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Three clubs facing winding up orders today.

Portsmouth, Cardiff and Southend.

West Hams owners say players and staff face 25% pay cuts if they stay up

Reading in the bottom three and Charlton, Southampton and Leeds in division 3.

Still think we've got it bad?

Be positive and good things will happen.
 

I dont care about other clubs. Why do we have to compare our situation to everyone else all the time? We should expect and should achieve better;

Portsmouth - seaside town
Cardiff - rugby city
Southend - have you been?!
West Ham - poorly run club in a run down area of London
Reading - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Charlton - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Southampton - used a lot of borrowed time in the PL
Leeds - Hardly the example of a well run business

Sheffield - Massive city with two well supported clubs that have won major honours in the distant past. Two of the countries finest stadiums and the home of the first football club and rules to be written for the game............

Yet neither can make a fist of it due to a history of mis-management and lack of bottle!
 
Portsmouth have enjoyed 8? seasons in the Prem and an FA Cup.
Cardiff have been in an FA Cup final.
West Ham have been in the Prem for the majority of its existence.
Reading finished near the top of the Prem three years ago.
Charlton spent a good decade in the Prem and could well be playing us next season.
Southampton spent a generation in the top flight, won the Cup just before they got in it, went to another cup final, are going to a final at Wembley this year, are in the 5th round of the Cup and could still be playing us next year.
Leeds have beaten Man U, took Spurs to a replay, their Prem and Champions League history is well known and will be playing us next year.
Sheffield United have spent one season in the Prem out of the last 15 or 16.

Yes, we've got underachievementitis bad, real bad. I don't think the fans of any of those clubs are thinking I wish we'd been Sheffield United for the last 15 years.
 
LouTheBlade said:
I dont care about other clubs. Why do we have to compare our situation to everyone else all the time? We should expect and should achieve better;

Portsmouth - seaside town
Cardiff - rugby city
Southend - have you been?!
West Ham - poorly run club in a run down area of London
Reading - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Charlton - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Southampton - used a lot of borrowed time in the PL
Leeds - Hardly the example of a well run business

Sheffield - Massive city with two well supported clubs that have won major honours in the distant past. Two of the countries finest stadiums and the home of the first football club and rules to be written for the game............

Yet neither can make a fist of it due to a history of mis-management and lack of bottle!
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Lou the Blade - delusions of grandeur.
 
lenners said:
Portsmouth have enjoyed 8? seasons in the Prem and an FA Cup.
Cardiff have been in an FA Cup final.
West Ham have been in the Prem for the majority of its existence.
Reading finished near the top of the Prem three years ago.
Charlton spent a good decade in the Prem and could well be playing us next season.
Southampton spent a generation in the top flight, won the Cup just before they got in it, went to another cup final, are going to a final at Wembley this year, are in the 5th round of the Cup and could still be playing us next year.
Leeds have beaten Man U, took Spurs to a replay, their Prem and Champions League history is well known and will be playing us next year.
Sheffield United have spent one season in the Prem out of the last 15 or 16.

Yes, we've got underachievementitis bad, real bad. I don't think the fans of any of those clubs are thinking I wish we'd been Sheffield United for the last 15 years.
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But they might be in the next 15yrs.

Too much negativity becomes a self fulfilling prophecy if you're not careful because the only thing negativity breeds is negativity.
 
Maidenhead said:
But they might be in the next 15yrs.

Too much negativity becomes a self fulfilling prophecy if you're not careful because the only thing negativity breeds is negativity.
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The remarkable thing is I actually think you believe what you've just typed.
The irony is the negativity about SUFC is all yours.
 
Three clubs facing winding up orders today.

Portsmouth, Cardiff and Southend.

West Hams owners say players and staff face 25% pay cuts if they stay up

Reading in the bottom three and Charlton, Southampton and Leeds in division 3.

Still think we've got it bad?

Given our financial state, the state of the playing staff, the promise of further cuts to come, and the fact that 8 out of 10 of the teams in these kinds of posts have inevitably achieved more than us in living memory (in this case, only Southend have had a worse last 10 years), I can't believe anyone could make a post like this and expect it to be taken seriously.

Yes, I still think we've got it bad.
 
LouTheBlade said:
I dont care about other clubs. Why do we have to compare our situation to everyone else all the time? We should expect and should achieve better;

Portsmouth - seaside town
Cardiff - rugby city
Southend - have you been?!
West Ham - poorly run club in a run down area of London
Reading - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Charlton - spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions
Southampton - used a lot of borrowed time in the PL
Leeds - Hardly the example of a well run business

Sheffield - Massive city with two well supported clubs that have won major honours in the distant past. Two of the countries finest stadiums and the home of the first football club and rules to be written for the game............

Yet neither can make a fist of it due to a history of mis-management and lack of bottle!
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Portsmouth a seaside town ??? Thats a bit like saying Liverpool is a seaside town. It may be on the coast but they are a city with an incredibly passionate supporter base, have regularly been in the Premiership for the last decade and won the FA cup in 2008!
All of which means that their income will be greatly superior to ours - but they are in the mess they're in because they have been incredibly badly run. There is a very real expectation that they will be liquidated today - lessons to be heeded!
 
Revolution said:
Given our financial state, the state of the playing staff, the promise of further cuts to come, and the fact that 8 out of 10 of the teams in these kinds of posts have inevitably achieved more than us in living memory (in this case, only Southend have had a worse last 10 years), I can't believe anyone could make a post like this and expect it to be taken seriously.

Yes, I still think we've got it bad.
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Too right we have. I dont see the point in drawing these comparisons anyway. They are totally different situations. The point is we have been put under false pretence for years that this club has been run "well" which with the debt we now have, clearly isnt the case.

I dont care if Portsmouth and Southend are going out of business, I dont care if they have discovered a new fossil fuel and have become the richest club in the world off the back of it!!! They arent Sheffield United! Too often as supporters we say "but look whats happening there" or "look what they have achieved" - thats exactly why we are a second rate club! Its because we spend so much time gazing above and trying to catch up instead of concentrating on ourselves. We have had too many people running the club who think small time.
 
heh.. portsmouth isn't the seaside bit.. portsmouth is the port.. southsea is the seaside bit.. isn't a massive place population wise (i once lived there).. also their attendances are lower than ours so we should be at least on a par with them on the pitch..
so what you're saying poole is that the name of the game is to not go bust.. not to make progress on the field.. presumably in the belief that everyone else will go bust and we will have to be invited into the prem. (i think that is maccabes masterplan).. did you read the recent accounts?
 

Poole Blade said:
Portsmouth a seaside town ??? Thats a bit like saying Liverpool is a seaside town. It may be on the coast but they are a city with an incredibly passionate supporter base, have regularly been in the Premiership for the last decade and won the FA cup in 2008!
All of which means that their income will be greatly superior to ours - but they are in the mess they're in because they have been incredibly badly run. There is a very real expectation that they will be liquidated today - lessons to be heeded!
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Its a town that is by the sea - hence 'sea-side town.' You dont have to sell candy floss and donkey rides to be classed as one.

Portsmouth is much smaller than Sheffield by some distance and up to recent times when they have spent immoral sums of money they have been similar to United in their playing history. The fact that they are STILL a division above us shows us up for what we are.

Youre right about one thing, lessons do need to be heeded but football will never learn that lesson. Borrow, borrow, borrow and the banks fucking love it!
 
LouTheBlade said:
Too right we have. I dont see the point in drawing these comparisons anyway. They are totally different situations. The point is we have been put under false pretence for years that this club has been run "well" which with the debt we now have, clearly isnt the case.

I dont care if Portsmouth and Southend are going out of business, I dont care if they have discovered a new fossil fuel and have become the richest club in the world off the back of it!!! They arent Sheffield United! Too often as supporters we say "but look whats happening there" or "look what they have achieved" - thats exactly why we are a second rate club! Its because we spend so much time gazing above and trying to catch up instead of concentrating on ourselves. We have had too many people running the club who think small time.
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And you think that because you look elsewhere and cast a jealous eye over what others are doing
 
lenners said:
The remarkable thing is I actually think you believe what you've just typed.
The irony is the negativity about SUFC is all yours.
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I'm very positive about SUFC, I go to the games, I enjoy the craic and if we win it's a nice bonus.

It's not the be all and end all in my life as ut seems to be for some on here.

For those that question my ambition, I have loads of ambitions but I tend to restrict them to things that I can achieve for myself and don't need to rely on other for.

I have no ambitions for SUFC as I can't influence them just as I have no ambitions for any of the posters on here.

Be happy, I am :-)
 
Poor lil owd Sheff U ... always got to be smalltime :mad:

Why do we have to spend big to be good ? , the CCC is littered with cheap players come good but those clubs have it right at the top ... while we have Mr Don't let the others score and keep it tight.

So just because the clubs you mention are in a bad way ... we should be thankfull that we're in just a bit of a bad way ........... that attitude keeps people like the inept Blackwell in a job , why accept crap when others do it on a fraction of our budgets.

We should also be thankfull that KM has made huge errors of judgement with the clubs cash and that those errors still see the club leaking cash today , for two years now incoming transfers have outwieghed outgoings but the debt has got in this state ... suppose its our fault for moaning about it :D


This club is completely wrong at the top ... the chairman has just used the brand name to get in at foriegn clubs that coincidentally have acres of land attatched , the former chief exec was a clueless buffoon that almost bust Bury so how was he going to handle us and the team manager is a bottless clueless clown that loses game because he is scared to lose ... after the last fifteen minutes on Saturday wouldn't you have started with the eleven that finished .... or make changes again ... only to moan about not having a settled squad after ?


We have been told how well run we are and we were being frugal for the last two years to take advantage when the others were struggling ........... well the others are struggling but after not having a go and buying bricks and mortor ... so are we ................ but we should be thankull you know ;)
 
>Its a town that is by the sea
hmm that's moot.. it's on the solent.. not directly by the sea.. heh.. (just joshing).. ok i take your point.. seaside town to me means donkeys and candy floss.. you're right. :-)
 
super_pig said:
heh.. portsmouth isn't the seaside bit.. portsmouth is the port.. southsea is the seaside bit.. isn't a massive place population wise (i once lived there).. also their attendances are lower than ours so we should be at least on a par with them on the pitch..
so what you're saying poole is that the name of the game is to not go bust.. not to make progress on the field.. presumably in the belief that everyone else will go bust and we will have to be invited into the prem. (i think that is maccabes masterplan).. did you read the recent accounts?
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No not at all - I was just making the point that Lou had dismissed them almost in the same category as Southend.
Yes I have read the accounts and NO - that would not be my plan. I would just say that it is prudent to watch the expenses in current times because I would be absolutely gutted if what is happening at Portsmouth happened to SUFC. However, it can be done - Bournemouth (hardly a comparrison to SUFC I know) have had a transfer embargo for over a year due and yet manage to challenge for automatic promotion. The reality as always is that it comes down to good management on the field and getting the best from what you have. In my opinion KB has not achieved this by any stretch (particularly when I think back to what Warnock and Bassett achieved with much lesser players).
My major criticism of McCabe is not being able to pick the right manager for SUFC!
 
I would just say that it is prudent to watch the expenses in current times because I would be absolutely gutted if what is happening at Portsmouth happened to SUFC.

I'd have been over the moon if SUFC had achieved what Pompey had in the last few years, all with good players and good football, chocful of internationals.
So what if they go into administration? They'll survive and will probably be back in the Prem before we are.
There is way too much of looking for excuses, pointing at others, and nowhere near enough examination of our own performance and setting our own standards.
And this is where our friends at Radio Sheffield come in. I've not heard what they said but they swallowed how well run we've been for years and are now going to tell us how lucky we are not to be Portsmouth. It's shyte of the highest order.
 
lenners said:
I would just say that it is prudent to watch the expenses in current times because I would be absolutely gutted if what is happening at Portsmouth happened to SUFC.

I'd have been over the moon if SUFC had achieved what Pompey had in the last few years, all with good players and good football, chocful of internationals.
So what if they go into administration? They'll survive and will probably be back in the Prem before we are.
There is way too much of looking for excuses, pointing at others, and nowhere near enough examination of our own performance and setting our own standards.
And this is where our friends at Radio Sheffield come in. I've not heard what they said but they swallowed how well run we've been for years and are now going to tell us how lucky we are not to be Portsmouth. It's shyte of the highest order.
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But that's the whole point Lenners - IF the action goes as planned, they will NOT survive. If Portsmouth lose their hearing today, they won't go into adminstration - they will be wound up and cease to exist. Portsmouth FC could be shut down effectively today - the only way back would to re-from the club and start at the bottom of the league ladder.
 
Poole Blade said:
But that's the whole point Lenners - IF the action goes as planned, they will NOT survive. If Portsmouth lose their hearing today, they won't go into adminstration - they will be wound up and cease to exist. Portsmouth FC could be shut down effectively today - the only way back would to re-from the club and start at the bottom of the league ladder.
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I am fairly certain they will go into admin before the winding up order is confirmed.

They can't agree terms with HMRC, therefore they enter admin.

I must admit this is a bit close for comfort in terms of the club surviving but I think they will be at BDTBL next season playing debt free football.
 
Poole Blade said:
But that's the whole point Lenners - IF the action goes as planned, they will NOT survive. If Portsmouth lose their hearing today, they won't go into adminstration - they will be wound up and cease to exist. Portsmouth FC could be shut down effectively today - the only way back would to re-from the club and start at the bottom of the league ladder.
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Meanwhile, back on planet earth, they would go into administration like numerous other clubs.
 
lenners said:
Meanwhile, back on planet earth, they would go into administration like numerous other clubs.
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Technically they would go into administration first, but without sizable investment they cannot be run day to day as a going concern, which is all the adminstrators look to establish. They can't sell players as assets and they can't pay any members of staff (and haven't for over 3 months now). If the Inland Revenue enforce their claim, there's not a lot they can do but go bust.
You may be right, and the IR may not press the claim, but the Pompey fans are not concerned about administration, but more whether the club will survive.
 

Poole Blade said:
Technically they would go into administration first, but without sizable investment they cannot be run day to day as a going concern, which is all the adminstrators look to establish. They can't sell players as assets and they can't pay any members of staff (and haven't for over 3 months now). If the Inland Revenue enforce their claim, there's not a lot they can do but go bust.
You may be right, and the IR may not press the claim, but the Pompey fans are not concerned about administration, but more whether the club will survive.
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I'm sure the revenue will press the claim and so they should. But an administrator will then be appointed and Portsmouth will find a way out of the mess like clubs always do.
And I'd be fairly sure their ability to sell players as assets in a matter of a few months would be factored in.
 
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