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Kozluk and Taylor should be no where near the first X1 Kozluk is not good enough and Taylor has never looked like being good enough!
 
Blade58 said:
The only thing that lets taylor down is his pace.

If he were like the old proverbial whippet, I'd be happy with him.

Personally, I think we do need a left back as well as a rb.
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The only problem I have with Taylor is the fact that he wears a United shirt
 
I think I am right in saying that premierleague teams now have to register 25 players for august to january and then january to end of the season now.

Looking at Spurs squad they have too many players so it is likely Naughton and Walker will be loaned out, especially considering they have just gone up a level to play CL.

Because of the new rule I don't think your going to see as many last day loans/signings because PL clubs are not going to want to take the risk that they have these types of players who won't qualify to play 1st team football.

Could be interesting, however I seem to have gone from being worried about our defence to a lack of goals.
 
sheffielder said:
I think I am right in saying that premierleague teams now have to register 25 players for august to january and then january to end of the season now.
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I've not even heard of this.

I know they have to register 25 people for Eurpoean competitions. But it would seem bizarre to do it for the domestic season.
 
Robbie said:
I've not even heard of this.

I know they have to register 25 people for Eurpoean competitions. But it would seem bizarre to do it for the domestic season.
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There's a 'squad cap' in place from this season of 25 players of which 8 must be 'home grown'. There's loads of rules and regs about what a home grown player is. On top of the squad of 25, clubs can have an unlimited amount of players under 21. The squads have to be finalised at the end of each transfer window which I guess will lead to lots of comings and goings at the end of next month.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Yeah AlienWoody, how dare you criticise someone you've only seen for a full season.
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A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?
 
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?

Kyle Walker became a regular last season under the same conditions having played 80 less first team games and it didn't seem to bother him.
 
Revolution said:
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?

Kyle Walker became a regular last season under the same conditions having played 80 less first team games and it didn't seem to bother him.
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Sometimes lack of experience can help, less fear. As a home grown local lad, Walker would also have been given more leeway than Taylor as discussed elsewhere and didn't have to win the fans over initially. Not saying Taylor is looking as good as the Kyle's, just saying the situation regarding his 'acceptance' is different and his mistakes scrutinsed far more.

There were plenty on BU slagging Naysmith off during the Robson era but you'd think he was the best left back we'd ever seen the season after.
 
There were plenty on BU slagging Naysmith off during the Robson era but you'd think he was the best left back we'd ever seen the season after.

I have never been a BU poster so can't comment. I would agree Naysmith was better the season after, although Naysmith's career record suggested he might improve. Taylor has no such track record.
 
Revolution said:
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?

Kyle Walker became a regular last season under the same conditions having played 80 less first team games and it didn't seem to bother him.
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Errr......Which is why, I assume, Spurs paid mucho foldo for him in the first place. Bob said a young player 'stepping up' and we loaned Walker from Spurs which is a step down is it not?

And he made a good few mistakes, which tend to go by unmentioned as he's 'one of ours!'
 
Errr......Which is why, I assume, Spurs paid mucho foldo for him in the first place. Bob said a young player 'stepping up' and we loaned Walker from Spurs which is a step down is it not?

Oh come on. Walker was a Spurs player but he was hardly Ledley King. He'd never played a competitive match for them. He'd played, what, 5 first team games? There was tremendous pressure on him. His situation was different from Taylor, sure, but he faced the same problems.

The point is that Taylor's poor performance last year cannot be laid solely at the door of disruption caused by other events. I am prepared to concede that it's easier for a young player to come into a good, settled side than a bad, unsettled one, but 20 odd games is surely enough evidence for the proposition that a full season of Taylor at left back is unlikely to be a good thing.
 



Revolution said:
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?

Kyle Walker became a regular last season under the same conditions having played 80 less first team games and it didn't seem to bother him.
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Yes but Kyle Walker probably comes under the catergory "Exceptional bit of talent" which is why he commanded a £2m+ transfer fee after less than 20 professional games. Your point is invalid
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?
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It may have been Bob, I just don't think he came through it with flying colours. Let's not forget there were times in the season when Hoofy actually preferred Jordan Stewart to Taylor. What does that say about his performances?
For what it's worth I think he will improve, positionally at any rate. You can't learn speed though and he will have to come on an awful lot to make up for his basic lack of mobility.
Perhaps if we had better fullbacks then Hoofy might play attacking wingers instead of auxilliary full backs in that position.
 
Yes but Kyle Walker probably comes under the catergory "Exceptional bit of talent" which is why he commanded a £2m+ transfer fee after less than 20 professional games. Your point is invalid

Oh, I see. I can't use Kyle Walker as an example of someone coping with a situation better than Andy Taylor because, er, he's better than Andy Taylor. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Revolution said:
Yes but Kyle Walker probably comes under the catergory "Exceptional bit of talent" which is why he commanded a £2m+ transfer fee after less than 20 professional games. Your point is invalid

Oh, I see. I can't use Kyle Walker as an example of someone coping with a situation better than Andy Taylor because, er, he's better than Andy Taylor. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Ched Evans should be sold. Lionel Messi is much better than him.
 
Revolution said:
Yes but Kyle Walker probably comes under the catergory "Exceptional bit of talent" which is why he commanded a £2m+ transfer fee after less than 20 professional games. Your point is invalid

Oh, I see. I can't use Kyle Walker as an example of someone coping with a situation better than Andy Taylor because, er, he's better than Andy Taylor. Thanks for clearing that up.
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You can use Kyle Walker, but it's a poor example because of what Rev is saying. Taylor isn't in the £2m+ bracket for good reason, he isn't that good!
Which means his limited ability will be stretched to the extreme coming into a totally disjointed defence, ergo a player with more ability will cope better with the same situation. You can apply your argument to almost any player bar the absolute elite!
 
Revolution said:
A young player making the step up, in his first season with us, thrown into an ever changing back four with a different keeper every couple of weeks.
Bit of a baptism of fire don't you think?

Kyle Walker became a regular last season under the same conditions having played 80 less first team games and it didn't seem to bother him.
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Walker had been through the club academy, he'd trained with the first team squad for a season, and had plenty of support/contacts throughout the club.
Taylor had none of this. Plus I'm one of the fans who think Walker while a good player and talented was far from faultless last season, getting caught numerous times in possession which lead to goals, or rashly diving in when out of position. This was with the support system he had in place at the club, Taylor was new to everything and had to settle.


In fact reading on SEB seems to have summed it up.
 
Baptism of fire, pressure, changing back four - maybe.

Ability to run above snail pace - definitely not

Any player as slow as Taylor needs to be very technically gifted and / or very clever. He's none of these, and wont make a top championship full back. We might get away with it, but a team of 11 players of similar overall ability to taylor will see us fighting against relegation.

UTB
 
Indeed. Do you want the No8 shirt or can I have it?
 
broomhillblade said:
Excellent bit of pre-season planning there – getting your whipping boy in place nice and early!
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Taylor was Dire last season and to be fair dire makes him sound good.
I'm not one to normally knock a player and I hope he proves me wrong, but he won't.
I wonder what other treasures we can unearth from Tranmere reserves
 
Ever wondered why there's only ever a cup-a-soup for tea by the time you get in?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Walker had been through the club academy, he'd trained with the first team squad for a season, and had plenty of support/contacts throughout the club.
Taylor had none of this. Plus I'm one of the fans who think Walker while a good player and talented was far from faultless last season, getting caught numerous times in possession which lead to goals, or rashly diving in when out of position. This was with the support system he had in place at the club, Taylor was new to everything and had to settle.


In fact reading on SEB seems to have summed it up.
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Bang on Bob, couldn't believe Harry took him back and put him in the team when he was getting caught so many times, leading to goals and rashly diving in.
 



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