CONFIRMED Oliver Burke

[Rocketmark66]

This is my take on the matter fwiw.
We've got Callum Robinson, who isn't going to cut the mustard for us.
Then there's Olli Burke, who as all the experts on here reckon he's crap, but you never know he might just surprise everyone and be a hit.
So wot have we got to lose by letting Robbo go to WBA and swapping him for Burke.
Or is this just too simplistic, (or maybe I am ).

 

[SUFCinks]

This is my take on the matter fwiw.
We've got Callum Robinson, who isn't going to cut the mustard for us.
Then there's Olli Burke, who as all the experts on here reckon he's crap, but you never know he might just surprise everyone and be a hit.
So wot have we got to lose by letting Robbo go to WBA and swapping him for Burke.
Or is this just too simplistic, (or maybe I am ).

west brom dont rate him, they rate robbo. They have worked with both players and want to get rid of burke and buy robbo. I think thats the most simplistic view. We lose a good player for a poor one.

 

[Heffernans tache]

Speedboat no driver.

 

[Rocketmark66]

west brom dont rate him, they rate robbo. They have worked with both players and want to get rid of burke and buy robbo. I think thats the most simplistic view. We lose a good player for a poor one.

But Wilder rates Burke, and if he's willing to let Robbo go the other way, then surely this means he rates Burke more than he rates Robbo.
But then again obviously the fans know better

 

[Blade56]

Despite my otherwise zen-like appearance on here, this makes me twitchy. I'm unsure of the benefits of getting rid of one winger (who struggled in our formation) and replacing him with another. I suppose it may mean 'forward' in the looser sense, rather than centre forward.

What’s to say he’s not going to replace Moose as a wide right side attacker. We don’t know if Moose is struggling being seporated from his family and for all the knocking of Moose no one can blame him if he can’t get his head right in the uk.

 

[Sam64]

As I see it Burke's got the raw attributes of a PL player, pace and power. He might not good enough up there. Robinson hasn't and we've already seen he's not quick. I do rate Robinson but not as a striker, wouldn't mind a swap deal but I would like some money coming our way.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm really perplexed about this. If he's being signed as a wide forward/winger, we don't play them. Sure, he might be of some use off the bench but it would make more sense to just get money for Robinson and put it towards a position we actually play?

 

[Rocketmark66]

What’s to say he’s not going to replace Moose as a wide right side attacker. We don’t know if Moose is struggling being seporated from his family and for all the knocking of Moose no one can blame him if he can’t get his head right in the uk.

This is it tho isn't it, no-one knows wots in the plans.
Think I'll just sit back and

I'm really perplexed about this. If he's being signed as a wide forward/winger, we don't play them. Sure, he might be of some use off the bench but it would make more sense to just get money for Robinson and put it towards a position we actually play?

Unless Wilder really thinks Burke can be a real asset coming off of the bench and reverting to plan b,c or d.

 

[LondonBlade89]

west brom dont rate him, they rate robbo. They have worked with both players and want to get rid of burke and buy robbo. I think thats the most simplistic view. We lose a good player for a poor one.

Brentford didn't rate O'Connell. No clubs rated David McGoldrick. We don't rate Callum Robinson. We didn't rate Paul Coutts. You're right it's a simplistic way of looking at things, and so it isn't how you should look at things.

Burke is streets ahead of Robinson pace wise. I completely agree, having only seen clips, that his finishing and passing looks as though it can leave a lot to be desired. But I think after a year in the Premier League Wilder is minded to think that Robinson doesn't have the physical attributes to excel in the Premier League as a forward in our system. He's not strong enough, not quick or fast enough and doesn't put himself about enough. The rest of our strikers have at least one of those things. And he reckons Oli Burke does too. And having watched him, I agree. It's a completely different matter combining that with actual skill and ability, but I think Wilder reckons he could be a low risk gamble, particularly if he's getting Burke plus money for Robinson.

 

[SUFCinks]

But Wilder rates Burke, and if he's willing to let Robbo go the other way, then surely this means he rates Burke more than he rates Robbo.
But then again obviously the fans know better

we dont know burkes ability as much as West Brom who have had both at their disposal, loaned 1 out and want to buy the other. Wilder hasnt got 100% success rate with his transfers either. His technical ability is pretty poor you can tell by watching his vids. A very heavy touch and lots of pace. Not a good combo. The amount of times in his highlights he ran the ball out of play and these are his best bits. None of the fans of other teams rate him either. Personally i rate robbo and think he would be more of a success than burke would ever be (In my opinion).

 

[SUFCinks]

Brentford didn't rate O'Connell. No clubs rated David McGoldrick. We don't rate Callum Robinson. We didn't rate Paul Coutts. You're right it's a simplistic way of looking at things, and so it isn't how you should look at things.

Burke is streets ahead of Robinson pace wise. I completely agree, having only seen clips, that his finishing and passing looks as though it can leave a lot to be desired. But I think after a year in the Premier League Wilder is minded to think that Robinson doesn't have the physical attributes to excel in the Premier League as a forward in our system. He's not strong enough, not quick or fast enough and doesn't put himself about enough. The rest of our strikers have at least one of those things. And he reckons Oli Burke does too. And having watched him, I agree. It's a completely different matter combining that with actual skill and ability, but I think Wilder reckons he could be a low risk gamble, particularly if he's getting Burke plus money for Robinson.

Got to say i disagree, the second robbo went to west brom all the fickle fans started saying hes got an extra yard of pace, bring him back, he looks rapid now etc (exactly the same speed as before). Burke looks no quicker than robbo and has less technical ability and is less proven. Hes not been good enough for the team robbo played in every week last season. Thats the bottom line. In every way he is a downgrade. He has potential because he can run fast. Matty done could run fast.

I think people are unfair on robbo, he does put himself about, pretty sure during the chelsea game they thought his GPS had broken as he had covered so much ground.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Got to say i disagree, the second robbo went to west brom all the fickle fans started saying hes got an extra yard of pace, bring him back, he looks rapid now etc (exactly the same speed as before). Burke looks no quicker than robbo and has less technical ability and is less proven. Hes not been good enough for the team robbo played in every week last season. Thats the bottom line. In every way he is a downgrade. He has potential because he can run fast. Matty done could run fast.

I think people are unfair on robbo, he does put himself about, pretty sure during the chelsea game they thought his GPS had broken as he had covered so much ground.

Who are all these fickle fans that you know ? Names please.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

we dont know burkes ability as much as West Brom who have had both at their disposal, loaned 1 out and want to buy the other. Wilder hasnt got 100% success rate with his transfers either. His technical ability is pretty poor you can tell by watching his vids. A very heavy touch and lots of pace. Not a good combo. The amount of times in his highlights he ran the ball out of play and these are his best bits. None of the fans of other teams rate him either. Personally i rate robbo and think he would be more of a success than burke would ever be (In my opinion).

He played 31 games in La Liga last season and Alaves wanted him to stay. How do you assess him on last season?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Burke is an interesting one. Has talent, pace (he looks quicker then most of our existing first teamers) and runs at defenders through the middle or down the wing. Maybe Wilder can fashion him into the player he maybe should become (when he was back at Forest, he looked exceptional at times).

 

[Luke1993]

Got to say i disagree, the second robbo went to west brom all the fickle fans started saying hes got an extra yard of pace, bring him back, he looks rapid now etc (exactly the same speed as before). Burke looks no quicker than robbo and has less technical ability and is less proven. Hes not been good enough for the team robbo played in every week last season. Thats the bottom line. In every way he is a downgrade. He has potential because he can run fast. Matty done could run fast.

I think people are unfair on robbo, he does put himself about, pretty sure during the chelsea game they thought his GPS had broken as he had covered so much ground.

He covers a lot of ground not doing very much, especially when he 'closes down' defenders.

 

[Luke1993]

He played 31 games in La Liga last season and Alaves wanted him to stay. How do you assess him on last season?

He played a fair amount at Rwb too I believe.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Got to say i disagree, the second robbo went to west brom all the fickle fans started saying hes got an extra yard of pace, bring him back, he looks rapid now etc (exactly the same speed as before). Burke looks no quicker than robbo and has less technical ability and is less proven. Hes not been good enough for the team robbo played in every week last season. Thats the bottom line. In every way he is a downgrade. He has potential because he can run fast. Matty done could run fast.

I think people are unfair on robbo, he does put himself about, pretty sure during the chelsea game they thought his GPS had broken as he had covered so much ground.

I started replying to this but then I realised I disagreed with so many things you said it wasn’t worth it.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

This fast Burke chap will have to slow down,to let the others in the team catch up with him,to give him an option when he is in a dead end.

Trenton Wigurn was fast.

 

[BrisBlade]

Sometimes it clicks for a player at a club and sometimes it doesn't. Tactics, personality, whatever. I rate Robbo, but for whatever reason it didn't click for him here last season. Burke seems to be rated by some clubs he's played for (Alaves and Fotest), but not others (WBA, Celtic). If this deal happens both could end up somewhere it works out for them... Or not! The difference is WBA have seen Robbo can do a job for them first hand and we're taking a punt. I don't mind that if we get some money in the deal.

 

[SUFCinks]

Who are all these fickle fans that you know ? Names please.

you can scroll through the robbo thread from jan and find yourself.

 

[SUFCinks]

He played 31 games in La Liga last season and Alaves wanted him to stay. How do you assess him on last season?

West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.

 

[andy m]

West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.

Since when has the Championship been superior to La Liga?

 

[Booker4]

But we do. RWB and LWB.

True, I meant we don't play with wingers, which as far as width is concerned would leave Burke to play in the RWB position, but it seems he's far more likely to play up top as one of the two forwards. If Wilder can get the best out of Burke, we'll have a great player on our hands.

 

[Le Cynique]

Since when has the Championship been superior to La Liga?

Since HMS Piss The League were promoted into it from League One

 

[Niceguyeddie]

West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.

Maybe you should let Wilder know about this simple concept before he signs a player he doesn't realise is shit

 

[EddieColquhoun]

West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.

So your assessment is based on stats and you didn't watch any of his 31 La Liga appearances.

 

[Chief_Froley]

West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.

Serge Gnabry didn't get into West Brom's squad either but I still watched him lift the Champions League the other day.

 

[idleurchin]

True, I meant we don't play with wingers, which as far as width is concerned would leave Burke to play in the RWB position, but it seems he's far more likely to play up top as one of the two forwards. If Wilder can get the best out of Burke, we'll have a great player on our hands.

I was chatting with a WBA fan about him playing as a RWB. He said that was where Alaves played him when he was on loan there.

Also said it seemed to work well in terms of his attacking contribution, but that there’s plenty of work to do on the defensive side of things.

Could he be coached into becoming an alternative to Baldock?

 

[RowTBlade10]

We can argue til were blue in the face about who is good enough and who is not. However, CWAK have more than earned their right to be trusted on who they bring through the door. Whoever pulls on our illustrious red and white stripes deserve our full support!

Oliver Burke is still only 23 and has plenty of time to for Wilder and co to mould him to our way of playing.

Lets just relax a bit, who are we to say who is good enough and who is not.

Stay stafe all and UTB!!

 

[SufcBilly]

I was chatting with a WBA fan about him playing as a RWB. He said that was where Alaves played him when he was on loan there.

Also said it seemed to work well in terms of his attacking contribution, but that there’s plenty of work to do on the defensive side of things.

Could he be coached into becoming an alternative to Baldock?

No wilder wants him upfront apparently