Play to the whistle ....

[Rufus Smalls]

Or in this case the flag ........ is now dead in the water.

RIP Football

 

[GV Blade]

I never knew that an offside flag doesn't actually mean offside / that it could be over ruled.
Has this happened before this season without me realising ?

 

[Breakingblade]

I never knew that an offside flag doesn't actually mean offside / that it could be over ruled.
Has this happened before this season without me realising ?

Yeah, a few times. All the players have been told to ignore the flag and only play to the whistle. The goal might have been a bit of a freak but it's our fault, no point blaming any one else

 

[boss hog]

No point in linesmen anymore they're redundent.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Why didn't the ref blow the whistle? Did he think his mate had dropped a bollock (he had, as it turned out)? And if so, shouldn't he make that clear to all the players on the pitch, so we know to keep going? Pre-season, they said that they wouldn't put the flag up unless they were sure, so when we see the flag up we assume it's clear and stop playing. If he hadn't put his flag up, no problem. Fucking clown.

It doesn't explain why there was a massive hole in the middle of our defence, though.

 

[ThatJa]

if VAR doesn't exist, the ref blows instantly, right or wrong.

VAR got to go, failing that Linesmen, we clearly don't need both........

 

[gordoncharles]

Totally different from the check at Wolves where the ref had blown. You've got a right to stop if the whistle has stopped play, not tonight because even before VAR stepped in to feck the game up the jacksee, it was still possible for a ref to overrule a flag and play on.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Why didn't the ref blow the whistle?

Because that's not what happens anymore. For ALL offsides now (this is something that has been said to every club and every player), VAR will check it. Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

At the end of the day, our players knew this but they stopped anyway and it's cost us a goal.

 

[Superblades]

It’s simple. Tell the linesmen not to flag.

 

[BobblesBlade]

i Preferred getting pissed off with the ref for making bad decisions

 

[ThatJa]

It’s simple. Tell the linesmen not to flag.

Even better, get rid of linesmen altogether.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

For ALL offsides now (this is something that has been said to every club and every player), VAR will check it. Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

Right, but the linesman did flag, didn't he?

 

[ThatJa]

Because that's not what happens anymore. For ALL offsides now (this is something that has been said to every club and every player), VAR will check it. Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

At the end of the day, our players knew this but they stopped anyway and it's cost us a goal.

Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

Our players stoppped because the linesman stated they were "clearly" off as you put it. Therefor the linesman had an impact on the play, it should not have counted.

 

[Scarebus]

Right, but the linesman did flag, didn't he?

Yes, but the linesman's flag doesn't control the game, the refs whistle does.

 

[Varkanoid]

and the referee didnt wave play on until their player was entering our box but he didnt wave play on in the normal way he had his flaming arms out like an airplane.

You watch it again. ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

Our players stoppped because the linesman stated they were "clearly" off as you put it. Therefor the linesman had an impact on the play, it should not have counted.

Regardless, we know that it is going to get checked anyway so the official line is "play on" until it's checked. Shelvey did, our defense didn't. We risked conceding a goal & got stung for it. Nobody else to blame but ourselves here I'm afraid.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Can someone please tell me now what constitutes a ref blowing for an offside. Sharp ran down the channel in the second half and was BLOWN offside.
How do we know he wouldn't have controlled it, crossed into the box and someone scored 5 seconds later?

 

[ThatJa]

Regardless, we know that it is going to get checked regardless so the official line is "play on" until it's checked. Shelvey did, our defense didn't. We risked conceding a goal & got stung for it. Nobody else to blame but ourselves here I'm afraid.

So get rid of linesman, Im not sure you understand why people are pissed off. Nobody is saying it was the wrong decision, more people are saying the linesman impacted our defence by putting his flag up.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Yes, but the linesman's flag doesn't control the game, the refs whistle does.

Obviously. But when we're told they won't flag unless he's definitely off, when he does (wrongly) flag, people understandably stop playing. I don't get why he didn't just keep his flag down. It was clearly a tight one.

 

[Swannyblade]

Because that's not what happens anymore. For ALL offsides now (this is something that has been said to every club and every player), VAR will check it. Linesman have been told not to flag for offside unless someone is clearly off.

At the end of the day, our players knew this but they stopped anyway and it's cost us a goal.

Why was didsy blown offside just now without first consulting VAR then...shouldn’t we play on without a whistle on the off chance the lino was wrong?! They’re picking and choosing and it’s the confusion caused by the inconsistencies that causing the issues

 

[ThatJa]

Anyone blaming our players tonight for that 2nd goal need to wake up.

 

[Scarebus]

there's been a few games this season where goals are given after the flag is up and var rules it onside. This isn't new information to the players and they need to lose the reflex pretty quickly.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

So get rid of linesman, Im not sure you understand why people are pissed off. Nobody is saying it was the wrong decision, more people are saying the linesman impacted our defence by putting his flag up.

I completely understand why people are pissed off. I'm saying that if our defense had done their job properly, chances are, we don't concede the second goal.

Everyone in the league have been told exactly the same thing, we just decided to not do it tonight & we've been punished for it.

 

[Varkanoid]

Problem is a precedent has been set everyone is going to ignore the flag now and thats either going to lead to a booking because some has kicked the ball far as they played one when the ref thinks its a foul or offside and the ref will deem they were time wasting and book them or some other issue. Referee was at fault in this. Doesnt matter what VAR did afterwards ref didnt blow his whistle or wave on until Newcastle player was nearly about to score.

 

[BladesOnToast]

Regardless, we know that it is going to get checked anyway so the official line is "play on" until it's checked. Shelvey did, our defense didn't. We risked conceding a goal & got stung for it. Nobody else to blame but ourselves here I'm afraid.

If players have been told linos will only flag is a player is clearly offside, then it's understandable they'll want to save their energy etc if they see the flag go up.

 

[ThatJa]

If players have been told linos will only flag is a player is clearly offside, then it's understandable they'll want to save their energy etc if they see the flag go up.

Well For 4 players to stop I'd say theres a good chance they have been told something like that.

 

[Bladesman]

We don't need linesmen anymore plus all of the officials were shit tonight.

 

[Bergen Blade]

The same happened last week when Jota (I think?) ran through and VAR had a look to see if Henderson had fouled him as they collided.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

What's all the fuss about?

It was a perfectly good goal.

Why did our players stop when he was clearly a mile onside?

 

[A Storm of Blades]

How is this even a debate? You have a linesman stood near halfway with his flag up, effectively out of position, the ref not signalling play on until our defence have no chance to recover. How can you expect players to know what’s happening.

This is compounded by possibly the most hilariously one-sided coverage I think I’ve ever witnessed.