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Reasonable enough given Killa's situation.

Do we have any CB's in the reserves / academy or do they only produce right backs !
 
Without any information about the contract I don't see how we can come to any judgement about what it means.

It could be pay as you play for all we know.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Reasonable enough given Killa's situation.

Do we have any CB's in the reserves / academy or do they only produce right backs !
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I presume this was done due to the possibility of Killa doing a flit. Morgs and Seip as starting two, Fortune as back-up, and, as you say, someone from the academy would be OK.

Out of interest did Walker ever play at CB in the reserves\academy?
 
Yes Walker did play centre halve occasionally but there aren't any decent prospects at that position in the academy who would be ready to move up.
 
Walker played Centre Half against Hull in the Cup last season and didn't look out of place, in fact seemed to have a decent game.

If we get Naughton in then we have some good options at the back with Geary and Naysmith (can't see either playing more than a game a week for a while) as back up and Taylor learning his trade off the likes of Siep, Morgs and Naysmith - Things are looking up.

And if Killa doesn't get a deal elsewhere by Jan we'll be very strong at the back
 
I imagine he's been signed in case of the eventuality of Killa doing a Tonge and leaving in the 11th hour.

If Fortune is fit, he's able backup along with Walker, so I'm not too bothered. Just hope Killa goes in January to be perfectly honest. Seip and Morgs looked very solid on Saturday.
 
Houso said:
I imagine he's been signed in case of the eventuality of Killa doing a Tonge and leaving in the 11th hour.

If Fortune is fit, he's able backup along with Walker, so I'm not too bothered. Just hope Killa goes in January to be perfectly honest. Seip and Morgs looked very solid on Saturday.
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They looked solid, but we don't have fantastic pace between the pair of them. The good thing is that they both read the game well (perhaps better than Killa, but they have more experience than him)

I did my slating of Killa earlier in the season and as long as his head is right he's an excellent player in this Division even if he's a bit of a nonce at times.

A mate of mine said the other day that Killa needs a Morgs, more than Morgs needs Killa. Got to say I agree. But to be fair they've both complimented each other very well in the last couple of seasons.

So I'd rather keep Killa as well and have some real competition in the back four.

But for now, Morgs and Siep have the shirts and to be honest its theres to lose.
 
Oreyt said:
Out of interest did Walker ever play at CB in the reserves\academy?
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Walker has played in various positions across the pitch for the reserves\academy. He also spent a lot of his time on loan as a centre back.
 
Foxy said:
Walker has played in various positions across the pitch for the reserves\academy. He also spent a lot of his time on loan as a centre back.
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Most of those 'in the game' seem to be saying he will eventually be a CB and as you say, he played there for Northampton (and in his debut for us in the cup). It was only Kyle N's switch to LB that opened up the RB position for him last season and the fact he looked impressive there in those half a dozen games.
 



Oreyt said:
Till end of the season.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/PlayerFeatures/0,,10418~1938159,00.html
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He's deserved it!?

The guy looks awful, but it makes sense tio have some centre back cover. I hope this ISN'T not a sign that Killa is moving on, but regardless it makes sense to have extra cover (and particuarly if Killa moves on).

I'd get Fortune in the reserves and playing. He's been woeful in a Blades shirt, but some of that could be down to a lack of match fitness.
 
SwissBlade said:
Walker played Centre Half against Hull in the Cup last season and didn't look out of place, in fact seemed to have a decent game.
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This is true Swiss, but Walker also played CB at Coventry ealier this season and was poor. He looked completely out of his depth. He is not strong enough nor experienced enough to play centre half. Walker is a fantastic talent and a very good right back, but he is not a centre half.

SwissBlade said:
They looked solid, but we don't have fantastic pace between the pair of them. The good thing is that they both read the game well (perhaps better than Killa, but they have more experience than him)

A mate of mine said the other day that Killa needs a Morgs, more than Morgs needs Killa. Got to say I agree. But to be fair they've both complimented each other very well in the last couple of seasons.
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We are going to disagree agains Swiss. Whereas I agree Morgs and Killa play well together, to suggest that Kilgallon is over reliant on Morgan is simply ludicrous. Quick skilfull central defenders (such as Killa) play better with Classic, stopper centre halves (like Morgan).

An example to counter your argument is when Morgan was injured/suspended at times early last year and Ugo and Killa looked excellent togehter.
 
Ollessendro said:
He's deserved it!?

The guy looks awful, but it makes sense tio have some centre back cover. *I hope this is a sign that Killa is moving on, but regardless it makes sense to have extra cover (and particuarly if Killa moves on).

I'd get Fortune in the reserves and playing. He's been woeful in a Blades shirt, but some of that could be down to a lack of match fitness.
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*fixed.....
 
Ollessendro said:
This is true Swiss, but Walker also played CB at Coventry ealier this season and was poor. He looked completely out of his depth. He is not strong enough nor experienced enough to play centre half. Walker is a fantastic talent and a very good right back, but he is not a centre half.



We are going to disagree agains Swiss. Whereas I agree Morgs and Killa play well together, to suggest that Kilgallon is over reliant on Morgan is simply ludicrous. Quick skilfull central defenders (such as Killa) play better with Classic, stopper centre halves (like Morgan).

An example to counter your argument is when Morgan was injured/suspended at times early last year and Ugo and Killa looked excellent togehter.
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Alright Ollessendro, I didn't see Walker at Cov, just going on what I saw last season. I think he's improving all the time and will eventually become a very good centre half.

As for Killa, I'm talking specifically about Killa, not just quick skillfull players. And you're right, Ugo and Killa looked decent last season, but I always felt they were very close to being a catastrophy, ie they were very good but were treading a fine line, perhaps by luck more than good judgement.

I believe that Killa needs a leader alongside him. i'm not saying that Morgs is more skillfull with his feet and Killa is more of a thinker (i'm sure he'd do well in Holland and Italy) I like him, but I think it takes him a while to adjust to a new regime and needs that extra kick up the backside at times.
 
SwissBlade said:
They looked solid, but we don't have fantastic pace between the pair of them. The good thing is that they both read the game well (perhaps better than Killa, but they have more experience than him)

I did my slating of Killa earlier in the season and as long as his head is right he's an excellent player in this Division even if he's a bit of a nonce at times.

A mate of mine said the other day that Killa needs a Morgs, more than Morgs needs Killa. Got to say I agree. But to be fair they've both complimented each other very well in the last couple of seasons.

So I'd rather keep Killa as well and have some real competition in the back four.

But for now, Morgs and Siep have the shirts and to be honest its theres to lose.
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Someone who knows far more about football than I do once told me that pace is not important for a centre back if they can read the game. One of the finest centre-back performances we've had in recent times was Paul McGrath - dodgy knees and all.

On his day Killa can be excellent, but I've not forgotten his abject performance against Wigan when we were relegated. Heskey, who up to then had had a relatively poor season, wiped the floor with him.
 
broomhillblade said:
Someone who knows far more about football than I do once told me that pace is not important for a centre back if they can read the game.
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I'd go along with that. In possesion the two abilities I'd want a CB to have are the awareness to see where the midfield and attackers are, and then to make the best possible pass (and quick, usually).
Bombing forward? Then they become an extra midfielder; if you've got a shite midfield it's a bonus, but I don't think we have now, and I dont think relying on defenders to stretch the cover they give is a healthy tactic.
 
If Fortune is fit, he's able backup along with Walker, so I'm not too bothered.

What is it about Fortune's uniformly terrible performances that makes you see him as able back up?

(I've never understood this mentality, ie "ah, he's only back up, it doesn't matter how good he is". There must be some minimum standards even for a reserve, and on the basis of what we've seen Fortune doesn't come anywhere near them).

On his day Killa can be excellent, but I've not forgotten his abject performance against Wigan when we were relegated. Heskey, who up to then had had a relatively poor season, wiped the floor with him.

I am unconvinced that Killa will cut it in the PL, actually. It was a small sample size, but he didn't play well there when we went down. Mind you, Heskey was outstanding that day.
 
broomhillblade said:
Someone who knows far more about football than I do once told me that pace is not important for a centre back if they can read the game..
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I'm in agreeance with this..... but unless you read the game like John Terry (one of the best in my opinion) then you're going to struggle against some of the faster players.
 
broomhillblade said:
Someone who knows far more about football than I do once told me that pace is not important for a centre back if they can read the game. One of the finest centre-back performances we've had in recent times was Paul McGrath - dodgy knees and all.
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Broomhill is spot on here. Those hadful of games we played with McGraph in the team he looked brilliant. We are talking about a guy with shot knees, who didn't train or warm up and fuck knows how many units of alcohol he necked a day. But his positional sense was simply brilliant.

Revolution said:
If Fortune is fit, he's able backup along with Walker, so I'm not too bothered.

What is it about Fortune's uniformly terrible performances that makes you see him as able back up?

(I've never understood this mentality, ie "ah, he's only back up, it doesn't matter how good he is". There must be some minimum standards even for a reserve, and on the basis of what we've seen Fortune doesn't come anywhere near them).
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Spot on Revolution. We need anothyer centre half! I'm happy we have Seip; he looks good. But what are the chances that him and Morgs won't get injured or supsended before the end of May? Pretty low I'd say.

We have another centre back. That's a start .... or it's better than last time. But frankly he's not good enough. Against Barnsley he was awful. He came on against Bristol with 5 mins to go to 'sure things up' and was at fault for their equaliser.

Now maybe he is not match fit. Get him in the reserves and playing. He's signed a contract and hence we may as well have him as an option. HOWEVER, we need a decnet centre back as cover. He will have to play some games and he needs to be capable!!! If KB doesn't sign another centre half then I'll be furious. Also, what about if Plymouth suddenly decide they want Seip back? then what? Blackwell has time to bring in a decent, permanent centre half. Get it done Kevin!!!
 
Strange that he thinks Killa was in the promotion winning team.
 
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