Warnocks swipe at McCabe

[Houso]

I wouldn't disagree with much of that WB, but Neil doesn't help with his regular swipes at the club these days and his lack of understanding of how we think up here.

That said; and while I accept it's a tiny point, I would have to disagree on the subs point. Warnock was so stubborn and driven by his ego, that it would take him forever to get a sub on despite the obvious need for one. It cost us in many important matches.

I think that's close to Neil's biggest failing too. He managed to get us up over the course of the season and we had a few matches left in which we could manage to get the final points we needed. Had that been ONE match, I think we'd have never reached the Premier. His decision-making when we had a big match to win always went off at the deep end. We should have stayed up that season, and while kudos is deserved for how close we got, we had so many chances to make it safe that it was this that led to the chop.

Neil's negativity and big match nerves lost him the job I'm afraid.

 

[Micalijo]

Good stuff from Warnock - a very, very good manager.

When another SUFC manager has got 90 plus points followed by at least 38 in Premier we can have a more sensible debate about it.

WHU cheated and he did enough. His treatment from our now joke of a chairman was and remains a total disgrace and highlights how little McCabe knows about football.

 

[Houso]

He didn't do enough. We got relegated when we could have survived.

And if Warnock was here now, you'd want him out. The grass is ALWAYS greener with a section of our support.

 

[Eckingtonian]

Warnock also brought a stigma to this club that to some extent still exists today.Barring Leeds we became the most hated club in football.His continual rants and moaning at referees became embarrassing.Him and Kenny should be put in a rowing boat and cast off into the Thames.Greedy averice bastards the pair of em they deserve each other.

 

[chipsncake]

Good stuff from Warnock - a very, very good manager.

When another SUFC manager has got 90 plus points followed by at least 38 in Premier we can have a more sensible debate about it.

WHU cheated and he did enough. His treatment from our now joke of a chairman was and remains a total disgrace and highlights how little McCabe knows about football.

True Warnock did enough to keep us up that year but his transfer dealings and away tactics were signs of very poor management and if he had shown a bit more nouse we would have been half way up the table.

 

[bartman]

Good stuff from Warnock - a very, very good manager.

When another SUFC manager has got 90 plus points followed by at least 38 in Premier we can have a more sensible debate about it.

WHU cheated and he did enough. His treatment from our now joke of a chairman was and remains a total disgrace and highlights how little McCabe knows about football.

Why is he a joke and a total disgrace? What makes you think McCabe knows nothing about football.? Any facts to back this up or are you generalising ?

 

[lenners]

Good stuff from Warnock - a very, very good manager.

When another SUFC manager has got 90 plus points followed by at least 38 in Premier we can have a more sensible debate about it.

WHU cheated and he did enough. His treatment from our now joke of a chairman was and remains a total disgrace and highlights how little McCabe knows about football.

Shame Dazzler's not around but I wouldn't be surprised if Warnock is the only manager in our history to have taken us up to the top flight and straight back down again.

 

[lenners]

Significantly, i have made no attempt to compare the two.

Significantly if you want to consider a manager's performance, it's only possible to do it in comparison with other managers' performances.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Only possible? You're saying the only yardstick by which Warnock should be judged is in comparison with Bassett? Seems a flawed benchmark to me sonny jim.

 

[Bladesway]

Warnock doesn't come remotely close to Bassett either as a man or a manager.

On the money again Lennington. Warnock always achieved because of Warnock. When it went wrong it was because of someone else. Warnock apparently got us promoted, yet it wasn't him that got us relegated.

Bassett offered his resignation in his first season when we got relegated, even though he hadn't been there most of that season. The man had class and humility. Bassett succeeded keeping a team of no marks in the top flight and achieved our highest ever league position in almost 40 years. That in spite of transfer embargos, a chairman trying to rip the club apart and a transexual trying to buy the club at one point. Warnock managed a team that had stability and a chairman who was at the time supportive to him and his needs. It wasn't McCabe that bought Nade, Seck and that lot was it?

If Warnock woke up with a terminally bleeding arsehole tomorrow morning I would laugh until a little bit of wee came out. He should have been a legend at the Lane but has made himself an utter laughing stock. He is no Blade.

 

[lenners]

Only possible? You're saying the only yardstick by which Warnock should be judged is in comparison with Bassett? Seems a flawed benchmark to me sonny jim.

Other managers was what I said.
Probably another one for Dazzler but I doubt any other manager in United's history had seven years to get us promoted.
And if the suggestion you were making was that Warnock had to struggle along with no money for most of the time, it's entirely relevant that Bassett had to do so all of the time.
We had to raise money from a raffle to acquire one player and he put up his own collateral to acquire another.
That's before you start on what was going on in the boardroom.

 

[syd]

Warnock was by far the best manager weve had at our club in years, don't forget Derek Geary 50k there cant be surely 1 blades fan who didnt like Del Boy, he also brought through a few good youngsters during his time Jags, Tonge, Monty.
Robson were shit he just signed big names big wages, and couldnt make it work.
Blackwell took a brilliant squad, sold the quality signed the shit and now were paying for it.
hopefully Gary Speed can bring back the days we enjoyed under Warnock.

WERE NOT A PREMIERSHIP CLUB AND NEVER WILL BE WHILST WE HAVE NOT GOT A BIG INVESTOR WILLING TO CHUCK 30-40 MILLION AT THE TEAM.

Dont fancy being a West Brom, must surely get boring.

 

[bartman]

Warnock was by far the best manager weve had at our club in years, don't forget Derek Geary 50k there cant be surely 1 blades fan who didnt like Del Boy, he also brought through a few good youngsters during his time Jags, Tonge, Monty.
Robson were shit he just signed big names big wages, and couldnt make it work.
Blackwell took a brilliant squad, sold the quality signed the shit and now were paying for it.
hopefully Gary Speed can bring back the days we enjoyed under Warnock.

WERE NOT A PREMIERSHIP CLUB AND NEVER WILL BE WHILST WE HAVE NOT GOT A BIG INVESTOR WILLING TO CHUCK 30-40 MILLION AT THE TEAM.

Dont fancy being a West Brom, must surely get boring.

You give me Geary,I give you Darren Bullock....all because he bought a player some fans liked doesn't make him a good manager......we can all quote good players NW bought but we can name more players he bought that we garbage...plus one or two he bought and barely played (Horsfield,Akinbiyi,Shelton,Fathi=£6million plus wasted). When it came to the crunch,in the big games(play off final and Wigan)he picked the wrong team and tactics to win the games

Warnock best manager in years ?He was the only manager we had for most of the last 10 years so that wouldn't be hard .

 

[Kenilworth]

Where is Dazzler?

Shame Dazzler's not around but I wouldn't be surprised if Warnock is the only manager in our history to have taken us up to the top flight and straight back down again.

Where is Dazzler, Lenners?
I haven't seen him post for ages but I am not that frequent a user in the closed season.
Was there a falling out with the administrators?

Always liked Dazzler's posts even if i didn't always agree with some of the non factual ones.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Other managers was what I said.
Probably another one for Dazzler but I doubt any other manager in United's history had seven years to get us promoted.
And if the suggestion you were making was that Warnock had to struggle along with no money for most of the time, it's entirely relevant that Bassett had to do so all of the time.
We had to raise money from a raffle to acquire one player and he put up his own collateral to acquire another.
That's before you start on what was going on in the boardroom.

Good points. I hated the style of football under Bassett, but accepted that to a degree it was a "needs must" situation. There is no doubting that he turned the club around under what were awful circumstances in the boardroom. The revelation that DB had to fund the transfer of Brian Gayle from his own pocket was one of my most embarrassing moments as a Blade. Also, from personal dealings with him, and the views of many others I know both inside & outside football, he is a decent, very highly regarded man.

Whereas Warnock is widely regarded as a loathesome individual, and for good reason. We did become hated under him, and I really resented him deeply for that.

 

[Kenilworth]

Dont fancy being a West Brom, must surely get boring.

WHAT?
I wouldn't mind having some of that!

Promotion every other season, playing good football and being noted for doing so, not pissing all the money away so the club spends over a decade restructuring to have another go. Yes please the lot of it.

I could take the Rele's given a track record of bouncing back with a vengence.
I reckon the Baggies fans have had a pretty good roller coaster over the last couple opf decades.
Rather that than being a fan of Bolton, Blackburn or a Wigan fan - it's like the league of nations at Wigan at the moment - no identity at all.

 

[Sensiblade]

Warnock was by far the best manager weve had at our club in years, don't forget Derek Geary 50k there cant be surely 1 blades fan who didnt like Del Boy, he also brought through a few good youngsters during his time Jags, Tonge, Monty.

I see your Del Geary 50k and raise you Simon Tracey 7.5k

 

[Nick Jansky]

WHAT?
I wouldn't mind having some of that!

Promotion every other season, playing good football and being noted for doing so, not pissing all the money away so the club spends over a decade restructuring to have another go. Yes please the lot of it.

I could take the Rele's given a track record of bouncing back with a vengence.
I reckon the Baggies fans have had a pretty good roller coaster over the last couple opf decades.
Rather that than being a fan of Bolton, Blackburn or a Wigan fan - it's like the league of nations at Wigan at the moment - no identity at all.

West Brom have done it playing some great football as well, and seemingly without risking their financial stability. I'd take it, any day.

 

[Kenilworth]

Good points. I hated the style of football under Bassett, but accepted that to a degree it was a "needs must" situation.

What with Deane and Agana and fast wing play?

Battling against the odds and overcoming far better quality opposition on a regular basis.
The style was a necessity to counter the limitations of the players he had at his disposal.
Not sure he could have changed if he had wads of cash but Bassett gave us some of the best memories for decades.

 

[Nick Jansky]

What with Deane and Agana and fast wing play?

Battling against the odds and overcoming far better quality opposition on a regular basis.
The style was a necessity to counter the limitations of the players he had at his disposal.
Not sure he could have changed if he had wads of cash but Bassett gave us some of the best memories for decades.

I hear what you are saying, but it wasn't for me. I was brought up watching the Currie & Woodward team, and it was so far away from every principle I have ever held about how football should be played that I couldn't identify with it at all. After the 2 promotions I don't have too many great memories. Maybe the game against Forest that brought us our first win, but after that I'm struggling. Away matches tended to be horrible, too.

 

[lenners]

I hear what you are saying, but it wasn't for me. I was brought up watching the Currie & Woodward team, and it was so far away from every principle I have ever held about how football should be played that I couldn't identify with it at all. After the 2 promotions I don't have too many great memories. Maybe the game against Forest that brought us our first win, but after that I'm struggling. Away matches tended to be horrible, too.

Putting six past Spurs, a brilliant sunny day at QPR and Sir Bob, beating Man U on the way to Wembley, Deane scoring from near the half way line against Liverpool, Johnny (back) Gannon lashing one in at Forest, sending Forest down in another game in Clough's last match, Bradshaw scoring and jumping into the kop when we beat Man U in the league... and that's just off the top.
For me it's the other way round. With Warnock's season I remember the Arsenal home match and West Ham in the sunshine as stand out memories but not much else.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Putting six past Spurs, a brilliant sunny day at QPR and Sir Bob, beating Man U on the way to Wembley, Deane scoring from near the half way line against Liverpool, Johnny (back) Gannon lashing one in at Forest, sending Forest down in another game in Clough's last match, Bradshaw scoring and jumping into the kop when we beat Man U in the league... and that's just off the top.
For me it's the other way round. With Warnock's season I remember the Arsenal home match and West Ham in the sunshine as stand out memories but not much else.

Of course, from the time he was there, there were bound to be some great memories. Mike "Zico" Lake springs to mind as well.

Don't get me wrong, I am eternally grateful for what he did for the club, and dread to think what might have happened if he hadn't taken over when he did, but I never got on with the football. For me, the signing of Flo said it all.

But the over riding point is that he did more for the club than Warnock ever did.

 

[Bladesway]

Jansky, as much as I agree with your sentiment I give you a 2-1 win at Liverpool, a 5-3 (I think away at forest) 5-2 (I think) at Southampton and who can forget the famous pork stuffing that night at the sty? First day victory over Man U with the first ever Premier League goal scored.

There was the 3-2 against Forest you mention but on our way up who can forget 5-2 at Leicester? 6-3 against Orient and that entire season in division 3 when we pretty much swept all before us.

3-0 that first game in the 2nd Divison away at West Brom when we thought we were going to get humped and christ knows how many other games in that season when we got promoted. We stuttered and spluttered at times towards the end but when you think the players we cobbled together and the teams we put out Bassett was an absolute master. Some of the players he brought through were genuinely exciting as well.

Deane, Agana, Bryson, Paul Wood, Hodges, Franz Carr, Dane Whitehouse and who can forget some of the strikes from Mike Zico Lake? He also got Nathan Blake from Cardiff for buttons. It was often hurley burley up and at em sort of stuff but there was always entertainment around the corner. It was only really after Deane was sold from under DB's feet that things went tits up.

 

[Deadbat]

Bassett's style

A lot is made of Bassett's so called style but in my time as watching United I have never really seen a proper footballing side (save for half a season of Howard Kendall when he took over from Bassett - the subsequent season when we reached the playoff final we did not play the same style).

Bassett's teams for me were exciting to watch. We had two wingers (nearly always), two superb strikers (until Agana got injured and was rightly sold) and played direct but fast football. We created tons of chances and there was nearly always soemthing happening. Bassett also did it on a shoestring although when he had money he didn't always spend it wisely (Mark Morris, Brian Marwood etc spring to mind).

I liked going to see that side and from 88-93 is easily my best time as a Blade. I enjoyed the 02/03 triple assault and also the prmotion and brief Prem period but never in my time as a Blade will I see us beating all the top sides Man Utd, Liverpool etc and be as proud of a Blades team as that Bassett era.

It is a shame that Warnock is forever sounding off about his time at the Lane and his beefs with McCabe. Warnock for the most part did a great job and has to be considered a success. I think he made mistakes in the prem season and in big games but he did take us to such events/stage when many other managers have not got close. Ultimately we went down on goal difference. We should have got enough points but we didn't. Margins were so slim though.

I honestly feel if we had stayed up we would have done 'a Stoke' and consolidated and maybe would still be there now.

For me Bassett was a really decent bloke and a great manager
Warnock was a very good manager (and still is) but needs to remember the good times at the Lane and stop beign so biiter. He was at Bury before coming to the Lane and as he was over 50. Aside from the Chelsea thing when he was allegedly offered the job he was heading into obscurity in the lower leagues for the final elements of his career. He actually did a lot for the club and helped turn things round but to take credit for building of the academy and stadium improvements etc is a bit much.

 

[Fiery Blade]

A lot is made of Bassett's so called style but in my time as watching United I have never really seen a proper footballing side (save for half a season of Howard Kendall when he took over from Bassett - the subsequent season when we reached the playoff final we did not play the same style).

Bassett's teams for me were exciting to watch. We had two wingers (nearly always), two superb strikers (until Agana got injured and was rightly sold) and played direct but fast football. We created tons of chances and there was nearly always soemthing happening. Bassett also did it on a shoestring although when he had money he didn't always spend it wisely (Mark Morris, Brian Marwood etc spring to mind).

I liked going to see that side and from 88-93 is easily my best time as a Blade. I enjoyed the 02/03 triple assault and also the prmotion and brief Prem period but never in my time as a Blade will I see us beating all the top sides Man Utd, Liverpool etc and be as proud of a Blades team as that Bassett era.

It is a shame that Warnock is forever sounding off about his time at the Lane and his beefs with McCabe. Warnock for the most part did a great job and has to be considered a success. I think he made mistakes in the prem season and in big games but he did take us to such events/stage when many other managers have not got close. Ultimately we went down on goal difference. We should have got enough points but we didn't. Margins were so slim though.

I honestly feel if we had stayed up we would have done 'a Stoke' and consolidated and maybe would still be there now.

For me Bassett was a really decent bloke and a great manager
Warnock was a very good manager (and still is) but needs to remember the good times at the Lane and stop beign so biiter. He was at Bury before coming to the Lane and as he was over 50. Aside from the Chelsea thing when he was allegedly offered the job he was heading into obscurity in the lower leagues for the final elements of his career. He actually did a lot for the club and helped turn things round but to take credit for building of the academy and stadium improvements etc is a bit much.

FIRST CLASS POST DEADBAT !
Fully Agree with your sentiments
For me Bassett was far and away the best manager we have had, you went to the game not knowing what to expect but he played it right used the best of what he had and didn't try to be anything he wasn't. Bassett Top Bloke Top Manager!!

 

[cooperblade]

For me it's the other way round. With Warnock's season I remember the Arsenal home match and West Ham in the sunshine as stand out memories but not much else.

Jags winner v Boro, Gillespie's late volley against Charlton, winning in front of 50,000 at St James, Stead's equaliser at the Valley and, one of my personal favourites, your 'heroes' post after the Spurs game.

Some absolutely fantastic memories from the 06/07 season. For 36 games, it was right up there with the best ever seasons for me.

 

[Micalijo]

Jansky, as much as I agree with your sentiment I give you a 2-1 win at Liverpool, a 5-3 (I think away at forest) 5-2 (I think) at Southampton and who can forget the famous pork stuffing that night at the sty? First day victory over Man U with the first ever Premier League goal scored.

There was the 3-2 against Forest you mention but on our way up who can forget 5-2 at Leicester? 6-3 against Orient and that entire season in division 3 when we pretty much swept all before us.

3-0 that first game in the 2nd Divison away at West Brom when we thought we were going to get humped and christ knows how many other games in that season when we got promoted. We stuttered and spluttered at times towards the end but when you think the players we cobbled together and the teams we put out Bassett was an absolute master. Some of the players he brought through were genuinely exciting as well.

Deane, Agana, Bryson, Paul Wood, Hodges, Franz Carr, Dane Whitehouse and who can forget some of the strikes from Mike Zico Lake? He also got Nathan Blake from Cardiff for buttons. It was often hurley burley up and at em sort of stuff but there was always entertainment around the corner. It was only really after Deane was sold from under DB's feet that things went tits up.

We beat Orient 6-3 in 1983/84 I believe.

 

[Robbie]

He spent over £15million in transfer fees in 12 months up to that January transfer window. If you include the wages,it would appear he was backed fully by the club.

£13.6 million if you include both January transfer windows.

Warnock re-built this club, and anyone who thinks he did more damage than good is clearly deluded.

Yes there are things he could have improved on, but I'm more thankful he was our manager for the time than not.

 

[Micalijo]

£13.6 million if you include both January transfer windows.

Warnock re-built this club, and anyone who thinks he did more damage than good is clearly deluded.

Yes there are things he could have improved on, but I'm more thankful he was our manager for the time than not.

Spot on. Fair enough if people preferred Bassett and his record was unbelievable but wasn't it easier to recruit and retain players in those days? Not sure, I just believe it was easier to stay up, more of a level playing field. Stats may prove me wrong for promoted clubs in late 80's and early 90's before Premiership?

The stick Warnock is getting is unbelievable. Houso's comment that Warnock got us promoted throughout the course of the season and would have blown it if it came down to one game is utterly beyond my comprehension - as if it is a problem getting off to a good start.

 

[lenners]

Jags winner v Boro, Gillespie's late volley against Charlton, winning in front of 50,000 at St James, Stead's equaliser at the Valley and, one of my personal favourites, your 'heroes' post after the Spurs game.

Some absolutely fantastic memories from the 06/07 season. For 36 games, it was right up there with the best ever seasons for me.

I remember them when they're written down but I guess it's the fact they ultimately meant nothing which means they fade really easily.