Villa ghost goal will cost us Europe

[carthesis]

Not sure I necessarily believe the "it wasn't turned in theory" per se, but the entire thing does just seem off.

I've said before based on my assumptions about how the system seems to work I can see a theoretical possibility that if only one camera sees it then HawkEye won't register, but again, seems unlikely in this case.

We might get our wish over this given tonight's result though. I can see Watford whining if they go down, especially if it happens to end up being on GD.

If it goes to court it'll end up a shit-show royale.

And if so, I hope we have the common sense to stay well the fuck away from it. Even if us getting 2 more points would put us into Europe, I hope we look at the court bunfight between Bournemouth, Watford, Villa and the EPL and then turn our backs and walk away.

And if Chris and the mob are called to testify if it was a goal or not, I hope they have the sense to be on the stand, and say "Yes, we thought the goal should have been awarded. It was a shame the technology didn't work as it should and make that clear-cut decision without controversy, but sometimes, that's football."

And then move on.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Not sure I necessarily believe the "it wasn't turned in theory" per se, but the entire thing does just seem off.

I've said before based on my assumptions about how the system seems to work I can see a theoretical possibility that if only one camera sees it then HawkEye won't register, but again, seems unlikely in this case.

We might get our wish over this given tonight's result though. I can see Watford whining if they go down, especially if it happens to end up being on GD.

If it goes to court it'll end up a shit-show royale.

And if so, I hope we have the common sense to stay well the fuck away from it. Even if us getting 2 more points would put us into Europe, I hope we look at the court bunfight between Bournemouth, Watford, Villa and the EPL and then turn our backs and walk away.

And if Chris and the mob are called to testify if it was a goal or not, I hope they have the sense to be on the stand, and say "Yes, we thought the goal should have been awarded. It was a shame the technology didn't work as it should and make that clear-cut decision without controversy, but sometimes, that's football."

And then move on.

Would change the last bit. We need to know what went wrong, so that in future there are clear rules on how to deal with failure of Hawkeye - by VAR, officials trusting their eyes, etc. It was ridiculous that such a ‘clear and obvious error’ could not be corrected - it brings the use of technology into disrepute.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Looks like the point gained against us could keep them up, galling but beating Arsenal keeps us eighth. Win Sunday and we can't be caught.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Not sure I necessarily believe the "it wasn't turned in theory" per se, but the entire thing does just seem off.

I've said before based on my assumptions about how the system seems to work I can see a theoretical possibility that if only one camera sees it then HawkEye won't register, but again, seems unlikely in this case.

We might get our wish over this given tonight's result though. I can see Watford whining if they go down, especially if it happens to end up being on GD.

If it goes to court it'll end up a shit-show royale.

And if so, I hope we have the common sense to stay well the fuck away from it. Even if us getting 2 more points would put us into Europe, I hope we look at the court bunfight between Bournemouth, Watford, Villa and the EPL and then turn our backs and walk away.

And if Chris and the mob are called to testify if it was a goal or not, I hope they have the sense to be on the stand, and say "Yes, we thought the goal should have been awarded. It was a shame the technology didn't work as it should and make that clear-cut decision without controversy, but sometimes, that's football."

And then move on.

The results today makes the shit-show more likely. I agree with you, and like the Man City European charges we stay out of it and let the storm blow without us in the middle of it.

 

[Foxy]

The results today makes the shit-show more likely. I agree with you, and like the Man City European charges we stay out of it and let the storm blow without us in the middle of it.

Depending on the appetite (and Covid effected finances) of those who feel wronged, it could be an unprecedented collection of litigation across english football this 'close season'... All avoidable.

 

[bromtom]

I'd take money, but I think giving us another 2 points would be a bit much perhaps and timescale wise would cause us havoc if it meant somehow we ended up in the Europa League qualifying round, pretty sure that starts in a few weeks.

Take Villa's ill-gotten point off them, leave us with the same points and a big wad of cash.

 

[oldblade]

Every Blade knew that the ghost goal would come back to haunt us ,not only are we bottom of the VAR table but we have the absolute mockery of being cheated out of two points . Yes it has been one hell of a season but this could be our best chance of a European place for many a year ( I have been waiting since Birmingham 1974 to come close ) but i will feel bitter and twisted if we miss out.

Losing to Leicester and then compounding that with a defeat against Everton is what has cost us a European place, not the ghost goal.

 

[GrayBlade]

Yep, 8th place is in our own hands now.

 

[PokerBlade]

Still crossing my fingers on a fourteen goal swing for Wham.

 

[oldblade]

Looks like the point gained against us could keep them up, galling but beating Arsenal keeps us eighth. Win Sunday and we can't be caught.

Watford's defeat to West Ham made West Ham safe (barring a huge goal difference swing) and means they have nothing to play for. Making a Villa win against them in their final game more likely.

IMHO it is Watford's defeat against West Ham that gave Villa an escape route.

And sacking Pearson made Watford's relegation a virtual certainty.

 

[SUFC Guy]

8th would be fantastic and worth around £4m more than 10th.

Here are last year's payments for finishing places...

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Or the two points dropped against us could relegate them.

 

[Booker4]

If Villa stay up, as looks likely now, and only by on point, I'd expect Watford to mount a legal challenge and I hope they win. The argument against it though is that Villa may well have equalised against us of course and still drew.

It's not just about the game v us though, Villa would have broken FFP rules but got promoted and escaped.

On the other hand, Watford deserve to be relegated in terms of their stupid manager philosophy of sacking managers twice every season.

 

[Foxy]

Threads merged

 

[BanderSerge]

Losing to Leicester and then compounding that with a defeat against Everton is what has cost us a European place, not the ghost goal.

If we get the1-0 win at Villa Park you think we don’t get a confidence boost at Newcastle? In fact why change the rules of a competition 2/3 through anyway? Our next fixture before COVID-19 was Newcastle away, not Villa away?

 

[ThatJa]

I think Newcastle home/away, Everton home cost us more than the "goal" at Aston Villa.

 

[mancunianblade]

Back to the topic.

The non-goal has implications, if not for us then probably at the other end of the table. Simple solution is to release the footage, show it malfunctioned and that ends it. It's never been seen, because I believe it doesn't exist and the implications are huge. If it was either not switched on, or the ref forgot to turn the watch on, the blame moves from Hawkeye to the officials and the PL. At the moment Hawkeye are taking the flack and passing it off as a freak occurence, but if this becomes a legal matter then they may drop the officials right in it.

there has to have been a fault which occurred after kick off They’ve closed ranks and thus refused to share the images of the goal but there were ample images of the guy testing it before the game.

Maybe Oliver’s watch wasn’t on and the PL put a gag on them? Even with the watch off therehad to be images surely

 

[Sean Thornton]

The results today makes the shit-show more likely. I agree with you, and like the Man City European charges we stay out of it and let the storm blow without us in the middle of it.

Exactly. Accept it and stay out of any bun fight.

 

[Kev Gee]

Could the point they gained lead to legal action from a relegated club?

Aston Villa 1-0 Arsenal: Trezeguet winner lifts Villa out of bottom three

Aston Villa move out of the Premier League relegation zone with one game to go after Trezeguet hits a superb winner against Arsenal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Things could get messy.

 

[ATL Recs]

I blame the Villa away game for our relegation last time. We set up to lose that game and did. If we’d have scored a goal or conceded one less we’d have stayed up.

No we were not good enough all season back then you can’t blame 1 game we had a 10 point cushion ffs and screwed it up

 

[mattbianco1]

so you agree, we are a half season team and need to be more savvy on transfers or adapt our style so that we can compete after Christmas or a Easter in fairness?

With respect - WTF are you on?

our results from 5th December are as follows - WWWDLLWWDLWWWDWW that takes us up to 7th March. The 3 defeats in there are 2x Man City and 1x Liverpool.

Then - a once in a lifetime occurrence halts football for over 3 months and forces us to play in empty stadiums and the form all of a sudden changes to - DLLLWDWWLL.

Seriously, you're either a wind up merchant, a very negative type of fan who expects the unrealistic, or worse still - a pig

 

[BanderSerge]

I think Newcastle home/away, Everton home cost us more than the "goal" at Aston Villa.

Subjective, I know, but to come straight back from restart with 3 points, (the Norwood goal was a fact) the confidence boost is immeasurable? We’ve seen us come away from Everton and Brighton with similar performances, but 3 points?

 

[BanderSerge]

Exactly. Accept it and stay out of any bun fight.

Exactly. Accept it and stay out of any bun fight.

Me on Sunday night if the table stays the same!

 

[Davalon]

Watford last night reminded me of our game at Villa under Warnock.

Losing itself wasn't bad but losing by that many was.

I was hoping Bournemouth escaped at Villa and Watford's expense.

I'm actually disappointed Villa may well survive although I like Dean Smith. I expect Villa to be better next season.

If they do survive by a point or more pertinently by 1 goal difference, it could get interesting.

 

[oldblade]

If we get the1-0 win at Villa Park you think we don’t get a confidence boost at Newcastle?

A win at Villa does not necessarily equal a win against Newcastle. Just as wins against Spurs, Wolves and Chelsea did not equal a sufficient 'confidence boost' to provide wins against Leicester and Everton.

Who knows what the outcome of that Villa game would have been had we been awarded that goal. It is far from certain that we would have won the game. It may have gavanised Villa and we may have lost. Or we may have gone on to win comfortably. Who knows? The whole dynamic of the game would have changed. The reality is that our performance was not good throughout that game and in that context a draw was not a bad result.

The games that have really put paid to our European hopes are Leicester and Everton. Two sides who were in poor form when we played them.

However, regardless of that and even if we lose to Southampton and finish tenth, the whole club deserve great praise for what has been achieved and I certainly won't be agonising over the goal that wasn't given.

 

[sjl]

With respect - WTF are you on?

our results from 5th December are as follows - WWWDLLWWDLWWWDWW that takes us up to 7th March. The 3 defeats in there are 2x Man City and 1x Liverpool.

Then - a once in a lifetime occurrence halts football for over 3 months and forces us to play in empty stadiums and the form all of a sudden changes to - DLLLWDWWLL.

Seriously, you're either a wind up merchant, a very negative type of fan who expects the unrealistic, or worse still - a pig

Talking the business end now, the bit where squad depth comes into play, that’s all. Morrison, Rodwell and Zicovic aren’t exactly doing it are they? I’m just a realist that loves my team, sees 11points in the past 30 and see the next Blackpool, Huddersfield or any other team that is on a slide into season two.

 

[sjl]

Talking the business end now, the bit where squad depth comes into play, that’s all. Morrison, Rodwell and Zicovic aren’t exactly doing it are they? I’m just a realist that loves my team, sees 11points in the past 30 and see the next Blackpool, Huddersfield or any other team that is on a slide into season two.

 

[bromtom]

Talking the business end now, the bit where squad depth comes into play, that’s all. Morrison, Rodwell and Zicovic aren’t exactly doing it are they? I’m just a realist that loves my team, sees 11points in the past 30 and see the next Blackpool, Huddersfield or any other team that is on a slide into season two.

11 points from 30, but it was 10 games in a compressed period. We'll hopefully never play that many games that quickly again in the league. We had 2 days off between some games.

If it was a normal season and we'd dropped off a bit, then maybe I'd be more worried, but you can't really draw many useful conclusions from this restart period, rough ideas of what you need but not much else - sort of like when all the F1 practice sessions and qualifying are wet and the race is dry.

 

[ThatJa]

Subjective, I know, but to come straight back from restart with 3 points, (the Norwood goal was a fact) the confidence boost is immeasurable? We’ve seen us come away from Everton and Brighton with similar performances, but 3 points?
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How was the Villa goal a "fact" that we'd go on to get 3pts even if the goal had stood we still had another 45 minutes to play at 1-0 up..

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Talking the business end now, the bit where squad depth comes into play, that’s all. Morrison, Rodwell and Zicovic aren’t exactly doing it are they? I’m just a realist that loves my team, sees 11points in the past 30 and see the next Blackpool, Huddersfield or any other team that is on a slide into season two.

11 points from 30 would equate to 38 in a full season. Add in the odd extra shock win, and this season we stay up. Anything less than what we have achieved to date, is not a slide. We are constantly punching above our weight. Surely in the big wide world of future investment, someone can see our potential and stump up the cash CWAK deserve.