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Trafford said:
Have we been ‘awarded’ anything by VAR this season?
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Closest one for me is the McBurnie goal v Man Utd, I think the right decision was made but given who it was against the ball grazing McBurnie's shoulder (is that considered part of the arm?) I was amazed we got it.
 



8lade said:
Closest one for me is the McBurnie goal v Man Utd, I think the right decision was made but given who it was against the ball grazing McBurnie's shoulder (is that considered part of the arm?) I was amazed we got it.
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That one isn't even included in their figures. Probably desperate to get Man Utd top of the table.
 
Our VAR decisions:
Against:
Correct:
McBurnie's disallowed goal against Southampton if you believe that Egan touched the ball
Shelvey's goal given after incorrect offside
Egan's disallowed goal against Brighton - it hit his hand
O'Connell's disallowed goal against Brighton - miles offside
Ward's rescinded red card for Palace

Debatable:
Mousset's disallowed goal against Man City - Mousset at full tilt, too much margin for error for a tight offside call

Wrong:
McGoldrick's goal against Spurs. Even if you accept that Lundstram was offside the initial cross was cleared resetting the play

In favour:
Correct:
Snodgrass's disallowed goal for West Ham - Rice fouled Egan then handled the ball
Kane's disallowed goal for Spurs - Moura fouled but the ball hit his arm
Basham's rescinded red card at Norwich

Not given:
Norwood's goal against Villa (done to death)
Pieters then McNeil's handballs at Burnley
Ward-Prowse's handball against Southampton

The biggest issue is the inconsistency. Kane looked offside from the ball to Son when he scored Spurs' conselation goal at the Lane but that wasn't (obviously) checked whereas they spent 4 mins determining whether Lundstram - four passes and one clearance previously was offside at White Hart Lane. The second biggest issue is that it's being used as a binary, definitive decision when the framerates don't allow for the required margin of error to be calculated - as with the offsides given against Lundstram and Mousset (and Diogo Jota and Roberto Firmino and others).
 
Balham Blade said:
Our VAR decisions:
Against:
Correct:
McBurnie's disallowed goal against Southampton if you believe that Egan touched the ball
Shelvey's goal given after incorrect offside
Egan's disallowed goal against Brighton - it hit his hand
O'Connell's disallowed goal against Brighton - miles offside
Ward's rescinded red card for Palace

Debatable:
Mousset's disallowed goal against Man City - Mousset at full tilt, too much margin for error for a tight offside call

Wrong:
McGoldrick's goal against Spurs. Even if you accept that Lundstram was offside the initial cross was cleared resetting the play

In favour:
Correct:
Snodgrass's disallowed goal for West Ham - Rice fouled Egan then handled the ball
Kane's disallowed goal for Spurs - Moura fouled but the ball hit his arm
Basham's rescinded red card at Norwich

Not given:
Norwood's goal against Villa (done to death)
Pieters then McNeil's handballs at Burnley
Ward-Prowse's handball against Southampton

The biggest issue is the inconsistency. Kane looked offside from the ball to Son when he scored Spurs' conselation goal at the Lane but that wasn't (obviously) checked whereas they spent 4 mins determining whether Lundstram - four passes and one clearance previously was offside at White Hart Lane. The second biggest issue is that it's being used as a binary, definitive decision when the framerates don't allow for the required margin of error to be calculated - as with the offsides given against Lundstram and Mousset (and Diogo Jota and Roberto Firmino and others).
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According to the 'phases of play' law around VAR, Lundstram is allowed to be called offside in the build up to McGoldrick's goal.
A clearance does not count as the end of a phase, for multiple reasons according to the law.

Even though I too believe it should have stood.
The McGoldrick goal at Spurs and Kane goal at the Lane should both be goals imo, i'm very aware they go against the laws though.
 
Trafford said:
Have we been ‘awarded’ anything by VAR this season? We’ve benefited from decisions being iverturned, eg goals and sendings off, but I can’t remember any positive interventions, eg penalties awarded or offsides overruled?
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Basham at Norwich
Declan Rice
Harry Kane
McBurnie v Man U
#bias
 
stringer said:
Basham at Norwich
Declan Rice
Harry Kane
McBurnie v Man U
#bias
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Its probably my wording, I should just have said that VAR has not intervened to give us any goals or opportunities to score goals, ie penalties. Basham, Rice and Kane corrected a referee’s mistake; McBurnie confirmed the ref’s decision; but we’ve not been awarded a penalty or given a goal despite a general consensus that VAR should have intervened.
 
Trafford said:
Its probably my wording, I should just have said that VAR has not intervened to give us any goals or opportunities to score goals, ie penalties. Basham, Rice and Kane corrected a referee’s mistake; McBurnie confirmed the ref’s decision; but we’ve not been awarded a penalty or given a goal despite a general consensus that VAR should have intervened.
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On the other hand VAR hasn't intervened and awarded pens when it could have, Arsenal could have had one in the 1-0 at the Lane and Burnley had a few shouts.
 
Brian Blessed said:
On the other hand VAR hasn't intervened and awarded pens when it could have, Arsenal could have had one in the 1-0 at the Lane and Burnley had a few shouts.
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Get with the programme, the whole system is biased...
 
Balham Blade said:
Our VAR decisions:
Against:
Correct:
McBurnie's disallowed goal against Southampton if you believe that Egan touched the ball
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This was offside regardless of whether Egan touched it:

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
  • challenging an opponent for the ball or
  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
It could be debated whether this impacted an opponent but it's pretty obvious that the Southampton keeper reacts to Egan attempting to head the ball rather than following its eventual path to McBurnie who puts it in.

Wrong:
McGoldrick's goal against Spurs. Even if you accept that Lundstram was offside the initial cross was cleared resetting the play
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Annoyingly - and believe me, I think this is a bullshit flaw in the whole system - the whole "resetting play" thing is entirely down to the subjective interpretation of the video assistant referee. In this instance the VAR decided that Spurs' clearance did not "reset play"; another VAR might have decided completely the opposite. The Premier League's guidance on this is a nonsense:

"The starting point for a phase of play that leads to a goal or penalty incident will be limited to the immediate phase and not necessarily go back to when the attacking team gained possession.

Other factors for consideration will be the ability of the defence to reset and the momentum of the attack."

That's it - the whole guidance. Could mean anything in any context, which I suppose is exactly the point.

Kane looked offside from the ball to Son when he scored Spurs' conselation goal at the Lane but that wasn't
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It didn't matter that Kane was in an offside position when the ball was played to Son, all that mattered was that he was onside when Son passed the ball to him. Had he done some of the things listed above eg clearly attempted to play the initial ball to Son or impeded a defender, that's a different matter, but to paraphrase another poster on another thread about this, Kane could've been sat on the goal line having a fag when that initial pass is played to Son, as long as he got onside before Son plays it across.
 
Tierney and Oliver again. Nailed on pen for Spurs.
 
Another great decision by VAR in favour of Man Utd.
 



Softest penalty I've seen this season
Man Utd player stamps on the Villa defender = Man Utd penalty
 
Don't forget Leicester's second goal against us, no intervention clear foul they only had to look.
 
Love the way none of the (ManU) pundits can bring themselves to say the decision should have been overturned 😆 - great choices Sky
 
Never ever been a penalty
Anyone who's played junior football could see that
What on earth are the VAR team doing
 
Only one more penalty for man utd to set a Premier league record. Rashford was trying his best in the first half. Cheating cunts.
 



Bash falling over yesterday was more of a penalty than that Man U one.

Fernandez had too much momentum and fucked it up, and it was more out of the box than in.

Stinks like a black bag full of discarded kebab logs on the side of a stagnant pond.
 
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