Koz is back !

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Tells me that you always need to start a new thread when there are around 3 or 4 existing ones on the very same topic...
 
Houso said:
Tells me that you always need to start a new thread when there are around 3 or 4 existing ones on the very same topic...
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Oh dear ............. i'm terribly sorry... i didn't see one saying Koz is back! ......must have missed it.... so sorry sorry sorry.

that do yer ?
 
It tell us that we have taken a huge retrograde step at right back, even if he is only there to warm the bench. It's also quite a blow to Lawton who could do as good a job as Kozluk on less wages.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It tell us that we have taken a huge retrograde step at right back, even if he is only there to warm the bench. It's also quite a blow to Lawton who could do as good a job as Kozluk on less wages.
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Finally, you are accepting that Kyle Walker was a truly brilliant player in second tier?
 
Micalijo said:
Finally, you are accepting that Kyle Walker was a truly brilliant player in second tier?
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Don't think I mentioned Walker at all. Unless you are turning into Len and trying to misrepresent what I said. I never said Walker wasn't a very good player. I said he made big mistakes last season which cost us goals, his attitude wasn't good, and he wasn't learning from his mistakes. All of which were true and I still believe that his attitude deserve his being dropped for a game if his ego needed it.

I think I have been pretty constant on this opinion, and my opinion on Kozzy coming back. £3 Million was a good deal for Walker, and he isn't now worth the £5-6 Million Len and others were stating. This will be proven out at the end of the season when he leaves for nowhere near that amount.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Don't think I mentioned Walker at all. Unless you are turning into Len and trying to misrepresent what I said. I never said Walker wasn't a very good player. I said he made big mistakes last season which cost us goals, his attitude wasn't good, and he wasn't learning from his mistakes. All of which were true and I still believe that his attitude deserve his being dropped for a game if his ego needed it.
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I do apologise. I was thinking that Kyle was our RB for a decent part of last season and by saying our new signing is a huge retrograde step, I thought perhaps you were comparing him with Kozzy - unless you were talking about the magnificence of Connolly that is? Obviously I was wrong.

Kyle was our best attacking players and probably made up for his mistakes with assists. Not sure of the stats but to criticise his attitude is laughable for me. I assume you are trying to say he was cocky, thinking he was miles better than everyone else? Well for me he was miles better than anyone else. Often had to beat men due to a ridiculous lack of options in front of him etc. Dropping one of best players in the division - even Blackie wouldn't do that. Only real bad one for me was at Coventry - when he was playing at centre-back because our manager had failed to do his job and provide the club with a balanced squad of players.
 
Micalijo said:
I do apologise. I was thinking that Kyle was our RB for a decent part of last season and by saying our new signing is a huge retrograde step, I thought perhaps you were comparing him with Kozzy - unless you were talking about the magnificence of Connolly that is? Obviously I was wrong.
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Oh you think Kozzy is going to be our first choice right back. That was your first mistake, I made it quite clear I was talking about bench warming.
You might want to read the original post more carefully before you start with the smart arse comments. You just end up looking daft, desperate to score cheep points even if it means making up what you want the OP to say.

Micalijo said:
Kyle was our best attacking players and probably made up for his mistakes with assists. Not sure of the stats but to criticise his attitude is laughable for me. I assume you are trying to say he was cocky, thinking he was miles better than everyone else? Well for me he was miles better than anyone else. Often had to beat men due to a ridiculous lack of options in front of him etc. Dropping one of best players in the division - even Blackie wouldn't do that. Only real bad one for me was at Coventry - when he was playing at centre-back because our manager had failed to do his job and provide the club with a balanced squad of players.
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Defenders don't make up for mistakes with assists. How did his mistake against Newcastle get made up for, or the one against Cardiff where he dived in on the halfway line?
Ask people who would know about his attitude recently and see what you get back. It seems he's turned into a bit of a Berty, something that will be addressed when Spurs probably move him on in the summer. Good player, great potental, but needs to improve to meet it.
 
Hilarious. We're resigning Kozzy and someone's dissing Walker's performances last season.
First class comedy posting.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Don't think I mentioned Walker at all. Unless you are turning into Len and trying to misrepresent what I said. I never said Walker wasn't a very good player. I said he made big mistakes last season which cost us goals, his attitude wasn't good, and he wasn't learning from his mistakes. All of which were true and I still believe that his attitude deserve his being dropped for a game if his ego needed it.

I think I have been pretty constant on this opinion, and my opinion on Kozzy coming back. £3 Million was a good deal for Walker, and he isn't now worth the £5-6 Million Len and others were stating. This will be proven out at the end of the season when he leaves for nowhere near that amount.
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Fair enough re cheap shot etc - I knew you were talking about bench warming but can you at least accept that people (me anyway) were not saying he is now worth £5m after 6 months of basically not playing. He almost certainly isn't worth £5m now imo, I agree. The argument was that had he stayed with us and played a full season for us at the level he played at before the loan was terminated (ie 40 plus games in 9/10 under perhaps a new contract) there was a chance that Spurs or someone else would have paid £5m for him now. It is/was a totally different basis of valuing him to the one which I think you mention which is a scenario of Spurs moving him on this summer.
 
Micalijo said:
Fair enough re cheap shot etc - I knew you were talking about bench warming but can you at least accept that people (me anyway) were not saying he is now worth £5m after 6 months of basically not playing. He almost certainly isn't worth £5m now imo, I agree. The argument was that had he stayed with us and played a full season for us at the level he played at before the loan was terminated (ie 40 plus games in 9/10 under perhaps a new contract) there was a chance that Spurs or someone else would have paid £5m for him now. It is/was a totally different basis of valuing him to the one which I think you mention which is a scenario of Spurs moving him on this summer.
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I would agree, but I was mocked by your alter ego Len when I said Spurs won't get £5 Million for him. Then again Len was too busy laying into Bartley at the time.

Bartley would be certainly a step forward, but with Noz on his way we might be decently covered at centre half. I just don't see why we are wasting money on Kozluk when we have decent kids to bring in.

Just to make my position crystal clear. I'd welcome Walker back, I think he is a good player, with great potential, but he needs to have a look at himself and decide how far he wants to go in the game.
 
Micalijo said:
Fair enough re cheap shot etc - I knew you were talking about bench warming but can you at least accept that people (me anyway) were not saying he is now worth £5m after 6 months of basically not playing. He almost certainly isn't worth £5m now imo, I agree. The argument was that had he stayed with us and played a full season for us at the level he played at before the loan was terminated (ie 40 plus games in 9/10 under perhaps a new contract) there was a chance that Spurs or someone else would have paid £5m for him now. It is/was a totally different basis of valuing him to the one which I think you mention which is a scenario of Spurs moving him on this summer.
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No one would pay £5M for a second tier right back in this financial climate - no matter how good he is!

I do see the logic behind what you're saying though.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I would agree, but I was mocked by your alter ego Len when I said Spurs won't get £5 Million for him. Then again Len was too busy laying into Bartley at the time.

Bartley would be certainly a step forward, but with Noz on his way we might be decently covered at centre half. I just don't see why we are wasting money on Kozluk when we have decent kids to bring in.

Just to make my position crystal clear. I'd welcome Walker back, I think he is a good player, with great potential, but he needs to have a look at himself and decide how far he wants to go in the game.
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See I have nothing against Kozluk coming back apart from this. This point is the only reason why I cant understand it. We have Lowton (who looks a decent player) as cover down the right sided positions. Looking at it like that, it makes the Kozluk signing seem surplus.
 

Kozzy will do more than warm the bench if he's here. He'll find his way into the team, he's that kind of character - a cheerleader to replace Geary.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I would agree, but I was mocked by your alter ego Len when I said Spurs won't get £5 Million for him. Then again Len was too busy laying into Bartley at the time.

Bartley would be certainly a step forward, but with Noz on his way we might be decently covered at centre half. I just don't see why we are wasting money on Kozluk when we have decent kids to bring in.

Just to make my position crystal clear. I'd welcome Walker back, I think he is a good player, with great potential, but he needs to have a look at himself and decide how far he wants to go in the game.
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Spurs won't get £5m for him? Who knows? Can't even see why how much Spurs will get for him is an issue. I didn't know they were selling him.
His value was to us. We got our £3m, McCabe's got some of his money back, we're now signing Kozzy and you're commenting on Walker not being up to scratch last season.
It's a funny old world.
 
lenners said:
Spurs won't get £5m for him? Who knows? Can't even see why how much Spurs will get for him is an issue.
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mainly because you said they would.

we're now signing Kozzy and you're commenting on Walker not being up to scratch last season.
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Again not what I said, you really ought to learn to read what people are saying before you comment on it.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
mainly because you said they would.


Again not what I said, you really ought to learn to read what people are saying before you comment on it.
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Who knows? Who really cares? We got £3m and that's that.
Obviously we're going to lose more than £3m for now being a much poorer side, failing to get into the play-offs, loss of season ticket sales, loss of commercial revenue etc, etc.
But those kind of things don't matter. We has got us our £3m.
 
lenners said:
Who knows? Who really cares? We got £3m and that's that.
Obviously we're going to lose more than £3m for now being a much poorer side, failing to get into the play-offs, loss of season ticket sales, loss of commercial revenue etc, etc.
But those kind of things don't matter. We has got us our £3m.
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Unfortunately having Walker doesn't guarantee you a playoff position never mind promotion to the PL. Unless you think it does, in which case I eco your its a funny world comment.
I thought you'd stay away from ST after your comment on how many we wouldn't sell, that Wednesday were selling more than us, and how we wouldn't get over 10,000 at the first renewal date.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Unfortunately having Walker doesn't guarantee you a playoff position never mind promotion to the PL. Unless you think it does, in which case I eco your its a funny world comment.
I thought you'd stay away from ST after your comment on how many we wouldn't sell, that Wednesday were selling more than us, and how we wouldn't get over 10,000 at the first renewal date.
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What are the latest season ticket sales Bob?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
999 + 1 more down on this time last season.

More than you said we would sell.
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I thought we'd be about 5,000 down, mebbes it'll be nearer 3/4,000.
Either way, it's a lot of people who've walked away and it'll be a damn sight harder getting them back.
 
lenners said:
I thought we'd be about 5,000 down, mebbes it'll be nearer 3/4,000.
Either way, it's a lot of people who've walked away and it'll be a damn sight harder getting them back.
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You were talking of crowds under 18,000, and not getting as many renewals at Wednesday. That's close to 7,000 ST walking away. You are now saying 5,000 and then edging your bets on 3/4000. So that's 7000, 5000, 4000, and 3000, all covered. No wonder you always think you are right you don't give a straight answer and attempt to cover the bases.
Even if we took your 5000 down on last season that would make 14,000 ST a figure we have already past.

Given the current economic climate I would say a +90% retention rate is doing ok at this stage.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You were talking of crowds under 18,000, and not getting as many renewals at Wednesday. That's close to 7,000 ST walking away. You are now saying 5,000 and then edging your bets on 3/4000. So that's 7000, 5000, 4000, and 3000, all covered. No wonder you always think you are right you don't give a straight answer and attempt to cover the bases.
Even if we took your 5000 down on last season that would make 14,000 ST a figure we have already past.

Given the current economic climate I would say a +90% retention rate is doing ok at this stage.
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I always thought about 5,000. If we've sold more than 14,000, how many have we actually sold?
 
Now who brought Walker up? Why by bob not mentioning something do people read between lines and automatically assume something?
For what its worth he probably cost us more goals than anyone apart from Bunn. (i still think he was a good player and could be again). That was last season.Kozzy being back is a measure of where we are not where we woukld like to be.
 
Blimey KB releases all the trialists as they werent up to much yet signs Kozzy???

Boy they must have been poor then, WTF are our scots doing???
 

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