SUFC England hopefuls

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I want them to get called up, I just don't want them to play.

Call ups are just pats on the back and they deserve them. I'd love for JOC, Bash, Baldock, Hendo and Lunny to be recognised for their efforts.

Southgate can still pick the same old shite to actually play though so we get them back fresh.

One option but without playing would they get a cap?

 

[bromtom]

One option but without playing would they get a cap?

No I think they'd have to get on the pitch for a cap.

 

[Digs blade]

They really deserve to be in the fringes now at the very least.

For some reason Southgate sees Pope, Rice, Stones, Delph, Dier etc as better options. Baffling!!!!

 

[FMBlade1]

Southgate was there yesterday.

Henderson a mixed bag (great save from freekick but lucky that the goal was disallowed and Anderson missed the first halve chance), JOC does what JOC does, Lundstram below par but no worse than Rice.

Thought Basham did well again but nothing on earth would get him in the squad even if they were all struck down by the plague.

 

[FMBlade1]

Actually just thought of something. Mousett arrived in England in the summer of 2016.

So by summer next year (2021) he will have been a UK resident for five years.

Does that not mean that he would be eligible to play for England if he hasn't been already professionally capped by then?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Actually just thought of something. Mousett arrived in England in the summer of 2016.

So by summer next year (2021) he will have been a UK resident for five years.

Does that not mean that he would be eligible to play for England if he hasn't been already professionally capped by then?

Les Mouse

 

[BladeInIreland]

He will have been there to watch the west ham players. It's like a rule they have to have average players in the squad.

 

[FMBlade1]

Les Mouse

This has happened a fair bit with other nations. Diego Costa was born in Brazil then came over to Europe and played competitively for Spain after living there for several years, even though he had represented his birth nation in several friendlies prior to that.

Think there was talk of Arteta being called up for England years ago but nothing came of it, not sure England have ever done it for an 'older' player.

Of course in cricket it's quite common, Jofre Archer being the most prominent example.

 

[Nedski]

I genuinely believe Bash has a real chance of a call up. He's got the heart of a lion (or three), he's consistently surpassed expectations, he's taken each promotion in his stride and has not once looked out of place, and is a genuinely good player. Has anyone shown the same consistency over the last 4 years?

I'd absolutely love to see him in the squad even if he's nowhere near the first 11. If anyone deserves it, it's him.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I genuinely believe Bash has a real chance of a call up. He's got the heart of a lion (or three), he's consistently surpassed expectations, he's taken each promotion in his stride and has not once looked out of place, and is a genuinely good player. Has anyone shown the same consistency over the last 4 years?

I'd absolutely love to see him in the squad even if he's nowhere near the first 11. If anyone deserves it, it's him.

Won’t happen but he should be.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Actually just thought of something. Mousett arrived in England in the summer of 2016.

So by summer next year (2021) he will have been a UK resident for five years.

Does that not mean that he would be eligible to play for England if he hasn't been already professionally capped by then?

Once we have Brexited & the interim period comes to an end, Mousset will need to apply for a Work Permit to be allowed to play for Utd. Depending on whether the UK get any/the right deal, he might not be granted permission to work in the UK. Take back control......

 

[Bert]

Once we have Brexited & the interim period comes to an end, Mousset will need to apply for a Work Permit to be allowed to play for Utd. Depending on whether the UK get any/the right deal, he might not be granted permission to work in the UK. Take back control......

Absolutely zero chance of that ridiculous scenario happening.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Absolutely zero chance of that ridiculous scenario happening.

The football work permit regulations for foreign nationals are well established. I used to help maintain the algorithm used. Essentially, must have played a lot of games for a high ranked international team. Mousset doesn't meet that long established criteria. Take back control.....

 

[Carlton Blade]

The football work permit regulations for foreign nationals are well established. I used to help maintain the algorithm used. Essentially, must have played a lot of games for a high ranked international team. Mousset doesn't meet that long established criteria. Take back control.....

I used to work there. Country have to be ranked in the top 75. And you had to have played a % (can't remember what) of competitive internationals over the previous 2 years

 

[Bert]

The football work permit regulations for foreign nationals are well established. I used to help maintain the algorithm used. Essentially, must have played a lot of games for a high ranked international team. Mousset doesn't meet that long established criteria. Take back control.....

So you seriously think that he'll have to leave the country?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

So you seriously think that he'll have to leave the country?

If I've said or implied that, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. But, foreign national footballers will clearly need some sort of permission/permit to pursue their trade in the UK. Just like Plumbers or Bankers. There has been an awful lot of talk about Points Systems for immigrants. And, the regulations for non-EU foreign national footballers are clear & well established. The UK voted in the referendum, subsequently endorsed by voting in a large Parliamentary majority, to change the work permit status of EU Nationals like Mousset. OK, there may be a decision to keep free movement of Labour with EU countries. Or to grant time limited work permits to those workers already in the UK. But, that is obviously unclear at the moment. Look at it another way. Thousands of aspiring UK footballers voted for Brexit, with the expectation that foreign players would no longer be taking their jobs. They want control taking back.....

 

[Bert]

Thousands of aspiring UK footballers voted for Brexit, with the expectation that foreign players would no longer be taking their jobs.

Do you have a link to these figures?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Do you have a link to these figures?

Of course not. I'm taking a factual & neutral position of - country voted for Brexit, Parliament have passed the relevant Bill, that will eventually mean Work Permits or some other arrangement for immigrant workers from EU countries, including footballers, and we know what the current regulations are for non-EU footballers, and that Mousset wouldn't qualify under those regulations

 

[Bert]

Of course not. I'm taking a factual & neutral position of - country voted for Brexit, Parliament have passed the relevant Bill, that will eventually mean Work Permits or some other arrangement for immigrant workers from EU countries, including footballers, and we know what the current regulations are for non-EU footballers, and that Mousset wouldn't qualify under those regulations

Mousset won't be judged under the non-EU regulations though will he? It will be entirely different.
It might be better for us if he was though, half the Premier league players will be thrown out.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Mousset won't be judged under the non-EU regulations though will he? It will be entirely different.
It might be better for us if he was though, half the Premier league players will be thrown out.

There will need to be some regulations for EU immigrants working in the UK. Those have not been decided yet. I am not able to let you know the regulations under which Mousset will be judged. You & me are saying the same thing aren't we? I'm not sure what you're coming back at me with....

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Mousset won't be judged under the non-EU regulations though will he? It will be entirely different.
It might be better for us if he was though, half the Premier league players will be thrown out.

I guess I'm saying - there will be an awful lot of disappointed voters (for clarity, I don't have those figures) if immigration regulations for EU workers AFTER Brexit are essentially the same as they were BEFORE Brexit. Do you not guage that as the mood....?

 

[McGrath]

Now Norwood has retired from playing for Northern Ireland. Can he now play for England?

He is English after all!

 

[Bert]

I guess I'm saying - there will be an awful lot of disappointed voters (for clarity, I don't have those figures) if immigration regulations for EU workers AFTER Brexit are essentially the same as they were BEFORE Brexit. Do you not guage that as the mood....?

Bert thinks that providing they have a job and are self sufficient EU nationals shouldn't have too much trouble living and working here. They'll have to pay for the NHS though just like none EU immigrants do for the first 5 years.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Bert thinks that providing they have a job and are self sufficient EU nationals shouldn't have too much trouble living and working here. They'll have to pay for the NHS though just like none EU immigrants do for the first 5 years.

Happy to read your opinion. A lot of immigration policy around the world has a feel of only granting work permits to immigrants where there is no national worker capable of doing the job to the required standard. A "quality" threshold if you will. In football that quality is set by the lot of games for a high ranked team criteria - established internationals only. As you hope/expect maybe that quality threshold will be dropped post Brexit. And it becomes just job & money. That still feels to me like it will upset the - coming over here, taking our jobs - voters.

 

[Sithblade]

Happy to read your opinion. A lot of immigration policy around the world has a feel of only granting work permits to immigrants where there is no national worker capable of doing the job to the required standard. A "quality" threshold if you will. In football that quality is set by the lot of games for a high ranked team criteria - established internationals only. As you hope/expect maybe that quality threshold will be dropped post Brexit. And it becomes just job & money. That still feels to me like it will upset the - coming over here, taking our jobs - voters.

He's already been in the UK 4 years, so will be granted settled status in 2021 or pre settled stay a if he applied this year.
As long as you have a job in UK and lived here the required period or will meet it with pre settled status it's straight forward to remain in UK.

Apply to the EU Settlement Scheme (settled and pre-settled status)

The EU Settlement Scheme for EU citizens and their families to remain in the UK after it leaves the EU ('Brexit'): who's eligible, how to apply, how much it costs.

www.gov.uk

 

[Lowen]

Actually just thought of something. Mousett arrived in England in the summer of 2016.

So by summer next year (2021) he will have been a UK resident for five years.

Does that not mean that he would be eligible to play for England if he hasn't been already professionally capped by then?

This would only be possible if he hadn’t represented any of France’s youth teams which he has. It’s the reason Arteta couldn’t play for England I believe, maybe I’m wrong but that’s my understanding. He is however eligible for Senegal and if I was them I’d be trying to persuade him to switch asap.

 

[FMBlade1]

This would only be possible if he hadn’t represented any of France’s youth teams which he has. It’s the reason Arteta couldn’t play for England I believe, maybe I’m wrong but that’s my understanding. He is however eligible for Senegal and if I was them I’d be trying to persuade him to switch asap.

Zaha played for England Under 21's and various youth teams and now plays for Ivory Coast so I think Mousset would be eligible for England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfried_Zaha#England_(2011–2013)

Would he want to play for England though if France refused to give him a look in?

It would be extremely controversial.

 

[Lowen]

Zaha played for England Under 21's and various youth teams and now plays for Ivory Coast so I think Mousset would be eligible for England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfried_Zaha#England_(2011–2013)

Would he want to play for England though if France refused to give him a look in?

It would be extremely controversial.

If you’re eligible via heritage, like Zaha with Ivory Coast then it doesn’t apply but for naturalisation it matters whether you previously played in youth teams.

 

[YES Blade]

Happy to read your opinion. A lot of immigration policy around the world has a feel of only granting work permits to immigrants where there is no national worker capable of doing the job to the required standard. A "quality" threshold if you will. In football that quality is set by the lot of games for a high ranked team criteria - established internationals only. As you hope/expect maybe that quality threshold will be dropped post Brexit. And it becomes just job & money. That still feels to me like it will upset the - coming over here, taking our jobs - voters.

The Premier League contributes billions in tax to the UK government, so I’m sure they will make a special case for football and footballers in terms of immigration.

Why would the government rock the boat and hamper one of countries biggest exports? It would only allow Spain, Italy or Germany to increase their tax revenues at our expense.

 

[FMBlade1]

If you’re eligible via heritage, like Zaha with Ivory Coast then it doesn’t apply but for naturalisation it matters whether you previously played in youth teams.

FIFA eligibility rules - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You seem to be absolutely right, unfortunately!

Would have loved to have seen Mousset play for England