Anybody think that Wilder is helping to change attitudes about British managers and British players in the P.L.?

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he started playing crown green bowls.:oops: (death knell imo!).
I'm 65 now but I started playing crown green bowls with an elderly uncle from Conisbrough in my 20s. It's a challenging and skillful game, and my elderly uncle was a really interesting character. TBF, he is dead now. :)
 



There was more of a pattern emerging of clubs being managed by people who support or care about the club. Some have since been sacked or resigned.

Neil Harris - Milwall
Chris Wilder - Sheffield United
Martin O'Neill - Nottingham Florist
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - Manchester United
Dean Smith - Aston Villa
Jonathan Woodgate - Middlesbrough
Frank Lampard - Chelsea
Steve Bruce - Newcastle
Eddie Howe - Bournemouth

There are probably more examples throughout the football league.

It's arguably proven to be a successful formula. If a manager cares about the club then the players have to try harder.

O'Neill could have had success but managers are not allowed more than 12 months at Forest these days. Promotion or you're sacked. No wonder they're only reached the play offs once in 20 years, and we all know how that ended!👍
 
I'm 65 now but I started playing crown green bowls with an elderly uncle from Conisbrough in my 20s. It's a challenging and skillful game, and my elderly uncle was a really interesting character. TBF, he is dead now. :)
You're doomed a tell ye! ;)

Tbh - my brother's got such a lot from it too. He's County President or summat now and he goes off all over the place with it. He went to some Greek island this summer, about 20 of them from the bowls club - they had a fantastic time. He's found something in that, it's a big social thing for him and I think, good on 'yer! Similarly with my mother in law - she took it up when her husband died. Gave her a real sense of purpose and got her out meeting folks. Better than moping around the house and letting the mind fester.
 
In retirement we have channelled our efforts towards older people charities and it's very rewarding, if a bit repetitive to be honest.

What occurs to me on this forum though is the amount of time fathers with young children spend on here. Every day you see mothers and fathers on phone screens when they are out and about and their kids look so glum; they always need attention and the sight of the parent's phone is immediately a signal of lack of that attention. The kids know full well.

I think it's great that you are doing things for others. I've always been very sceptical of charities - mainly wondering if the money, or how much of it, actually gets to those it's supposed to be for, as opposed to running some great big corporate enterprise off the back of it. But if we were all cynical about it then I guess more people would suffer. I support local charities, especially Children's Hospital and St Luke's. But I'm not for dipping my hand in the pocket to save the grey whale, and I generally don't give to the big corporate charities.

I set up a not-for-profit company about 8 years ago, which is not a "charity" as such, but we do work for less advantaged people, of an educational nature. It's very rewarding to feel that I'm actually doing somebody some good somehow!

I don't know anyone on this forum, but I can relate to the "non-parenting" approach that you describe and it's really not something I'm very keen on. Me and the missus were out cycling a few weeks ago. We did about 40 miles from Chesterfield out to the River Trent, near Gainsborough. Then we got the train back (too knackered to cycle 80 miles!). On the train to Retford - a young mum, in her 20's, a young child, maybe 2 or 3 years old, and what appeared to be the grandparents. The mum is on her phone all the time. The kid is playing up trying to get attention - and grandma and grandad are trying to step in and distract the kid. Not good!

It's dead easy to be a parent if that's what you think parenting is about. But done properly it's bloody hard work but worth every minute.
 
I've read both threads now and I think they are about the same thing...

Anger. Probably linked to low testosterone levels, but made worse by such things as:

defeat in the egg and spoon race on school sports day, a lowly examination grade, critical parents, a menial job where efforts went unappreciated, a missed promotion, jilted lovers, a partnership that went septic, financial jeopardy, unreliable friends, an estranged family, fading health, a feeling of a lack of personal fulfilment.

There was a good article I read a while ago and it said there are 7 ways to spot if you are becoming a grumpy old person:

1. You refuse to make new friends
2. Clothes exist for function not fashion
3. Technology refuses to co-operate with you
4. You have replaced conversation with complaints
5. Leaving the house becomes unnecessary trouble
6. You baulk at the "so-called" evolution of language
7. You just don't care

It comes to all of us does old age. I'm a young whippersnapper in my early 60's. I can still run, cycle, weight-train down the gym, climb trees, play conkers, play football, have sex several times a week (sometimes including other people in it). ;)

I saw my eldest brother start to turn into an old man about 10 years ago now. He stopped listening to pop music. He stopped wearing fashionable clothes. He lost interest in travelling abroad. He bought a caravan. And eventually...he started playing crown green bowls.:oops: (death knell imo!).

This was the start of it.

After that, it wasn't long before he started wearing cardigans and corduroy trousers.

He stopped going out to restaurants for meals.

Everything became a "rip off" and a "bloody racket".

He became very short tempered and irritable about the slightest thing. He seemed happiest when arguing. These are all signs that the chemical that gave you splendid boners in your younger years, but has since made your hair fall out, is now disappearing at quite a rate and without it you are turning into a grumpster!

His wife, God bless her, has learned that the best thing to do with him is just ignore him when he's like that - and occasionally he'll snap out of it and become the nice person we all know he is, for a short while anyhow! But more often than not, he'll find something to drag up, to try and salvage some kind of victory over his perceived adversaries. And, like a dog with a bone, he will not let it go. He'll shake it and rip it and snarl at it, until it is completely destroyed.
Shit he sounds like me!!
 
I've read both threads now and I think they are about the same thing...

Anger. Probably linked to low testosterone levels, but made worse by such things as:

defeat in the egg and spoon race on school sports day, a lowly examination grade, critical parents, a menial job where efforts went unappreciated, a missed promotion, jilted lovers, a partnership that went septic, financial jeopardy, unreliable friends, an estranged family, fading health, a feeling of a lack of personal fulfilment.

There was a good article I read a while ago and it said there are 7 ways to spot if you are becoming a grumpy old person:

1. You refuse to make new friends
2. Clothes exist for function not fashion
3. Technology refuses to co-operate with you
4. You have replaced conversation with complaints
5. Leaving the house becomes unnecessary trouble
6. You baulk at the "so-called" evolution of language
7. You just don't care

It comes to all of us does old age. I'm a young whippersnapper in my early 60's. I can still run, cycle, weight-train down the gym, climb trees, play conkers, play football, have sex several times a week (sometimes including other people in it). ;)

I saw my eldest brother start to turn into an old man about 10 years ago now. He stopped listening to pop music. He stopped wearing fashionable clothes. He lost interest in travelling abroad. He bought a caravan. And eventually...he started playing crown green bowls.:oops: (death knell imo!).

This was the start of it.

After that, it wasn't long before he started wearing cardigans and corduroy trousers.

He stopped going out to restaurants for meals.

Everything became a "rip off" and a "bloody racket".

He became very short tempered and irritable about the slightest thing. He seemed happiest when arguing. These are all signs that the chemical that gave you splendid boners in your younger years, but has since made your hair fall out, is now disappearing at quite a rate and without it you are turning into a grumpster!

His wife, God bless her, has learned that the best thing to do with him is just ignore him when he's like that - and occasionally he'll snap out of it and become the nice person we all know he is, for a short while anyhow! But more often than not, he'll find something to drag up, to try and salvage some kind of victory over his perceived adversaries. And, like a dog with a bone, he will not let it go. He'll shake it and rip it and snarl at it, until it is completely destroyed.

And your problem is?
 
In retirement we have channelled our efforts towards older people charities and it's very rewarding, if a bit repetitive to be honest.

What occurs to me on this forum though is the amount of time fathers with young children spend on here. Every day you see mothers and fathers on phone screens when they are out and about and their kids look so glum; they always need attention and the sight of the parent's phone is immediately a signal of lack of that attention. The kids know full well.

Some of these kids go to school and then go to bed at reasonable hours.
 
There was more of a pattern emerging of clubs being managed by people who support or care about the club. Some have since been sacked or resigned.

Neil Harris - Milwall
Chris Wilder - Sheffield United
Martin O'Neill - Nottingham Florist
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - Manchester United
Dean Smith - Aston Villa
Jonathan Woodgate - Middlesbrough
Frank Lampard - Chelsea
Steve Bruce - Newcastle
Eddie Howe - Bournemouth

There are probably more examples throughout the football league.

It's arguably proven to be a successful formula. If a manager cares about the club then the players have to try harder.

O'Neill could have had success but managers are not allowed more than 12 months at Forest these days. Promotion or you're sacked. No wonder they're only reached the play offs once in 20 years, and we all know how that ended!👍


Wish I'd thought of that in my two o.p's !!!
 
I've read both threads now and I think they are about the same thing...

Anger. Probably linked to low testosterone levels, but made worse by such things as:

defeat in the egg and spoon race on school sports day, a lowly examination grade, critical parents, a menial job where efforts went unappreciated, a missed promotion, jilted lovers, a partnership that went septic, financial jeopardy, unreliable friends, an estranged family, fading health, a feeling of a lack of personal fulfilment.

There was a good article I read a while ago and it said there are 7 ways to spot if you are becoming a grumpy old person:

1. You refuse to make new friends
2. Clothes exist for function not fashion
3. Technology refuses to co-operate with you
4. You have replaced conversation with complaints
5. Leaving the house becomes unnecessary trouble
6. You baulk at the "so-called" evolution of language
7. You just don't care

It comes to all of us does old age. I'm a young whippersnapper in my early 60's. I can still run, cycle, weight-train down the gym, climb trees, play conkers, play football, have sex several times a week (sometimes including other people in it). ;)

I saw my eldest brother start to turn into an old man about 10 years ago now. He stopped listening to pop music. He stopped wearing fashionable clothes. He lost interest in travelling abroad. He bought a caravan. And eventually...he started playing crown green bowls.:oops: (death knell imo!).

This was the start of it.

After that, it wasn't long before he started wearing cardigans and corduroy trousers.

He stopped going out to restaurants for meals.

Everything became a "rip off" and a "bloody racket".

He became very short tempered and irritable about the slightest thing. He seemed happiest when arguing. These are all signs that the chemical that gave you splendid boners in your younger years, but has since made your hair fall out, is now disappearing at quite a rate and without it you are turning into a grumpster!

His wife, God bless her, has learned that the best thing to do with him is just ignore him when he's like that - and occasionally he'll snap out of it and become the nice person we all know he is, for a short while anyhow! But more often than not, he'll find something to drag up, to try and salvage some kind of victory over his perceived adversaries. And, like a dog with a bone, he will not let it go. He'll shake it and rip it and snarl at it, until it is completely destroyed.


Onto a less important issue, the two threads are intentionally about the same thing, that's the point.

My first o.p. was lazy.
 
I think it's great that you are doing things for others. I've always been very sceptical of charities - mainly wondering if the money, or how much of it, actually gets to those it's supposed to be for, as opposed to running some great big corporate enterprise off the back of it. But if we were all cynical about it then I guess more people would suffer. I support local charities, especially Children's Hospital and St Luke's. But I'm not for dipping my hand in the pocket to save the grey whale, and I generally don't give to the big corporate charities.

I set up a not-for-profit company about 8 years ago, which is not a "charity" as such, but we do work for less advantaged people, of an educational nature. It's very rewarding to feel that I'm actually doing somebody some good somehow!

I don't know anyone on this forum, but I can relate to the "non-parenting" approach that you describe and it's really not something I'm very keen on. Me and the missus were out cycling a few weeks ago. We did about 40 miles from Chesterfield out to the River Trent, near Gainsborough. Then we got the train back (too knackered to cycle 80 miles!). On the train to Retford - a young mum, in her 20's, a young child, maybe 2 or 3 years old, and what appeared to be the grandparents. The mum is on her phone all the time. The kid is playing up trying to get attention - and grandma and grandad are trying to step in and distract the kid. Not good!

It's dead easy to be a parent if that's what you think parenting is about. But done properly it's bloody hard work but worth every minute.
Cerberus, total respect for your views on parenting. It is hard to do properly, but amazing if you do it more or less right. I've worked in children's social care for nearly 40 years (don't worry, I'm no snowflake!) , and we get increasing numbers of parents who don't have a clue. Too much booze and drugs and social media, and too little money are big issues, although you could chuck millions at some parents and they'd still be clueless!! Sad for the kids, but it's how it is.
 

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