let's not get carried away

[Ollessendro]

I just don't understand the negativity ollie.

You've said yourself that Gary Speed has got a job on with the squad he's been left, so why the constant barrage of negativity? We won, although judging by the highlights it was a bit lucky as clearly there is some defensive work to be done.

But we won, Speed has his first win, and we're off the bottom. Happy days.

The so called 'sunshie band' are a bunch of negative fookers. We have nothing better to do than moan and groan. Don't you see that we'll take the negative out of every situation?

Resorting to name calling seems a little over the top. This is an internet forum. Being totally honest I disagree with a lot of what Olle said in that post and feel that it is just an excuse for a moan, which is almost self-confessed by his final paragraph....and I found that quite amusing to be fair as it was meant to be take in a light hearted fashion

People are entitled to their opinion whether we agree or not and calling someone a twat for it is a little strong....sorry just my opinion. Ive said it in the past, if you dont like what someone has posted just ignore it and move on.

People who start negative threads open theirselves up to abuse I will admit that, but in this case and many others....its obvious thats what it was started for (to get a reaction). All abuse does is show the person that they have succeeded. So 1-0 Olle really im afraid

You're smarter than the average bear SC. But it is not about scoring points over the clappers. It's about telling things the way they are. If I have to take personal abuse from posters for stating what no one else wants to face up to then so be it. That said everyone complained Big Mart was thrown off the forum for similar comments (although repeatedly).

Preston were cack, our front three were all over the show, and we were indeed lucky to get the win. But considering the utter bobbins we've seen at the start of this season and also at the end of the last one then can I please get carried away just for a few minutes? I'm not talking about running the length of The Moor with my pants on my head, but a saunter home with a spring in my step isn't too much to ask, is it?

Mate you can clap away all you like. I posted the thread last night (2 days after the game) and hence I didn't damper anyone's walk (or skip) home. But in the cold light of day I am stating that we are in really bad shape and that the 'clappers' shouldn't get too carried away. It's for their own good, as they'll only be upset when we are stuck in a relegation scrap or finish mid table (at best).

I wish someone would carry ollie away...

All these 'home truths', frankly I dont care. We all know we are still a long way away from the finished item. Stop stressing and let the manager get on with it. He's done OK in 2 weeks.

Whatever happened to being more positive, or can't you help yourself..?

Hiya Dunc. Nice of you to contribute to the thread, although without any substance what so ever. Still I thought that you were ignoring threads started by thre 'sunshine band', so I'm honoured that you've responded.

As for being positive, well when on earth did I agree to that? It's difficult for me to be positve after the shite that we've been served up in the first 4 games.

I actually agree that Speed has done ok in 2 weeks. It's encouraging that he's got them to try and play a bit of football. HOWEVER, with current personnel it's like trying to get Stephen Hawkins to run a marathon. We have Britton sitting in front of the back 4 with Ertl and Monty as our attacking midfielders. There is no wonder we didn't have a shot on target for over an hour.

There's been some interesting discussion (from the likes of Swiss, Fiery and Steel City) around the team and some fans can see that we are drastically short. We have no width, no pace up front, no attacki ng options in midfield, a complete lack of creativity and no pace throughout the side. Still, I get a load of stick for pointing these things out. Dunc doesn't care about the fact that we are shit, because Speed is making positve steps. I personally am very worried that my team is so awful. We need extra personnel, pure and simple.

 

[shorehamview]

....Matt you can clap away all you like. I posted the thread last night (2 days after the game) and hence I didn't damper anyone's walk (or skip) home....

I've been called a lot of names in the past but that's the first time I've been called Matt. 10/10 for originality, but it's not very funny. It's not even rude, unless you have a phobia of being called Matt.

 

[Ollessendro]

20 mins to go to transfer deadline and it is pretty clear that we are not going to sign anyone. Will we hear the same old excuses (we tried, but .... it was those pesky agents ...... there's always the loan window) or will the spinsters not even bother commenting this year.

Speed has already stated that he is 'satisfied' with the squad and 'it would not be the end of the world if we didn't get anyone one in'. I'm willing to give you time to turn things around Gary, but you're wrong on this one pal. News flash mr Speed .... we're shit and going nowhere (upwards) in a flash.

I got slated for starting this thread, but we are miles away from being anything like promotion candidates. We have a squad of barely 20 of which several are not good enough (France, Taylor) and several are crocks (Hendo and Willo). We have 3 defensive midfielders and the only attacking midfielder is mre of a headless chicken than the least talented defensive midfielder. Up front is embarassing with all 4 forward not looking like they'd score in a brothel. I've been a big critic of Henderson, but now I'm hoping he'll be back soon!? The irony is that our defence, which was looking incredibly shabby a few weeks ago, looks like our best area. That doesn't say much other than what a shambles Blackwell left.

We're crying out for some pace and creativity. We need at least one winger, an attacking midfielder (who can pass forwards) and a pacey striker. What do we get? Nothing, nada, rien, niente! Let's juts keep clapping away and hope that Gary Speed can infact walk on water or that he can turn those 5 loafs and 2 fishes (as much as our chairman will currently provide) into enough to feed thousands. If Speed gets that rabble playing then he wants knighting!!??

 

[davidpinder]

20 mins to go to transfer deadline and it is pretty clear that we are not going to sign anyone. Will we hear the same old excuses (we tried, but .... it was those pesky agents ...... there's always the loan window) or will the spinsters not even bother commenting this year.

Speed has already stated that he is 'satisfied' with the squad and 'it would not be the end of the world if we didn't get anyone one in'. I'm willing to give you time to turn things around Gary, but you're wrong on this one pal. News flash mr Speed .... we're shit and going nowhere (upwards) in a flash.

I got slated for starting this thread, but we are miles away from being anything like promotion candidates. We have a squad of barely 20 of which several are not good enough (France, Taylor) and several are crocks (Hendo and Willo). We have 3 defensive midfielders and the only attacking midfielder is mre of a headless chicken than the least talented defensive midfielder. Up front is embarassing with all 4 forward not looking like they'd score in a brothel. I've been a big critic of Henderson, but now I'm hoping he'll be back soon!? The irony is that our defence, which was looking incredibly shabby a few weeks ago, looks like our best area. That doesn't say much other than what a shambles Blackwell left.

We're crying out for some pace and creativity. We need at least one winger, an attacking midfielder (who can pass forwards) and a pacey striker. What do we get? Nothing, nada, rien, niente! Let's juts keep clapping away and hope that Gary Speed can infact walk on water or that he can turn those 5 loafs and 2 fishes (as much as our chairman will currently provide) into enough to feed thousands. If Speed gets that rabble playing then he wants knighting!!??

100% agree with that. Were skint and the board need to come out and say it, we have no player assets left to sell its worrying times down at BDTBL.

 

[Trigger Blade]

20 mins to go to transfer deadline and it is pretty clear that we are not going to sign anyone. Will we hear the same old excuses (we tried, but .... it was those pesky agents ...... there's always the loan window) or will the spinsters not even bother commenting this year.

Speed has already stated that he is 'satisfied' with the squad and 'it would not be the end of the world if we didn't get anyone one in'. I'm willing to give you time to turn things around Gary, but you're wrong on this one pal. News flash mr Speed .... we're shit and going nowhere (upwards) in a flash.

I got slated for starting this thread, but we are miles away from being anything like promotion candidates. We have a squad of barely 20 of which several are not good enough (France, Taylor) and several are crocks (Hendo and Willo). We have 3 defensive midfielders and the only attacking midfielder is mre of a headless chicken than the least talented defensive midfielder. Up front is embarassing with all 4 forward not looking like they'd score in a brothel. I've been a big critic of Henderson, but now I'm hoping he'll be back soon!? The irony is that our defence, which was looking incredibly shabby a few weeks ago, looks like our best area. That doesn't say much other than what a shambles Blackwell left.

We're crying out for some pace and creativity. We need at least one winger, an attacking midfielder (who can pass forwards) and a pacey striker. What do we get? Nothing, nada, rien, niente! Let's juts keep clapping away and hope that Gary Speed can infact walk on water or that he can turn those 5 loafs and 2 fishes (as much as our chairman will currently provide) into enough to feed thousands. If Speed gets that rabble playing then he wants knighting!!??

Does boring count as an insult, because you're extremely tedious?

To that, you've now added arrogance with your assertion that you're "willing to give you time to turn things around Gary". I'm sure he'll be relieved and sleep better tonight. You come across like a poor man's Curtis and that's not something I'd feel proud of.

Somebody else posted today that it's all extremes on here, there's no apparent middle ground. I don't think that's quite true. The negative posters see bad in absolutely everything at the club and appear astonished that only they have the vision to see the truth.

The positive posters don't believe that everything is perfect, but get accused of that by self-important noknowts like you.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Hiya Dunc. Nice of you to contribute to the thread, although without any substance what so ever. Still I thought that you were ignoring threads started by thre 'sunshine band', so I'm honoured that you've responded. .

You should be...put it down to a moment of weakness on my part...

As for being positive, well when on earth did I agree to that? It's difficult for me to be positve after the shite that we've been served up in the first 4 games. .

Yes, 4 whole games, but only 2 under current manager.

I actually agree that Speed has done ok in 2 weeks. It's encouraging that he's got them to try and play a bit of football. HOWEVER, with current personnel it's like trying to get Stephen Hawkins to run a marathon. We have Britton sitting in front of the back 4 with Ertl and Monty as our attacking midfielders. There is no wonder we didn't have a shot on target for over an hour. .

We played OK in a new system and won the game, with a bolt of lightening maybe, but I'm sure it said 1-0 to us in the Sunday paper.

There's been some interesting discussion (from the likes of Swiss, Fiery and Steel City) around the team and some fans can see that we are drastically short. We have no width, no pace up front, no attacki ng options in midfield, a complete lack of creativity and no pace throughout the side. Still, I get a load of stick for pointing these things out. Dunc doesn't care about the fact that we are shit, because Speed is making positve steps. I personally am very worried that my team is so awful. We need extra personnel, pure and simple.

The guy has been in charge for two games, I repeat, two games. I sincerely hope you dont employ anyone Ollie, because no-one would last a week with you if you apply the same attitude to them.

As for the players we have, I really don't see where you're getting off on this one. As Britton has shown (terrible first three games, then played in a different formation, in a different role, has great game) it takes time to change things. Some things are easy to change, some are not. Some players respond, some don't. We'll see.

You are wrong on this point. I do care if we are shit, or not shit, but I am prepared to use some perspective, and Saturday was progress. The stick you get is that you keep berating us clappers for not seeing the issues, when we see it exactly as well as you do. You seem to think that we don't understand what the teams limitations are, or what we probably need to add. We can all see we have limited width and pace. If you read my reaction to Saturday you will see that I think we passed the ball nicely, but wont get anywhere without better penetration from midfield and better movement from the attackers. Is that so different to how you see it, and what you are saying now? Maybe you just care more than I do?

For sure if you want to discuss this (hopefully in a positive way, not just repeating that 'we are shit'), I have no truck with that, but in itself it will do nothing to solve the problems. There is a small team of experienced and talented people being payed to do that and I am happy to leave it to them. I know what I think we need. I'm sure Gary Speed thinks he knows what he needs. I'm betting that Gary Speed knows better than me.

And as there isn't a grand prize for repeating the bleedin' obvious until we all lose the will to live, then perhaps you might reconsider beating the crap out of the club at this time and giving it a rest. Why dont you relax and see where we are in 10 games time..?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Does boring count as an insult, because you're extremely tedious?

To that, you've now added arrogance with your assertion that you're "willing to give you time to turn things around Gary". I'm sure he'll be relieved and sleep better tonight. You come across like a poor man's Curtis and that's not something I'd feel proud of.

Somebody else posted today that it's all extremes on here, there's no apparent middle ground. I don't think that's quite true. The negative posters see bad in absolutely everything at the club and appear astonished that only they have the vision to see the truth.

The positive posters don't believe that everything is perfect, but get accused of that by self-important noknowts like you.

Ouch!!!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm apparently a "Major Clapper" and I have to say that I left the game pleased for the win, but slightly worried. I have said to others that we need to be patient and I should take my own advice, Speed needs at least 10 games to settle the team down. And there were promising signs.

But I left with more to be concerned about especially the Attendance! Even with special offers of £15 to take a mate and a reasonable turn out from Preston, we managed just under 20,000... Not great!

We set up with a very strange 4-5-1/ 4-3-3 formation which just didn't work, Cresswell and Ward looked dire and Ched got no support. None of them are fit.

The football, pretty as it was and we kept possession in spells, was Robson-esque. Too much sideways stuff. Britton was too deep and it left Monty to be the attacking midfielder. If this is the way we play, then we can't play Monty and Britton in those positions. Monty, for his obvious faults was the only player wanting to run at the defence.

The irony was that the football which was effective was the 2nd half, more direct stuff. But the crowd only cheered the uninspiring sideways crab football!

Preston were awful. If Boro were the worst team i've seen us play in years, then Preston were a close second.

The Back 5 were fairly solid although Simmo didn't have much to do, he looked slightly nervous. Nozza for his criticism wasn't that bad. But Bartley was excellent along with Calve and Jordan.

All in all I know its early days and with a break coming up hopefully we can work on a few things.

1. Keep practicing passing, but more importantly practice movement. We need movement
2. Practice Corners, but keep Jamie Ward off them.
3. Get the strikers fit and get them to wear bright yellow vests and flashing Beacons, midfield are struggling to find them
4. Most importantly, get us playing 4-4-2 at home!!!

Got to put things in perspective, but we have work to do

And away from home.

 

[Ollessendro]

Does boring count as an insult, because you're extremely tedious?

To that, you've now added arrogance with your assertion that you're "willing to give you time to turn things around Gary". I'm sure he'll be relieved and sleep better tonight. You come across like a poor man's Curtis and that's not something I'd feel proud of.

Somebody else posted today that it's all extremes on here, there's no apparent middle ground. I don't think that's quite true. The negative posters see bad in absolutely everything at the club and appear astonished that only they have the vision to see the truth.

The positive posters don't believe that everything is perfect, but get accused of that by self-important noknowts like you.

Do I need to reply to this, other than to say thanks for your intelligent, witty and fascinating contribution. Three insults without any contribution to the thread whatsoever is no mean feat. You have the cheek to state that I am arrogant yet you come blundering in saying that I am a noknowts (presumably you mean know nowts), a poor man's curtis and la de da. You could of course not read my posts (if you find them boring) or even rise above my 'self righteous nagativity'

The guy has been in charge for two games, I repeat, two games. I sincerely hope you dont employ anyone Ollie, because no-one would last a week with you if you apply the same attitude to them.

As for the players we have, I really don't see where you're getting off on this one. As Britton has shown (terrible first three games, then played in a different formation, in a different role, has great game) it takes time to change things. Some things are easy to change, some are not. Some players respond, some don't. We'll see.

You are wrong on this point. I do care if we are shit, or not shit, but I am prepared to use some perspective, and Saturday was progress. The stick you get is that you keep berating us clappers for not seeing the issues, when we see it exactly as well as you do. You seem to think that we don't understand what the teams limitations are, or what we probably need to add. We can all see we have limited width and pace. If you read my reaction to Saturday you will see that I think we passed the ball nicely, but wont get anywhere without better penetration from midfield and better movement from the attackers. Is that so different to how you see it, and what you are saying now? Maybe you just care more than I do?

For sure if you want to discuss this (hopefully in a positive way, not just repeating that 'we are shit'), I have no truck with that, but in itself it will do nothing to solve the problems. There is a small team of experienced and talented people being payed to do that and I am happy to leave it to them. I know what I think we need. I'm sure Gary Speed thinks he knows what he needs. I'm betting that Gary Speed knows better than me.

And as there isn't a grand prize for repeating the bleedin' obvious until we all lose the will to live, then perhaps you might reconsider beating the crap out of the club at this time and giving it a rest. Why dont you relax and see where we are in 10 games time..?

I am fully aware that Speed has onlt been in charge for 2 games, although that has no impact on my initial or subsequent posts. I have not been critical of Speed, but have merley pointed out that he has some pretty dire resources.

Am I not allowed to get a little bit upset about our crap team and the fact that we haven't signed players. After all I am in the 'sunshine band'. If no one else is going to be negative then someone has to fill the gap. This forum is not exclusive for 'clappers' and hence I am free to post. But Dunc, admit it, you'd miss the likes of Mic, Lenner, Fiery and myself if we weren't here. Who would you debate with. The fact is that I am a 'knocker, 'moaner' and 'groaner' and I will always find faults with the club, no matter how good it gets (and it is not good at the moment). You can npow add to that list 'arrogant', 'self righteous' and 'know nothing' so I'll just keep spouting hot air.

I am not interested in debating who is a bigger fan and all that nonsense. Frankly I can't understand why you brought that up. Do I care mor ethan you? I've no idea. I certainly have a better idea of the failings of the club (imo) and am not willing to paper over the cracks. But one person being negative and the other clapping away with red and white spectacles on doesn't shed any light on who cares the most.

You state "For sure if you want to discuss this (hopefully in a positive way, not just repeating that 'we are shit'" but the fact is that I don't just state 'we are shit'. I give detailed reasoning as to why we are rubbish. Do I have to list them again?

- Nosworthy is a liability
- Morgan is past his best
- Bartley is a powder puff
(on the whole full backs are looking better but CB is a worry)
- Britton looks good but his midfield partners look awful. Ertl is ok, but limited. Not only that but he is a defencive player and there are questions marks as to whether him and Britton should be in the same team. Monty plays a similar position to Britton played on Saturday and is hopeless going forward. I really hope that Quinn can pull something out of the bag, but tha last 3 seasons form suggest otherwise. Williamson is a crock and can't be relied upon.
- we have no width
- we have no pace
- our strikers are slow, weak and blunt
- Evans, Cresswell and Ward couldn't hit a barn door
- we are 3 or 4 (maybe 5 or 6) players away from being anything like a tream that can push for promotion.

Boring, tedious I may be but I am merley S-P-E-L-L-I-N-G the truth out to the 'clappers'. It's going to be a long, hard season so it's time to take the 'red and white specs off' and be ready for a relegation battle (or mid table mediocrity if we get a bit of luck).

 

[Houso]

It's not truth, it's opinion.

This has been the irritating thing about these arguments for as long as I can remember. Nothing rubs me up the wrong way as when the more critical posters claim they are 'Realists'. Bollocks they are.

 

[SwissBlade]

And away from home.

Not for me, 4-5-1 has worked quite well away so fairly comfortable with it.

At the moment i'd be happy with boring 0-0 away up until Christmas, but we need to sort the Home form out and start being more adventurous

 

[Coily]

You have the cheek to state that I am arrogant yet you come blundering in saying that I am a noknowts (presumably you mean know nowts), a poor man's curtis and la de da. You could of course not read my posts (if you find them boring) or even rise above my 'self righteous nagativity'

I am fully aware that Speed has onlt been in charge for 2 games, although that has no impact on my initial or subsequent posts. I have not been critical of Speed, but have merley pointed out that he has some pretty dire resources.

Am I not allowed to get a little bit upset about our crap team and the fact that we haven't signed players. After all I am in the 'sunshine band'. If no one else is going to be negative then someone has to fill the gap. This forum is not exclusive for 'clappers' and hence I am free to post. But Dunc, admit it, you'd miss the likes of Mic, Lenner, Fiery and myself if we weren't here. Who would you debate with. The fact is that I am a 'knocker, 'moaner' and 'groaner' and I will always find faults with the club, no matter how good it gets (and it is not good at the moment). You can npow add to that list 'arrogant', 'self righteous' and 'know nothing' so I'll just keep spouting hot air.

I am not interested in debating who is a bigger fan and all that nonsense. Frankly I can't understand why you brought that up. Do I care mor ethan you? I've no idea. I certainly have a better idea of the failings of the club (imo) and am not willing to paper over the cracks. But one person being negative and the other clapping away with red and white spectacles on doesn't shed any light on who cares the most.

You state "For sure if you want to discuss this (hopefully in a positive way, not just repeating that 'we are shit'" but the fact is that I don't just state 'we are shit'. I give detailed reasoning as to why we are rubbish. Do I have to list them again?

- Nosworthy is a liability
- Morgan is past his best
- Bartley is a powder puff
(on the whole full backs are looking better but CB is a worry)
- Britton looks good but his midfield partners look awful. Ertl is ok, but limited. Not only that but he is a defencive player and there are questions marks as to whether him and Britton should be in the same team. Monty plays a similar position to Britton played on Saturday and is hopeless going forward. I really hope that Quinn can pull something out of the bag, but tha last 3 seasons form suggest otherwise. Williamson is a crock and can't be relied upon.
- we have no width
- we have no pace
- our strikers are slow, weak and blunt
- Evans, Cresswell and Ward couldn't hit a barn door
- we are 3 or 4 (maybe 5 or 6) players away from being anything like a tream that can push for promotion.

Boring, tedious I may be but I am merley S-P-E-L-L-I-N-G the truth out to the 'clappers'. It's going to be a long, hard season so it's time to take the 'red and white specs off' and be ready for a relegation battle (or mid table mediocrity if we get a bit of luck).

If you are going to play smart on spelling, at least ensure you are beyond reproach yourself.

In my opinion, the description of you as arrogant is bang on the money. You don't s-p-e-l-l out the truth to anyone; you merely assert your opinion.

My opinion is that SUFC are a club in transition. The money is scarce to find and years of poor football played by Speed’s predecessors will take time to rectify. The early indications of his tenure go above the results. The intention is to play on the deck. It’s what most of us have wanted to see for a dog’s age and should be applauded. A new way of playing will take time, and this international break has come at a good time for us to work on the positives of last Saturday and work on the main failing which was the final ball.

There are plenty of good players at the club, one’s that will easily have us clear of any danger and maybe even having a poke at the play-offs, though it’s certainly not something I’d bet money on right now. Which means if he can, Speed should be looking to strengthen. In my view, pace is key. We’ll also be stronger when the likes of Williamson and Henderson return as they are potentially big players for us, if they can shake off the bad luck they have been having with injury and illness. To dismiss them as ‘crocks’ is short-sighted.

Keep smiling. UTB!

 

[Fiery Blade]

If you are going to play smart on spelling, at least ensure you are beyond reproach yourself.

In my opinion, the description of you as arrogant is bang on the money. You don't s-p-e-l-l out the truth to anyone; you merely assert your opinion.

My opinion is that SUFC are a club in transition. The money is scarce to find and years of poor football played by Speed’s predecessors will take time to rectify. The early indications of his tenure go above the results. The intention is to play on the deck. It’s what most of us have wanted to see for a dog’s age and should be applauded. A new way of playing will take time, and this international break has come at a good time for us to work on the positives of last Saturday and work on the main failing which was the final ball.

There are plenty of good players at the club, one’s that will easily have us clear of any danger and maybe even having a poke at the play-offs, though it’s certainly not something I’d bet money on right now. Which means if he can, Speed should be looking to strengthen. In my view, pace is key. We’ll also be stronger when the likes of Williamson and Henderson return as they are potentially big players for us, if they can shake off the bad luck they have been having with injury and illness. To dismiss them as ‘crocks’ is short-sighted.

Keep smiling. UTB!

Please check how many games Henderson and Williamson have played in the last two seasons - Ive not checked the records but I would be staggered if it was above 50% Thats crocked status!

 

[Ollessendro]

If you are going to play smart on spelling, at least ensure you are beyond reproach yourself.

In my opinion, the description of you as arrogant is bang on the money. You don't s-p-e-l-l out the truth to anyone; you merely assert your opinion.

My opinion is that SUFC are a club in transition. The money is scarce to find and years of poor football played by Speed’s predecessors will take time to rectify. The early indications of his tenure go above the results. The intention is to play on the deck. It’s what most of us have wanted to see for a dog’s age and should be applauded. A new way of playing will take time, and this international break has come at a good time for us to work on the positives of last Saturday and work on the main failing which was the final ball.

There are plenty of good players at the club, one’s that will easily have us clear of any danger and maybe even having a poke at the play-offs, though it’s certainly not something I’d bet money on right now. Which means if he can, Speed should be looking to strengthen. In my view, pace is key. We’ll also be stronger when the likes of Williamson and Henderson return as they are potentially big players for us, if they can shake off the bad luck they have been having with injury and illness. To dismiss them as ‘crocks’ is short-sighted.

Keep smiling. UTB!

I've been pulled up for SPAG before, but it merely shows that many of the 'clappers' can't handle my arguments. So what if I don't proof read my posts (I am at work and don't have a lot of time). The people who concentrate on pulling me up for spelling mistakes just shows that they can constructively debate with me. Alternatively you could take the insult route (as a few have already done on this thread) and call me a twat or tedious (without offering anything to the thread). To be fair Coily at least you've put some justification as to why you don't agree with me. I actually agree with most of the stuff that you've put, but where as you've chose to take a positive outlook, I think the situation is pretty bleak.

Oh and I'll keep blasting this sunshine with rays of sunshine ... don't you worry about that!!!??

Please check how many games Henderson and Williamson have played in the last two seasons - Ive not checked the records but I would be staggered if it was above 50% Thats crocked status!

what he said. It's not short sighted to say that a player who has been blighted by injuries all his career and another that's been blighted by injuries for the last 2 years are 'crocks. We can call them 'long term casualties' if you prefer Coily?

 

[Houso]

Still doesn't disguise the fact that it's only your opinion though does it Olle. Your subjective truth, not the actual truth.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Do I need to reply to this, other than to say thanks for your intelligent, witty and fascinating contribution. Three insults without any contribution to the thread whatsoever is no mean feat. You have the cheek to state that I am arrogant yet you come blundering in saying that I am a noknowts (presumably you mean know nowts), a poor man's curtis and la de da. You could of course not read my posts (if you find them boring) or even rise above my 'self righteous nagativity'

Boring, tedious I may be but I am merley S-P-E-L-L-I-N-G the truth out to the 'clappers'. It's going to be a long, hard season so it's time to take the 'red and white specs off' and be ready for a relegation battle (or mid table mediocrity if we get a bit of luck).

Apparently, you did need to reply, I'd expect somebody with your, er, self-belief to be a bit thicker skinned. My observation yesterday was not based on one post, but a slow process of attrition, including the laughable letter to the club a few months back. I've never felt the urge to react quite like that to len, but he doesn't take himself as seriously as you do and gets his point across in a sentence.

I did mean know nowt, not sure where my innovative spelling came from, but I'm going to forward it to the OED for inclusion. Speaking of spelling, were you trying to be ironic, with your spelling of merley? That was juxtaposed next to upper case spelling, with dashes, suggesting that you need to do it slowly for people like me who might be too thick to understand your "truth".

You didn't get the rest of my post, which was that where the moaners see only negativity, others may not be completely happy, but they see some positives, it's called being objective. It's where I and a lot of others are, but you can't see that, you rant on about "clappers", I really don't know who those people are.

 

[Ollessendro]

Apparently, you did need to reply, I'd expect somebody with your, er, self-belief to be a bit thicker skinned. My observation yesterday was not based on one post, but a slow process of attrition, including the laughable letter to the club a few months back. I've never felt the urge to react quite like that to len, but he doesn't take himself as seriously as you do and gets his point across in a sentence.

I did mean know nowt, not sure where my innovative spelling came from, but I'm going to forward it to the OED for inclusion. Speaking of spelling, were you trying to be ironic, with your spelling of merley? That was juxtaposed next to upper case spelling, with dashes, suggesting that you need to do it slowly for people like me who might be too thick to understand your "truth".

You didn't get the rest of my post, which was that where the moaners see only negativity, others may not be completely happy, but they see some positives, it's called being objective. It's where I and a lot of others are, but you can't see that, you rant on about "clappers", I really don't know who those people are.

Don't worry old pal, thy ant upset me. Only a mad man would come on here and most the opinions that I do and not be thick skinned. You think that I take myself more serious than Lenners, but that is where you fail to be smarter than the average bear.

 

[Coily]

I've been pulled up for SPAG before, but it merely shows that many of the 'clappers' can't handle my arguments. So what if I don't proof read my posts (I am at work and don't have a lot of time). The people who concentrate on pulling me up for spelling mistakes just shows that they can constructively debate with me.

Something to be said for that, but by doing the same aren't you acknowledging that you can't handle Trigger's argument by your own rationale? The spelling thing is always a cop-out retort and should be avoided, but a bit of proof reading would help as putting 'can' instead of 'can't' can be confusing...

what he said. It's not short sighted to say that a player who has been blighted by injuries all his career and another that's been blighted by injuries for the last 2 years are 'crocks. We can call them 'long term casualties' if you prefer Coily?

They are indeed long term casualties as this refers to their present fitness status. This is as opposed to writing them off as always going to be injured in the future which is what the term 'crock' would imply.

Before he joined, Willo didn't have many problems with injuries. He's been bloody unlucky while with us including his near fatal episode. And Hendo has been suspended more than injured I'd say, but that's another argument altogether...

And Fiery, do you own bloody research!!!

 

[Ollessendro]

Something to be said for that, but by doing the same aren't you acknowledging that you can't handle Trigger's argument by your own rationale? The spelling thing is always a cop-out retort and should be avoided, but a bit of proof reading would help as putting 'can' instead of 'can't' can be confusing...

thy ant = you have't (attempt at writing Yorkshire lingo)

 

[Trigger Blade]

I've been pulled up for SPAG before, but it merely shows that many of the 'clappers' can't handle my arguments. So what if I don't proof read my posts (I am at work and don't have a lot of time). The people who concentrate on pulling me up for spelling mistakes just shows that they can constructively debate with me. Alternatively you could take the insult route (as a few have already done on this thread) and call me a twat or tedious (without offering anything to the thread).

I don't think Coily was referring to your inexplicable attempt to write with a Yorkshire accent (already done very competently by Beighton Blade). I'm fairly sure he's referring to the above where you said "can" when you meant "can't". Inadvertently, you got it right.

My contribution to the thread, which I'm now writing for the third time (which means I'm getting Ollie-like in my repetitiveness) is that there is an alternative view to your unrelenting, increasingly hysterical pessimism. However loudly you shout, or however slowly you type, I still prefer to be objective. I wouldn't waste my time, as you choose to do, despite your busy work schedule, trying to convince you that I'm right.

 

[Ollessendro]

I don't think Coily was referring to your inexplicable attempt to write with a Yorkshire accent (already done very competently by Beighton Blade). I'm fairly sure he's referring to the above where you said "can" when you meant "can't". Inadvertently, you got it right.

My contribution to the thread, which I'm now writing for the third time (which means I'm getting Ollie-like in my repetitiveness) is that there is an alternative view to your unrelenting, increasingly hysterical pessimism. However loudly you shout, or however slowly you type, I still prefer to be objective. I wouldn't waste my time, as you choose to do, despite your busy work schedule, trying to convince you that I'm right.

ah ok!? I said can't and meant can't. You picking out spelling mistakes just showed that you had nothing better to come back at me with.

But I'm advising you 'clappers' for your own good!? I feel kind of like a parent, I'm looking out for you optimists (or objective-ists in your case Trig) and trying to ensure that you're not upset or have too high expectations. Yet I get a hostile reaction and even abuse! You can of course choose to ignore my 'unrelenting, increasingly hysterical pessimism' (I quite like that) but I am merely telling you to buckle up and be prepared to a crap season.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I am merely telling you to buckle up and be prepared to a crap season.

You act like you're telling us something what we don't already know.

I doubt whether any of the 'clappers' thinks this is going to be a promotion season, i certainly don't. I'm fairly optimistic that by the end of the season we'll have a team that is playing attractive football, and that the season after there will be a promotion push. In a sense i'm almost glad that we haven't broke the bank to get someone in, i'd rather save that money and spend it next summer instead for a promotion charge.

This season i'll be happy with a mid-table finish. Speed has got to be given time to turn the team around, and i think that since he won't have the expectation on his shoulders of a quick return to the premier league that Robson did, i think the fans and the chairman provided we are not in a relegation battle, will give him just that. If we are in a relegation battle then it might be a different story...

 

[Trigger Blade]

ah ok!? I said can't and meant can't. You picking out spelling mistakes just showed that you had nothing better to come back at me with.

But I'm advising you 'clappers' for your own good!? I feel kind of like a parent, I'm looking out for you optimists (or objective-ists in your case Trig) and trying to ensure that you're not upset or have too high expectations. Yet I get a hostile reaction and even abuse! You can of course choose to ignore my 'unrelenting, increasingly hysterical pessimism' (I quite like that) but I am merely telling you to buckle up and be prepared to a crap season.

Pedantically, you said can and meant can't. I mentioned one spelling mistake, which I wouldn't normally, not because I was looking for a cheap shot, but it was in the context of you spelling "spelling" in a patronising way and getting the word next to it wrong, that's all.

As Highbury says, you come across like a gloomy evangelist, trying to save us from ourselves, I don't need your salvation.

Objective-ist Trig

 

[Bert]

As the calendar moves into September Bert clocks up another year of watching United. Forty two years exactly since he first got off the bus at Pond Street and walked up Shoreham street to The Lane.

Dear Olly,
can you advise Bert what sort of season he can expect and how he should be feeling about The Blades right now? In those forty two years Bert hasn't learnt a thing and he needs someone to help him formulate an opinion.
Thanking you in advance.
Bert.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

I am fully aware that Speed has onlt been in charge for 2 games, although that has no impact on my initial or subsequent posts. I have not been critical of Speed, but have merley pointed out that he has some pretty dire resources. ).

So basically, when Blackwell was here, you seemed to think the problem was the manager, now its the players. So was Blackwell a good manager with poor resources after all?

If no one else is going to be negative then someone has to fill the gap. I will always find faults with the club, no matter how good it gets.

So do you see this as some sort of public service then? A self appointed 'Pisser on chips'. That is just bizarre, Ollie. Have another think about what you are saying.

I am not interested in debating who is a bigger fan and all that nonsense.

You were when you told me that I 'didn't give a shit'

I certainly have a better idea of the failings of the club (imo) and am not willing to paper over the cracks. But one person being negative and the other clapping away with red and white spectacles on doesn't shed any light on who cares the most.

I think thats an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Ah, the 'red and white specs' make an appearance. You still dont get this do you?

You state "For sure if you want to discuss this (hopefully in a positive way, not just repeating that 'we are shit'" but the fact is that I don't just state 'we are shit'. I give detailed reasoning as to why we are rubbish. Do I have to list them again?

No, you keep saying we're shit, and no I dont think we need you to list them again. They are all your opinion, which you are entitled to, but saying it over and over doesn't make them fact.

Boring, tedious I may be...

Finally something we can agree on!

but I am merley S-P-E-L-L-I-N-G the truth out to the 'clappers'. It's going to be a long, hard season so it's time to take the 'red and white specs off' and be ready for a relegation battle (or mid table mediocrity if we get a bit of luck).

Heres something I can spell out for you. F-E-C-K O-F-F. At one time or another we've had a stream of posters trying to get us to 'see the truth' or your personal version of it. Sadly the likeness with Curtis is not just in passing. He is an arrogant, angry little man, spouting off to get attention. You appear a little better informed than he is, but the tone and attitude displayed are achingly similar. What would I do without you, Len, Mic, Fiery etc? I dont know whats it like not to have a pain in the arse?

You know what, if I ever get cancer, don't try to console me. I have a feeling that whilst other people would be telling me how many people survive the disease, you'd be the one telling me how many people die, or how terrible the side effects of the treatment are. You are not helping us to see 'the truth' (your interpretation of the facts, which I largely reject anyway...) You are trying to steal our joy...

 

[Ollessendro]

Heres something I can spell out for you. F-E-C-K O-F-F. At one time or another we've had a stream of posters trying to get us to 'see the truth' or your personal version of it. Sadly the likeness with Curtis is not just in passing. He is an arrogant, angry little man, spouting off to get attention. You appear a little better informed than he is, but the tone and attitude displayed are achingly similar. What would I do without you, Len, Mic, Fiery etc? I dont know whats it like not to have a pain in the arse?

You know what, if I ever get cancer, don't try to console me. I have a feeling that whilst other people would be telling me how many people survive the disease, you'd be the one telling me how many people die, or how terrible the side effects of the treatment are. You are not helping us to see 'the truth' (your interpretation of the facts, which I largely reject anyway...) You are trying to steal our joy...

Now, now Dunc I think you need to calm down a little. Maybe it's you who needs a hug .... Houso has been offering them out, so there you go.

I usually find that whenever someone resorts to insults or tells someonbe to 'f*ck off' then they have lost the debate/argument. The fact that you have had to tell me to feck off speaks volumes.

But, I'll address myour comments and questions below:

So basically, when Blackwell was here, you seemed to think the problem was the manager, now its the players. So was Blackwell a good manager with poor resources after all?
...

Nope. Blackwell slowly fucked the team up. He let all the best players leave (with the help of McCabe) and slowly replaced them with garbage. As Blackwell stamped his authority on the team the team got worse. After 2 and a half seasons he left us with a poor set of resources. Blackwell sold off most of the talented/creative players (although he had his hands tied with many I admit) and replaced them with talentless work horses.

So do you see this as some sort of public service then? A self appointed 'Pisser on chips'. That is just bizarre, Ollie. Have another think about what you are saying.
...

Nope. This is a forum and of course I am entitled to post what I like, within the rules. I can't understand this back lash to me pointing out a few home truths. All I ask is for you to take a step back, take your red and wite spec off and listen to what I am saying. If you choose to dismiss it then that's fine.

I think thats an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Ah, the 'red and white specs' make an appearance. You still dont get this do you?
...

Red and white specs is a metaphor to seeing everything in red and white to be rosy and great. It's like the polar opposite of the 'sunshine band' or being a 'knocker'. Is it arrogant to refer to a poster as a 'knokcer' or member of the 'sunshine band'?

No, you keep saying we're shit, and no I dont think we need you to list them again. They are all your opinion, which you are entitled to, but saying it over and over doesn't make them fact.
...

I keep stating the uncomfortable truth, with a mixture of my own opinions. When I state my opinion I do it constructively. Unfortunately most of the clappers get upset and throw insults at me.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Nope. This is a forum and of course I am entitled to post what I like, within the rules. I can't understand this back lash to me pointing out a few home truths. All I ask is for you to take a step back, take your red and wite spec off and listen to what I am saying. If you choose to dismiss it then that's fine.



Red and white specs is a metaphor to seeing everything in red and white to be rosy and great. It's like the polar opposite of the 'sunshine band' or being a 'knocker'. Is it arrogant to refer to a poster as a 'knokcer' or member of the 'sunshine band'?

Name one person on here that thinks everything is rosy and great at the club.

 

[dingledog]

Name one person on here that thinks everything is rosy and great at the club.

I do, but then I am delusional and think they take good care of me in the secure care home!!!

 

[Ollessendro]

As the calendar moves into September Bert clocks up another year of watching United. Forty two years exactly since he first got off the bus at Pond Street and walked up Shoreham street to The Lane.

Dear Olly,
can you advise Bert what sort of season he can expect and how he should be feeling about The Blades right now? In those forty two years Bert hasn't learnt a thing and he needs someone to help him formulate an opinion.
Thanking you in advance.
Bert.

Bert, me owd mucker. I would have though that 42 years supporting the club would mean that you can form your own feelings. But here are some tips, as you aksed:

- you should be happy as a pig in shit
- you should completely trust McCabe and Birch anbe believe everything they say
- don't question the appointment of Speed
- put the low crowds down to the recession and not club affairs

How's that?

 

[Ollessendro]

Poor old Big Mart (R.I.P) got banned from the forum for being abusive. All the 'clappers' objected to my suggestion to bring him back, because they didn't like his opinions. But just look below to see how the 'clappers' deal with opinions that they don't like

i think you need a holiday ollie.chill pill you depressed twat!

No, just a twat

Does boring count as an insult, because you're extremely tedious?

To that, you've now added arrogance with your assertion that you're "willing to give you time to turn things around Gary". I'm sure he'll be relieved and sleep better tonight. You come across like a poor man's Curtis and that's not something I'd feel proud of.

The positive posters don't believe that everything is perfect, but get accused of that by self-important noknowts (know nowt) like you.

In my opinion, the description of you as arrogant is bang on the money.

...... F-E-C-K O-F-F.

Luckily I have thick skin and will keep gracing the forum with my 'sunshine' wisdom!?