Warnocks swipe at McCabe

[beightonblade]

the best time i've seen were when John Harris was in charge............... not a pot to piss in but the best Blades team i'm ever likely to see.

 

[Bladesway]

We beat Orient 6-3 in 1983/84 I believe.

FFS I pen that and thats the best you can do? Your right, but we beat Chester 6-1 and Huddersfield 5-1 in the same season. I remember Deane & Agana both scoring Hat-Tricks in one game (Chester I think). That do you?

 

[cooperblade]

Bassett had something Warnock will never have, class

He also said we should merge with wednesday...

 

[JohnDenver]

Spot on. Fair enough if people preferred Bassett and his record was unbelievable but wasn't it easier to recruit and retain players in those days? Not sure, I just believe it was easier to stay up, more of a level playing field.

Interesting point that. The league seems to be ever more stratified by degrees of financial clout these days. I can't prove anything with stats but when I was a kid Norwich City challenged for the title. Seems a different game now.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Are you familiar with the Jante Law over there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law

Does it explain why some people, even Blades, seemed to hate Warnock?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Are you familiar with the Jante Law over there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law

Does it explain why some people, even Blades, seemed to hate Warnock?

And i though it was just the Brits who sneered at success

 

[JohnDenver]

Are you familiar with the Jante Law over there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law

Does it explain why some people, even Blades, seemed to hate Warnock?

"a pattern of group behaviour towards individuals within Scandinavian communities, which negatively portrays and criticizes success and achievement as unworthy and inappropriate."

I doubt that. Sheffielders can be an insular lot, but Warnock is genuinely footballing Marmite. I don't like a lot of things about him except his success with the Blades.

But maybe I'm unusual?

 

[Silent Blade]

Is that including walking round like a bear with a sore arse in the run up to the Wigan game due to his contract not being renewed up to that point.

Whilst 33,000 Blades spent all week fretting about that Wigan game, Warnock was fretting about his contract. What a Blades eh?

Spot on, Brownie. I cannot stand players or managers who think they are bigger than the club

 

[Fiery Blade]

Warnock was out for himself- full stop. Always has been always will be
He was the man that blamed everything and everybody for failure except himself.
Yes he did well for the Blades he did better for Mr Warnock
And - he was the man that passed these attributes on to a certain Mr Blackwell......................................................enough said!

 

[Silent Blade]

Other managers was what I said.
Probably another one for Dazzler but I doubt any other manager in United's history had seven years to get us promoted.
And if the suggestion you were making was that Warnock had to struggle along with no money for most of the time, it's entirely relevant that Bassett had to do so all of the time.
We had to raise money from a raffle to acquire one player and he put up his own collateral to acquire another.
That's before you start on what was going on in the boardroom.

Teddy Davison- appointed in 1932 when we were in 1st division. Relegation in 1934. Promotion in 1939. Relegation in 1949. Went to Chesterfield in 1952

Reg Freeman- appointed in 1952. won the 2nd division championship in his first season. Died in 1955

John Harris- appointed in 1959. Promotion in 1961. Relegation in 1968 then went "upstairs" for a season before returning after Arthur Rowley's sacking. Promotion in 1971. "went upstairs" (sort of) in Dec 1973

Dave Bassett- appointed in Jan 1988. Relegation to 3rd division in same season. Promotion in 1989 and brought us back to top flight in 1990. Relegation in 1994

 

[Vancouver]

Deane, Agana, Bryson, Paul Wood, Hodges, Franz Carr, Dane Whitehouse and who can forget some of the strikes from Mike Zico Lake? He also got Nathan Blake from Cardiff for buttons. It was often hurley burley up and at em sort of stuff but there was always entertainment around the corner. It was only really after Deane was sold from under DB's feet that things went tits up.

I got goosebumps reading those player names; those were the days.

 

[Micalijo]

He also said we should merge with wednesday...

He is also very likely to call us 'Sheffield' - not that it's a big deal but it pisses me off!.

 

[Micalijo]

FFS I pen that and thats the best you can do? Your right, but we beat Chester 6-1 and Huddersfield 5-1 in the same season. I remember Deane & Agana both scoring Hat-Tricks in one game (Chester I think). That do you?

Sorry, genuinely didn't mean to come across as a know it all. Good post yours and brought back some great memories. Remember those games well, great stuff.

 

[shorehamview]

Warnock doesn't come remotely close to Bassett either as a man or a manager.

Significantly, Bassett ended up using his own money to bring players into United, won two successive promotions and kept United in the top flight for four years.
Warnock not in the same class as a man or manager.

SV in controversial "lenners is correct" shocker!!

Lenners is bang on about the difference between Bassett and Warnock. Warnock managed to get us up having spent money on such luminaries as Akinbiyi and Horsefield, and also got through players like nobody's business. He fell out with a fair few - Barry Hayles and Danny Cullip spring to mind. Bassett assembled a squad of chancers and makeweights and formed them into a decent side. And can you imagine Warnock spending his own money to finance a transfer? Not a cat in hell's chance of that happening.

 

[lenners]

SV in controversial "lenners is correct" shocker!!

Lenners is bang on about the difference between Bassett and Warnock. Warnock managed to get us up having spent money on such luminaries as Akinbiyi and Horsefield, and also got through players like nobody's business. He fell out with a fair few - Barry Hayles and Danny Cullip spring to mind. Bassett assembled a squad of chancers and makeweights and formed them into a decent side. And can you imagine Warnock spending his own money to finance a transfer? Not a cat in hell's chance of that happening.

Just see it as a start SV, just a start...

 

[lenners]

Teddy Davison- appointed in 1932 when we were in 1st division. Relegation in 1934. Promotion in 1939. Relegation in 1949. Went to Chesterfield in 1952

Reg Freeman- appointed in 1952. won the 2nd division championship in his first season. Died in 1955

John Harris- appointed in 1959. Promotion in 1961. Relegation in 1968 then went "upstairs" for a season before returning after Arthur Rowley's sacking. Promotion in 1971. "went upstairs" (sort of) in Dec 1973

Dave Bassett- appointed in Jan 1988. Relegation to 3rd division in same season. Promotion in 1989 and brought us back to top flight in 1990. Relegation in 1994

Thanks for that Silent - they all got promotion quicker than Warnock though Davision ran him close. Mind you, it looks like he also managed us in the top flight for several seasons.
Also interesting to see the lengthy spells in the top flight compared to one in the last 17 or five in 35.
Where did that heritage go?

 

[shorehamview]

I remember them when they're written down but I guess it's the fact they ultimately meant nothing which means they fade really easily.

They all ultimately mean nothing. How many trophies did we win under Warnock or Bassett? Trophies = FA and League cups, First/Prem title, European title? None.

Just see it as a start SV, just a start...

Don't hold your breath for many more. I agree with a broken watch twice a day.

 

[super_pig]

TBF warnock rescued the soul of the club and gave us some good times..BUT
i always felt embarassed by his constant moaning and verbal assaults on referees which i thought showed a lack of class and more importantly made us a hate club among the football official community.. this above anything else meant that we never got a decision (and up until recently this has continued) and it was a contributing factor in us being relegated IMO. because the FA wanted us down.