Let's talk about Rav...

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SwissBlade said:
The point is that we don't know. Unless Fergie comes out and actually says that he tried to turn him around but couldn't then we'll never know.

Too many factors to put it down to one or two things...
  • Other players available
  • Negative PR that the club wants rid
  • Cost
  • No time to develop a player in the first team, so its better to move on
  • Player doesn't develop into the player you expect
  • Player wants to move.
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I believe he made a lot of effort with Morrison but I haven’t got time to research it so I’ll leave it there.
 

guancheblade said:
Article mentions him doing extra training sessions... so lack of effort can't be to blame for his lack of appearances surely? He will have been very unfit when he arrived and then he got his injury in pre-season. We're only just seeing Mousset getting close to full match fitness, so imagine how far behind Ravel will be fitness wise with his lack of minutes.

However, I previously proffered a suggestion on a separate thread a short while back - he'd be better cover for Didsy than any of our midfield given his technical attributes. And given how reliant we are becoming on a fit David McGoldrick we would be left a little on the back foot should he get injured again. But a fit and prepared Ravel Morrison could slot into that role IMO

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/unravelling-the-ravel-mystery.75851/
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The role McG plays and the cameo of Ravel, i think you're right there. But the role McG plays is kind of a hybrid.

McG is keeping McBurnie and Clarke out from the Strikers in that slot, i think in the past that Billy was also perhaps in contention for this role
Mousse is keeping Billy and Robinson out
McG is also keeping out Freeman and probably Ravel out from that AM slot.

It makes no sense to keep Freeman and Ravel on the bench though.

As i said though, i think as we start to become a little more adventurous through the season, so perhaps Ravel will see more opportunity. Maybe this will happen in December with so many games
 
Put him on the bench on Saturday, nobody truly needs 7 subs, so having 6 plus him isn't a problem. If we're doing ok, he keeps the seat warm; if we need some impetus, he potentially comes on and busts a gut to put one over on Manure. Either way feels like a good gamble to me.
 
I saw him as a replacement to push Fleck but Fleck has upped his game that much that no matter how hard he trains he cannot replace him at the moment.
I think the same goes for all the midfield.
So the conundrum is where or when does he play? As sub? Or sent out on loan in January to get match fitness?
 
Genuinely don’t think this is a particularly complex issue.

He’s got to get past some very very good players who have have 18m plus to get used to the expectations and the way of playing. He’ll either show enough to get an extra year or he’ll not and we’ll prob move on. Can see why he was an exciting signing but it was always a long shot he’d manage to contribute in a signincant way.

My advice to him would be keep training hard and look at Lunny - wilder isn’t going to freeze him out if he had earned a shirt
 
kop_blade9 said:
I saw him as a replacement to push Fleck but Fleck has upped his game that much that no matter how hard he trains he cannot replace him at the moment.
I think the same goes for all the midfield.
So the conundrum is where or when does he play? As sub? Or sent out on loan in January to get match fitness?
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Wilder was never going to play the right footed Morrison in the left sided midfield role. It's been clear from the start that Wilder's system relies on a balance of left and right footed players on the left and right of the team.

2016/17
GK Moore
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Wright
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Lafferty (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Coutts (right)
WBR Freeman (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST Clarke

2017/18
GK Blackman/Moore
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Stearman
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Coutts/Lundstram (right)
WBR Baldock/Freeman (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST Clarke

2018/19
GK Henderson
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Egan
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Norwood (right)
WBR Baldock (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST McGoldrick

2019/20 (to date)
GK Henderson
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Egan
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck/Freeman (left)
CM Norwood
CMR Lundstram (right)
WBR Baldock (right)
ST Sharp
ST McGoldrick
 
SwissBlade said:
The role McG plays and the cameo of Ravel, i think you're right there. But the role McG plays is kind of a hybrid.

McG is keeping McBurnie and Clarke out from the Strikers in that slot, i think in the past that Billy was also perhaps in contention for this role
Mousse is keeping Billy and Robinson out
McG is also keeping out Freeman and probably Ravel out from that AM slot.

It makes no sense to keep Freeman and Ravel on the bench though.

As i said though, i think as we start to become a little more adventurous through the season, so perhaps Ravel will see more opportunity. Maybe this will happen in December with so many games
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Fair enough. But as I pointed out in my thread, Morrison was reared as a striker and always had a deadly finish on him. For reasons unknown he's been remodelled as a CM.

Perhaps he can get back to form if we try him in his more natural position, or if not, somewhere in between CAM and CF.

Sounds a lot like the role McGoldrick plays don't it?
 
guancheblade said:
Fair enough. But as I pointed out in my thread, Morrison was reared as a striker and always had a deadly finish on him. For reasons unknown he's been remodelled as a CM.

Perhaps he can get back to form if we try him in his more natural position, or if not, somewhere in between CAM and CF.

Sounds a lot like the role McGoldrick plays don't it?
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I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see him anywhere between the midfield and striker positions if he does play
 
Despite his very obvious talent, the varied social media moans and his track record in recent years, suggest to me he won't make it. I'd love to be proved wrong though and if ever there were a game to inspire him:-

It's a really crap Sean Bean film script about a club throwing a talented young lad out. He has to go all around the houses and can't even get a job at the local brewery, but then gets a chance to play aforesaid baddie club! In Hollywood he'd obviously score a hat trick, but will the Lane Cricketing Gods allow such a story?

Tune in on Sunday, for the next exciting episode.....
 
I should coco said:
Despite his very obvious talent, the varied social media moans and his track record in recent years, suggest to me he won't make it. I'd love to be proved wrong though and if ever there were a game to inspire him:-

It's a really crap Sean Bean film script about a club throwing a talented young lad out. He has to go all around the houses and can't even get a job at the local brewery, but then gets a chance to play aforesaid baddie club! In Hollywood he'd obviously score a hat trick, but will the Lane Cricketing Gods allow such a story?

Tune in on Sunday, for the next exciting episode.....
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Will you be playing his brother?
 
I should coco said:
Too good looking mate, so I'd detract from the lead role.

It would also be clear we had different dads.....and mums. Also I'm a shit footballer, but other than that, I'd be a shoe in.
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It’s ok, you don’t have to play football. Just have a box of programmes then get killed in a pit accident.
 
I have no doubt that CWAK wouldn't have Rav anywhere near the squad if he was deemed detrimental to squad harmony.
If he's still here past Jan, then this says to me that he is not considered to have the poor attitude that many seem determined to attribute to him, and that he is considered to have something useful to offer on the playing side.
If there's one thing we've learnt from Lunny, it's that CWAK are much better positioned and informed to make player judgement calls than us fans.
I hope that Rav takes this opportunity to get his career back on track with us. He won't find a better manager to assist him with this than Wilder.
Also of interest, is how highly Lunny spoke of Knill and his help during the periods when he was a fringe player...if Knill can get in Rav's ear, it might help him to see the light and the longer-term picture.
 
BushBlade said:
Just have a box of programmes then get killed in a pit accident.
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Could I have a loyal dog that sniffs me out under a pile of rubble and runs to fetch help?

He could be called, say, for instance. 'Bush' or something catchy.

Obviously he'd have to be a really attractive dog to catch the female dog audience.

Hollywood are also far more inclusive these days, so we'd have to have other parts to pander to the minority groups. What about someone with severe delusional tendencies to appeal to the S6 lot?

I can see this will be a real winner!
 

Balham Blade said:
Wilder was never going to play the right footed Morrison in the left sided midfield role. It's been clear from the start that Wilder's system relies on a balance of left and right footed players on the left and right of the team.

2016/17
GK Moore
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Wright
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Lafferty (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Coutts (right)
WBR Freeman (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST Clarke

2017/18
GK Blackman/Moore
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Stearman
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Coutts/Lundstram (right)
WBR Baldock/Freeman (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST Clarke

2018/19
GK Henderson
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Egan
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck (left)
CMR Norwood (right)
WBR Baldock (right)
AMC Duffy
ST Sharp
ST McGoldrick

2019/20 (to date)
GK Henderson
DCL O'Connell (left)
DC Egan
DCR Basham (right)
WBL Stevens (left)
CML Fleck/Freeman (left)
CM Norwood
CMR Lundstram (right)
WBR Baldock (right)
ST Sharp
ST McGoldrick
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Except when he has come on as sub he has played on the left of midfield linking up with enda
 
I should coco said:
Could I have a loyal dog that sniffs me out under a pile of rubble and runs to fetch help?

He could be called, say, for instance. 'Bush' or something catchy.

Obviously he'd have to be a really attractive dog to catch the female dog audience.

Hollywood are also far more inclusive these days, so we'd have to have other parts to pander to the minority groups. What about someone with severe delusional tendencies to appeal to the S6 lot?

I can see this will be a real winner!
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Providing that when Bush the good looking dog finds you he does a massive shit on the pile of rubble and then runs off to chase an errant duck.

But in a Happy Days style twist, we could have a character who’s ‘The Lodger’. He owns a fish shop but thinks he’s really cool because he’s got a leather jacket, even though it stinks of dead dolphins. He keeps telling people about these amazing property deals he’s doing but Barry the Barber claims he’s full of shit.
 
SwissBlade said:
I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see him anywhere between the midfield and striker positions if he does play
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Yep. From memory, during the 2 league cup games he played at least four different positions: deep in front of the back three; attacking CM; left side MF; no.10 forward / striker (so, 5 positions if you want to split that one out into 2).
 
BiggerBladeThanThou said:
Sorry if this has been posted. From The Sun newspaper via Facebook.

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Ravel is an interesting conundrum and I've seen a few comments on here suggesting he's messed it up and a bit of failure here.

However, my feeling is that CWAK have a plan for him should we gain Prem status for next season (and even in Champ if we get relegated). A little bit like the case study that is John Lundstram. I really think Ravel has a big part to play at the Lane and will get game time when CWAK think he's ready for it and there's a slot in the team which becomes available. All of this up until now and for the rest of the season is fantastic man management of him I reckon, bringing him down to earth and making him work for his career which I doubt many clubs have done prior-most just stick him in and expect miracles from him.

Thoughts?
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Thoughts? He’ll be playing elsewhere, sooner rather than later.
 
PittsburghBlade said:
Anyone who thinks he has a bad attitude or is “overhyped” just trying to fit a narrative to something they don’t know about.

He just hasn’t been able to get in a team that can’t afford to have flair and luxury players at the minute and that’s fine. He’s a gamble that might still pay off once he learns and fully understands his role as a player in our team.

Overhyped is comical I once played a game against him and I don’t think one of our players tackled him all game he could make anyone who came near him look ridiculous.
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Exactly. There's a risk of a self-fulfilling prophecy, the more he's talked down. Let him go under the radar and do the hard work he needs to, to prove himself.
 
Nobody on here has any idea if he's anywhere near good enough to play in the Premier league anymore. Unless he gets on the pitch it's all guesswork
 
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Was curious to see if we played 3-4-1-2 against Blackburn with Ravel in the hole behind Sharp and McBurnie. Team sheet suggests otherwise?

Inherent problem he has here is he's not a Lundstram. He's a Duffy. And while we play 3-5-2, he's not going to get in unless he finds something different to his game. I know he didn't do much in his 13 mins against Leicester for me to judge if we had changed shape. Anyone else care to comment on this?

Anyhow, I hope he's not already fallen by the wayside. The Inside Shirecliffe training videos the club are posting on YouTube at the moment have the odd Ravel clip in, and he seems in high enough spirits in those. I'm sure he'll probs get a run-out in 3rd round of the FA cup provided it's not pigs, and will probably see some PL action again in the new year if Wilder has already given him a nibble while he's not fully up to speed.
 
JPBrodie said:
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Was curious to see if we played 3-4-1-2 against Blackburn with Ravel in the hole behind Sharp and McBurnie. Team sheet suggests otherwise?

Inherent problem he has here is he's not a Lundstram. He's a Duffy. And while we play 3-5-2, he's not going to get in unless he finds something different to his game. I know he didn't do much in his 13 mins against Leicester for me to judge if we had changed shape. Anyone else care to comment on this?

Anyhow, I hope he's not already fallen by the wayside. The Inside Shirecliffe training videos the club are posting on YouTube at the moment have the odd Ravel clip in, and he seems in high enough spirits in those. I'm sure he'll probs get a run-out in 3rd round of the FA cup provided it's not pigs, and will probably see some PL action again in the new year if Wilder has already given him a nibble while he's not fully up to speed.
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I went to the Blackburn game and Ravel seemed to play 3 positions that night.

First half he was an attacking midfielder.
Then beginning of the 2nd half played further forward as support striker
Then part way through the 2nd half he played deeper in midfield protecting the back four, think that was so he would see more of the ball.

He showed some great touches but didn’t look comfortable sticking to a position.
He reminded me of a Brazilian import, you could see he was talented but his overall effectiveness was low.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I went to the Blackburn game and Ravel seemed to play 3 positions that night.

First half he was an attacking midfielder.
Then beginning of the 2nd half played further forward as support striker
Then part way through the 2nd half he played deeper in midfield protecting the back four, think that was so he would see more of the ball.

He showed some great touches but didn’t look comfortable sticking to a position.
He reminded me of a Brazilian import, you could see he was talented but his overall effectiveness was low.
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It was also apparent in that game that he didnt work hard enough tracking back and he was also a bit ill disciplined in that he virtually chopped a Blackburn player in half with an awful tackle when he didnt need to. Think he's miles off a CWAK team player to be honest
 
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