Billy and Blackie

[super_pig]

umm not everyone was happy to see billy leave.. he went to the same school as my lad and has been a scoring sensation since he was seven years old.. it was a no brainer he would go and score somewhere else.. the only game he played up front for us and not being a forager for beattie was when he scored a hattrick against qpr when bt was injured. he was promptly moved out to the wing the next game..
for billy read ched evans.. we destroy attacking talent at this club

 

[Guesty]

O'Driscoll would cost over £1 Million in compensation, plus what we have to pay Blackie off.

Not much left for the playing budget, would the masses except that?
Also O'Driscoll has no record at a club where relative success if demanded.

That doesn't mean I'm against it but you need to be know what it is you are asking for and what it will mean.
£2 Million out of the window before he has even taken a training session.

O'Driscoll has shown he's better in the loans market that Blackwell though!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

O'Driscoll has shown he's better in the loans market that Blackwell though!

Maybe, or maybe more technical players are loaned out to him because of the style of play. Eitherway there isn't much argument that he gets the better/more technical players compared to who we seem to bring in.

It would be a price worth paying Bob. In any event, business reality dictates that the figures would be far less than you fear.

Well Burnley were told £1.5 million when they enquired and I would think 3 years on Blackies contract would be more than £500,000.

I'm still not convinced the manager will be changed in the summer should he fail this season.

 

[alcoblade]

£2 Million out of the window before he has even taken a training session.

That still represents better value than Ched Evans.



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[Foxy]

One thing that seems to be lacking in the O' Driscoll talk...

Sure with better finishing in the first half they could have been out of sight, but weren't they supposed to out-football and thrash us?

Rather than resulting to banging the ball forward and the odd little break away? With one of the penalty shouts given, we could have ended up beating them again.

Shouldn't a man of O' Driscolls apparent ilk be battering sides with a "clueless goalkeeper" in charge?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Thought we were battered and should have lost 3/4 - 1

 

[Big Mart]

Shouldn't a man of O' Driscolls apparent ilk be battering sides with a "clueless goalkeeper" in charge?

Or maybe you could say that a man with O'Driscolls budget getting a comfortable point off a team with a clueless goalkeepers budget proves that he is the better tactician and that he gets better results from supposedly inferior players.

No matter how you try to defend Blackwell, and you do, we scraped a point against "little Donny" yesterday, and that's with our state of the art academy, our squad filled with players driving big flash cars, and our mega rich chairman who's the biggest Blade in history. Donny, are a very well run club, they play in a nice stadium, they have a good football side and they have a good manager. We play in a nice stadium...............and there the comparison ends.

:gallop:

 

[sitwell]

Comparing our nice stadium and their nice stadium is embarrassing. You cannot compare the 2 clubs on any level.

 

[Big Mart]

So if they're beyond comparison, how come they're only one place below us?

 

[alcoblade]

One thing that seems to be lacking in the O' Driscoll talk...

Sure with better finishing in the first half they could have been out of sight, but weren't they supposed to out-football and thrash us?

Rather than resulting to banging the ball forward and the odd little break away? With one of the penalty shouts given, we could have ended up beating them again.

Shouldn't a man of O' Driscolls apparent ilk be battering sides with a "clueless goalkeeper" in charge?

Are you disputing that £ for £, O'Driscoll's side doesn't look extremely better value than Blackwell's - both from and entertainment and a results angle? It's a very small club you've created if so.

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[sitwell]

Would you compare Leeds and Colchester?
Actually , don't answer that ;-)

Personally I don't think O'Driscoll would suit our club ,I admire what he has done but I think we would be too big for him ,However I think Blackwell could suit Donny.

 

[alcoblade]

Would you compare Leeds and Colchester?
Actually , don't answer that ;-)

Personally I don't think O'Driscoll would suit our club ,I admire what he has done but I think we would be too big for him ,However I think Blackwell could suit Donny.

You might be right fella, but I suspect not.

I'll be suprised if he isn't managing in the premiership some time soon. We can only speculate about how he'll handle pressure. But we know how he can produce very attractive and effective football from very low resource.

Where I would agree with you is that we're probab;y not the right club - our fans probably wouldn't have the patience required. We have expectation without the budget - so he'd struggle to do anything overnight.

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[Foxy]

I'm saying none of what people are assuming I think... Nor am I defending Blackwell.

I'm just saying that the way people put O' Driscoll on a pedestal and slate Blackwell, you'd think that there would have been more between us? surely?

Are O' Driscoll hoofs downfield different to Blackwells?

I think he's a good manager, doing very well at a club with little in the way of expectations (though he's raising them).

That doesn't mean he's a guarenteed success anywhere or that he gets three points out of us yesterday.

 

[davidpinder]

A Sean O'Driscoll Sheffield United side would of comfortably beaten a Kevin Blackwell Doncaster side in my opinion. I don't believe we would be to BIG a club for him, we are not a big club anymore Blackie has seen to that. We are an average Championship side on a par with Doncaster Rovers.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm saying none of what people are assuming I think... Nor am I defending Blackwell.

I'm just saying that the way people put O' Driscoll on a pedestal and slate Blackwell, you'd think that there would have been more between us? surely?

Are O' Driscoll hoofs downfield different to Blackwells?

I think he's a good manager, doing very well at a club with little in the way of expectations (though he's raising them).

That doesn't mean he's a guarenteed success anywhere or that he gets three points out of us yesterday.

People haven't put O'Driscoll on a pedestal because they want to have his babies. They've put him wherever he's at because just about everybody accepts that his sides play very attractive football and punch above their weight in terms of the resources they're built with. Fans of all clubs, the media, Donny fans - they all recognise this - In the same way that it's widely accepted that Blackwell's sides are just about polar opposites in terms of entertainment.

You are right in that yesterday we were there for the taking and yet we weren't, so the gap was less than expected. Our side is massively patched up and that isn't, in the main, Blackwell's fault - so from that point of view we did well. But little old Doncaster could easily have been out of sight come half time.

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[alcoblade]

A Sean O'Driscoll Sheffield United side would of comfortably beaten a Kevin Blackwell Doncaster side in my opinion. I don't believe we would be to BIG a club for him, we are not a big club anymore Blackie has seen to that. We are an average Championship side on a par with Doncaster Rovers.

Not in terms of expectation we're not. And we'll still have a far heftier budget than them next season.

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[Foxy]

People haven't put O'Driscoll on a pedestal because they want to have his babies. They've put him wherever he's at because just about everybody accepts that his sides play very attractive football and punch above their weight in terms of the resources they're built with. Fans of all clubs, the media, Donny fans - they all recognise this - In the same way that it's widely accepted that Blackwell's sides are just about polar opposites in terms of entertainment.

and my point is.... did they second half yesterday? Would we have accepted their second half had we been in their position?

We were the side passing the ball and creating chances second half, not the opposition.

I like the bloke and the way they play at times, but I don't think it's anywhere near as clear cut as other people seem to.

 

[judge]

o 'driscoll would get the same vitriolic poison every other untied manager has had to put up with all the way back to basset

even warnock got nothing but stick in our promotion season ,basically most united fans are whingers who dont like the manager

 

[alcoblade]

and my point is.... did they second half yesterday? Would we have accepted their second half had we been in their position?

We were the side passing the ball and creating chances second half, not the opposition.

I like the bloke and the way they play at times, but I don't think it's anywhere near as clear cut as other people seem to.

You're surely not judging him by the second half yesterday, when the first half and week after week the evidence is that his sides are attractive and effective, given the resources they're built with?

The only suprise really yesterday was that we didn't lose by at least 3. They carved through us like butter for 45 minutes and were let down by poor finishing, probably because we're fortunate that their main striker couldn't play against us. We did well in the secondf half and they were below par. For me, it doesn't swim far against the tide of evidence going the other way.

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[PeterNdlovu081]

we are not a big club anymore

We've never been a big club.

 

[raul]

o 'driscoll would get the same vitriolic poison every other untied manager has had to put up with all the way back to basset

even warnock got nothing but stick in our promotion season ,basically most united fans are whingers who dont like the manager

I want it now.

 

[sitwell]

The evidence I've seen of Donny this season is a crap performance at the Lane and a crap performance in the second half yesterday. They played well first half but we were truly abysmal ,I am not massively impressed with them .

 

[shorehamview]

O'Driscoll will be a Premier League manager soon. I base this statement solely on the fact that as Brian Laws is a Premier League manager then within the next three years everyone in the country, including blind people and proper mentallists, will be given the opportunity to manage a desperate club destined for relegation.

 

[alcoblade]

The evidence I've seen of Donny this season is a crap performance at the Lane and a crap performance in the second half yesterday. They played well first half but we were truly abysmal ,I am not massively impressed with them .

Which is fair enough. But the vast majority of the football watching public and media that reports on it don't agree and are very impressed by Doncaster / O'Driscoll.

I do accept that they were very average for 3 out of 4 halves played against us.

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[sitwell]

If that vast majority means the 3 hospital DJ wankers off Radio Sheffield ,and my totally biased next door neighbour but one ,then I think I'd prefer to back my own judgement.

 

[lenners]

If that vast majority means the 3 hospital DJ wankers off Radio Sheffield ,and my totally biased next door neighbour but one ,then I think I'd prefer to back my own judgement.

They took the piss out of us last season when we had a much stronger side.
As for expectations, I think they're pretty low now. No-one thinks we've got a particularly good bunch of players but it would be great to see a United team play like Doncaster did at the Lane last season.

 

[silverfox]

If that vast majority means the 3 hospital DJ wankers off Radio Sheffield ,and my totally biased next door neighbour but one ,then I think I'd prefer to back my own judgement.

I'd stick to your own judgement.

 

[alcoblade]

If that vast majority means the 3 hospital DJ wankers off Radio Sheffield ,and my totally biased next door neighbour but one ,then I think I'd prefer to back my own judgement.

I think you and I both know that his admirers are from much further away, and much more numerous than that. If you aren't aware of this, then you really must get out more....

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[davidpinder]

Not in terms of expectation we're not. And we'll still have a far heftier budget than them next season.

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Doncaster under o'driscoll will be in a better position to push for the playoffs next season, if united still have blackwell in charge.

 

[alcoblade]

Doncaster under o'driscoll will be in a better position to push for the playoffs next season, if united still have blackwell in charge.

Let's be fair to Blackwell (and I'll state that I hope he isn't in charge next season), he's had a lot to handle at United since he arrived. Managing a club with unrealistic expectations pointing in exactly the opposite direction to the financial realities being forced on him. We've had terrible injury problems, an exodus of quality and a chairman who's headed for the long grass. None of this is Blackwell's fault.

I want him out because I've become convinced that his teams wont play a style of football that I want to see. But I recognise that he's nowhere near as poor a manager as the majority portray him.

Given the summer and a settled side, I wouldn't put any money of Doncaster being better placed than us next season. I'd put my mortgage on them being more entertaining though.

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