendro]

Do you know how much Speed is paid?

Nope. But he is a first time manager, with no experience. Plus our chairman is extremely stringent and we are skint as a club.

You never complained when people refered to KB as the cheap option, so why start when Speed is refered to as?

We're somewhat closer to automatic promotion than relegation. I'm curious as to how we're in a relegation battle.

So, this opinion is bobbins when you consider the facts. No?

Nope. YOU check your facts. We are currently 14th. That's closer to relegataion than automatic.

It appears that a few on here have trouble with basic numerics, so i'll spell it out. We are 14th. That is 12 places away from 2nd (an automatic spot) and 10 away from a relegation spot.

Regardless, it's my opinion that we are in a relegation dog fight. Doesn't make any difference to me if you think that we are not. Let's just see where we are after the next 2 games and see if the fact is that we are closer to relegation or (automatic) promotion.

 

[Houso]

Ah, I forgot the league doesn't work on a points system. Thanks for clearing that up.

So, what you're saying is that after the next game we could be in the relegation places but not in the playoffs depending on the result?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It appears that a few on here have trouble with basic numerics, so i'll spell it out. We are 14th. That is 12 places away from 2nd (an automatic spot) and 10 away from a relegation spot.

OK, you've moved the goalposts to automatic promotion but even still, is 10 nearer to 14 or 5 ?

 

[Houso]

Fleety, we're in a relegation battle. That's the fact. Are you stupid or something?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Nope. But he is a first time manager, with no experience. Plus our chairman is extremely stringent and we are skint as a club.

You never complained when people refered to KB as the cheap option, so why start when Speed is refered to as?

Actually i did at the start but couldn't be arsed to continue with it.

It just strikes me a bit odd to be calling someone cheap as chips, when i believe your preferred option was Sean O'Driscoll. Do you think he would have cost more than Speed to hire?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Nope. YOU check your facts. We are currently 14th. That's closer to relegataion than automatic.

Not necessarily. A team that is 21st could even be closer to automatic than relegation.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Do you know how much Speed is paid?

I think it is fair to conclude that it was cheeper to install Speed than remove our backroom team and then pay compo for another established manager like SoD for example.

I still think it will prove to be a good move, but that opinion isn't based in any fact apart from I liked what I saw from the first few matches (if not the last one).

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think it is fair to conclude that it was cheeper to install Speed than remove our backroom team and then pay compo for another established manager like SoD for example.

ON that point you're probably right.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I think it is fair to conclude that it was cheeper to install Speed than remove our backroom team and then pay compo for another established manager like SoD for example.

I still think it will prove to be a good move, but that opinion isn't based in any fact apart from I liked what I saw from the first few matches (if not the last one).

Speed wont be cheap. He was on a fortune as a player. Why would he take peanuts to be a manager/coach? If he has as much as halved his playing salary I would be very surprised.

 

[MunXy]

sorry ollie you are absolutely right, i did neglect boro game.
that being said doesnt alter the fact that at this very moment our blades are closer on points (league position is the only deceptive point here) to playoffs than we are to relegation.
as for goals ratio, well stats can be twisted to prove almost any "fact"
for instance working on ones you have quoted, we may have a very low shots per game ratio but turn that round, maybe tho i dont have the opta stats that could mean we have a high goals per shot per game
incedently im not in the glass half full, half empty brigade im in the "thats not my glass, my glass was full AND it was a much bigger glass" people
on a side note id like people to stop slagging olle off for expressing his opinions, rightly or wrongly he is as entitled to them as the rest of you, and childish name calling just really hurts the credibility not only of this forum but makes blades fans in general sound immature, bitter, un-intelligent and mostly closed minded to anyone elses thoughts, if they dont agree with me they must be wrong, stupid, other (delete where applicable)
as stated if you dont like someones post, feel free to reply, but dont bring it down to name calling and shit, it doesnt help

MunXy

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I think it is fair to conclude that it was cheeper to install Speed than remove our backroom team and then pay compo for another established manager like SoD for example.

I still think it will prove to be a good move, but that opinion isn't based in any fact apart from I liked what I saw from the first few matches (if not the last one).

Having said that Bob, it was reasonable to presume that as well as we played in parts on Tuesday, the result and goals conceded meant that we were always going to be a lot more cautious in our approach on Saturday, particularly as Pompey are a decent team and IMO in a false position.

 

[Houso]

Any chance he can stop the name-calling of our players and staff?

Nevertheless, Olle doesn't have an opinion. Only FACTS.

 

[Micalijo]

Having said that Bob, it was reasonable to presume that as well as we played in parts on Tuesday, the result and goals conceded meant that we were always going to be a lot more cautious in our approach on Saturday, particularly as Pompey are a decent team and IMO in a false position.

Absolutely nowt to do with a cautious approach. Scunthorpe are appallingly bad and weak hence the shite left by Blackwell were actually able to look reasonably dangerous at times. Every side looks dangerous against Scunthorpe. Pompey were just better than us and we couldn't mount an attack because we can't pass it against decent sides and have no pace. If we were being cautious it had no affect on restricting the chances Pompey had, ask Simmo and see MOTM award.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Any chance he can stop the name-calling of our players and staff?

Nevertheless, Olle doesn't have an opinion. Only FACTS.

in the style of 'Chuck Norris facts'

When Ollesandro has an opinion, the encyclopedia Brittanica cites it as a Fact.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Speed wont be cheap. He was on a fortune as a player. Why would he take peanuts to be a manager/coach? If he has as much as halved his playing salary I would be very surprised.

His playing salary had already reduced a while ago as it was in his contract that it reduced significantly upon the coaching aspect kicking in.

I would say he has probably on less than half his playing salary, but he hasn't been on that for well over a year.

Having said that Bob, it was reasonable to presume that as well as we played in parts on Tuesday, the result and goals conceded meant that we were always going to be a lot more cautious in our approach on Saturday, particularly as Pompey are a decent team and IMO in a false position.

A fair point, I looked at their squad on Saturday and thought they'd got a cracking first 11.

 

[Houso]

They had a very good bench to fair too and I'd have taken 2 or 3 players off it.

Utaka was excellent and possibly the best player I've seen this season despite his reputation.

 

[beechblade]

His playing salary had already reduced a while ago as it was in his contract that it reduced significantly upon the coaching aspect
A fair point, I looked at their squad on Saturday and thought they'd got a cracking first 11.

Likewise that 11 will start spanking teams when it gels properly.

It was a poor game and they stiffled us, they looked organised, we do need to learn to adapt better to different styles but all in all we got a good win after taking a half chance. Just as Scunthorpe punished us the other night for not taking our chances Tuesday we punished Pompey for not being clinical enough.

 

[Houso]

They definitely stifled us.

After the goal went in they opened up a lot and we created much more. That said, up until then they'd still bossed the match for the most part.

 

[beechblade]

They definitely stifled us.

After the goal went in they opened up a lot and we created much more. That said, up until then they'd still bossed the match for the most part.

They also spent half the afternoon kicking the shit out of our players and rolling around like a set of panzies in the end, i believe they got what they truly deserve, sweet f all.

 

[shorehamview]

I think it's fair to say that with Olle you might get the "we're shit" side of the argument a hell of a lot but at least he backs up his statement with a decent argument that raises itself head and shoulders above the "we're shit because I say so, and if I say the moon is made of green cheese then it is because it's me" or the "wait and see, I'm always right" idiots.

He's making points and generating discussion. Sure, you might think he's on the wind-up, but he comes across as one of the blokes you could have a good old pub-based discussion/argument/banter with. There are other posters who come out with wild generalisations and sometimes crap that's nowhere near the truth and if they were to join in with the banter in the pub would soon be skewered with an old pool cue, but they believe every word of it, as in "player X has never ever passed to a member of the same team". With Olle at least you don't get the desire to launch the monitor across the room, because if you ask a question he'll give you an answer, which is more than one or two posters on here seem capable of. Olle won't give you a swerver.

Now, before this comes across as either a total love-in or wank-fest I will state quite categorically that I'm not a "sunshiner" or a "clapper" - that is, frankly, an insult to either "side" that gets the same crappy labels. Sure, I like a good discussion, like most of the members of this forum, but I can recognise when a member wants to have a discussion and will quite happily debate matters like Olle, and when they just want to shout their own opinion long and loud without accepting the validity of anybody else's. (See *******, ********, ******* and *******. Insert your own ideas of names here. I won't.)


I am also fully aware that all is far from rosy at Bramall Lane - I've missed something like seven home matches in the last seven years, and six of those were when I was out of the country, and I know that we are far from great. I also want better for the club, I would like to see us up in the Premier League and winning stuff, but I'm not about to slash my wrists with a sharpened Bertie Blade just because we happen to be bobbins right now.

For me the glass is mainly half full, not half empty, although there have been times like the glass has been half full of either tramp's piss or strychnine. That won't stop be going back for more. It might be masochistic, but it's the team I got stuck with many years ago, and being shit won't change that. Besides, who else is their to support round here? Those blue and white stripes make me heave.