Who made up the “£20m” transfer budget?

[Woodwardfan]

That's a tad harsh Pedro. Yes, there are pessimists amongst our ranks, but generally with good reason. To his credit McCabe did say that Wilder had been provided with a healthy budget, and it appears he's been as good as his word. For a first season budget I'm hopeful, no more as this is going to be a tough campaign. Attracting players was either going to be easy or we'd be faced with agents who question our sustainability at this level. Wilder's managed to get a good blend of younger types who are technically gifted, who have pace, and with our existing squad should give us a good chance of remaining a Prem team next season. By which time we'll be looking to repeat this window's achievements and look to buy our first £30million player..........but that's being a bit fanciful, first the season ahead of us.

Returning to my opening line, we may have pessimists, but to call them cunts seems inappropriate. Just my view fella, but it kind of explains what the forum's here for, for United supporters to express their, often, uninformed opinions. Wrong they may be, but what's the flip-side of that? Being a smug twat? Being able to use hindsight as a means of emphasising the virtue of being 'right'? As if any of that really mattered anyway.

Itsy, well said.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Considering that I've grown up following United when they wouldn't spend a penny, we've had all the rumours in 70's it was Frannie Lee coming. Now though we are spending and looking like we really do intend to stay in PL this time, let's enjoy the players that are coming in. We are not buying for buying sake Wilder is very astute and, he knows what he wants and goes all out to get it I've seen it when we had to rely on supporters buying a player Glynn Hodges springs to mind but, what a buy he was.

Great post. Wilder is a seasoned manager with 800 plus games experience and has dealt with various boards in different circumstances. Added to that experience the man has common sense, a common touch and charisma; an irresistible combination. He is the man in control of this club and long may he reign.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I get all of that BB, never let it be said that the forum suffers from posters being restrained in their opinions.

I suppose I was getting at the casual, but sometimes unnecessary, use of words that if spoken face to face would result in physical violence. I'm not attempting to act like a censor, but rather than rattle something off as if it's the next Nobel prize, perhaps consider what the use of certain words can do in contributing to a less than considered and thoughtful platform. I enjoy coming here, I like to read what are usually decent thoughts and opinions. Yes, sometimes there are posters who seem to remove their 'grown-up' restraints and employ the tools of the school playground, but overall the mix of views and topics is worth the effort.

Hope that helps.

And that was expressed by you in a very thoughtful thread on that very subject some time ago.

 

[Joeblades1]

Total Outlay with add ons for all these deals is approx 45.mill..probably had to fork out 30 to 35 up front.. Add another 10 to 15 to fork out end of the season when we survive jobs a good un. Very impressed well happy. We are progressing at the rate of knots. excellent business. going to shut a whole lot of people up this season bring it on!!

 

[Bill Johnson]

Countless threads and posts. Never ending boring pissing contests. Sad egos. One upmanship. Smart arse I'm wittier than you crap. He said she said bollox.
Shoe sizes way bigger than IQ s.

The board and management deliver a stunning transfer window which by all accounts isn t finished yet.
Sadly neither is the pathetic personal agenda driven childish rubbish.

 

[I should coco]

Countless threads and posts.

So exactly how many should there have been then?

Sad egos. One upmanship. Smart arse I'm wittier than you crap

As opposed to 'woe is me' misery laden tripe?

 

[Bill Johnson]

So exactly how many should there have been then?



As opposed to 'woe is me' misery laden tripe?

Quelle surprise.
Didn't even cast and into the net it jumps.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Quelle surprise.
Didn't even cast and into the net it jumps.

Hey, this thread is going really well without nonsense.

 

[Yewsman]

Great post. Wilder is a seasoned manager with 800 plus games experience and has dealt with various boards in different circumstances. Added to that experience the man has common sense, a common touch and charisma; an irresistible combination. He is the man in control of this club and long may he reign.

Yes and how differently he seems to do recruitment compared with Adkins and Clough for example. Adkins only seemed to recruit players he had had at other clubs and clearly did not do his home work before signing them Hammond and the other one (forgotten his name but not Billy!). Clough seemed to go out and sign ex-players plus others who were useless. Seemed to be no planned recruitment or research. (James Wallace, Baxter, Brandy, full back from Peterborough and many others to numerous to mention and whose names I have long since forgotten). Didn't even but a centre half when we had none on the books (apart from Collins who he wouldn't play). Never heard of any "bids" being made - we just seemed to buy them so presumably paid what their clubs asked.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yes and how differently he seems to do recruitment compared with Adkins and Clough for example. Adkins only seemed to recruit players he had had at other clubs and clearly did not do his home work before signing them Hammond and the other one (forgotten his name but not Billy!). Clough seemed to go out and sign ex-players plus others who were useless. Seemed to be no planned recruitment or research. (James Wallace, Baxter, Brandy, full back from Peterborough and many others to numerous to mention and whose names I have long since forgotten). Didn't even but a centre half when we had none on the books (apart from Collins who he wouldn't play). Never heard of any "bids" being made - we just seemed to buy them so presumably paid what their clubs asked.

How true. newsagent brother-in-law who looked at local news for one and the other had a fixation on past players - Billy yes, glad he did - Hammond, Woolford No; who knows what would have come next and yet, look at us now!! McCabe's best day's work ever, appointing the Messiah.

 

[Harrisblade]

That's a tad harsh Pedro. Yes, there are pessimists amongst our ranks, but generally with good reason. To his credit McCabe did say that Wilder had been provided with a healthy budget, and it appears he's been as good as his word. For a first season budget I'm hopeful, no more as this is going to be a tough campaign. Attracting players was either going to be easy or we'd be faced with agents who question our sustainability at this level. Wilder's managed to get a good blend of younger types who are technically gifted, who have pace, and with our existing squad should give us a good chance of remaining a Prem team next season. By which time we'll be looking to repeat this window's achievements and look to buy our first £30million player..........but that's being a bit fanciful, first the season ahead of us.

Returning to my opening line, we may have pessimists, but to call them cunts seems inappropriate. Just my view fella, but it kind of explains what the forum's here for, for United supporters to express their, often, uninformed opinions. Wrong they may be, but what's the flip-side of that? Being a smug twat? Being able to use hindsight as a means of emphasising the virtue of being 'right'? As if any of that really mattered anyway.

Not forgetting that we, the pessimistic cunts, have been right for many, many years.
Damn that Wilder- our previous existence as blown away as the dust!

 

[Pedro Verde]

Maybe the choice of words is a little harsh but a number of posters pointed out why the £20m was unlikely and why in all probability we’ll spend more but some chose not to believe them. Some even chose to argue with them. Some, probably ‘innocently’ but others with a anti-board agenda used it as a stick to beat the owners with, whilst spreading fear and misinformation.

Its the same ones with this agenda and others that are so gullable they read something in a newspaper and think its true, then they all go on a slagging spree instead of waiting to see what we actually spend and then posting a considered opinion of what has actually happened in the transfer window

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well for once even the biggest club critic knows weer moster munnehs gone.

Surely?

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

We were told many many moons ago, that if we ever got here to think Liverpool were we not ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

We were told many many moons ago, that if we ever got here to think Liverpool were we not ?

Almost. By someone no longer connected with the club.

 

[Tezza1889]

I'm surprised because a few months ago in January prince bog roll couldn't stump his half up of 500k and Kev had to pay his bit.. so I'm reyt surprised.

(Unless were sold either way and the new owners told the current buffoons to spend now, regardless, as they'd be paid back) but that's just me dreaming..

Ahem..

 

[Pinchy]

Would it hurt to give the owners a little credit? I never bought the £20m bollocks but some did and gleefully lapped it up. They are now very disappointed because denigrating their “own club” is their raisin d’être.

I never thought we’d spend as much as this, though I urged boldness in my posts from the minute we got promotion, saying we should not spoil the ship for a ha’porth of tar and not repeat the errors of Warnock’s relegation tour.

Nobody in their right minds could now accuse our club of lacking ambition. Sadly some aren’t and they will.

Well done owners. You’ve done us proud.

 

[Pinchy]

I'm surprised because a few months ago in January prince bog roll couldn't stump his half up of 500k and Kev had to pay his bit.. so I'm reyt surprised.

(Unless were sold either way and the new owners told the current buffoons to spend now, regardless, as they'd be paid back) but that's just me dreaming..

Ahem..

No appreciation or acknowledgement then? Pathetic, agenda-driven bollocks.

 

[Tezza1889]

Said we needed to spend around 50 - 70 mill to survive, I'm as shocked as anybody that were looking at 20 mill for one deal... Yes I echo what you say, bravo. But where's it coming from?

 

[Tezza1889]

So back in jan we are almost at the wall. And you want me to herald the backing now. Where's it come from..

Dead simple and why should I just clap away..

Where has it come from..??

No appreciation or acknowledgement then? Pathetic, agenda-driven bollocks.

 

[Tezza1889]

This has all the hallmarks of robson, yes we need to survive and I get it, and yes it's fucking great. But we're still in a courtroom battle with two people who almost took us into liquidation in January, and these are facts..

Unless we sell a big player (O'Connell) or the like I don't see where these riches come from, unless we have a sleeping partner already, and yes it's common in bussiness to have that..

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Said we needed to spend around 50 - 70 mill to survive, I'm as shocked as anybody that were looking at 20 mill for one deal... Yes I echo what you say, bravo. But where's it coming from?

Is that a serious question ?

 

[Pinchy]

So back in jan we are almost at the wall. And you want me to herald the backing now. Where's it come from..

Dead simple and why should I just clap away..

Where has it come from..??

Not you, that’s for sure! If you can’t appreciate the ‘buffoons’ who have funded unprecedented spending including breaking our transfer record four times in the blink of an eye, then you’re on different tramlines to anyone with a brain cell or two.

These are fantastic times to be a Blade, but people like you constantly strive for shades of black. It’s truly embarrassing.

 

[Pinchy]

Said we needed to spend around 50 - 70 mill to survive, I'm as shocked as anybody that were looking at 20 mill for one deal... Yes I echo what you say, bravo. But where's it coming from?

The vast majority, whether shocked or not, are also prepared to offer some appreciation to those who have made this amazing outlay possible. One of them (who you style a buffoon) has funded our club for two decades to the tune of approximately £110m of his own money. That’s about the same as the Sky windfall. He could have asked for a massive repayment. He hasn’t.

Sorry it wasn’t £20m. That would have suited your agenda far better.

 

[Tezza1889]

No it isn't, were reading a court case where they're both saying they haven't the funds and are running a loss making business, one has said the other couldn't meet his half of the deal in January and therefore was taking us into administration.

Mcabe paid both parts until the prince provided his half thus averting a potential administration issue. It's all in the minutes from the court case, so in all honesty and regardless of any dice rolling from both owners, where has the money come from ?

Personally I'm hoping we have a silent partner or in my opinion were going back down the robson road should we not survive ..

Up to you what you think, I do think we're being backed over and above the capabilities of the current ownership, I'm not bring negative about the backing., Just the aftermath if we don't stay up ..

 

[Sean Thornton]

This has all the hallmarks of robson, yes we need to survive and I get it, and yes it's fucking great. But we're still in a courtroom battle with two people who almost took us into liquidation in January, and these are facts..

Unless we sell a big player (O'Connell) or the like I don't see where these riches come from, unless we have a sleeping partner already, and yes it's common in bussiness to have that..

You are the only one I’ve seen who has accused them of almost taking us to liquidation. The only one. That’s because it isn’t a fact.

 

[Tezza1889]

Just read your comments about mcabe, the same mcabe that chased hull up the car park and took 2mill for Maguire to keep the club afloat.. I won't bring Kyle walker into it..

Yes a very generous act to carry on funding the club, a player we all knew would be head and shoulders above the level we were at .

He stated he needed that 2million to pay the staff, so again, bravo for backing us up now..

But where's it coming from?

Is it such a difficult question?

 

[Tezza1889]

You are the only one I’ve seen who has accused them of almost taking us to liquidation. The only one. That’s because it isn’t a fact.

Was in the minutes of the court case notes.. re the bin laden loan..

Edit: and in the star.. if memory serves me right .

 

[Sean Thornton]

Was in the minutes of the court case notes.. re the bin laden loan..

I believe the phrase used was “approaching insolvency” or something very similar. I’m certain there was no mention of liquidation, which is a very different beast even from administration and was never going to happen in any case.

 

[Dec]

Tezza1889 are you aware that we have been promoted to the Premier League? Are you aware that you tend to get a bit of money to throw around in said Premier League?