A smoke-free Bramall Lane

[alcoblade]

Unfortunately for the smokers/vapers it’s tough shit! It’s a Premier League rule and the fact that the Kop and South Stand have open air areas doesn’t matter to the Premier League.

So the choice for the smokers/vapers is to wait until they leave the Lane to smoke/vape or don’t go to matches.

Or do it anyway and fuck the poor stewards off, just like the last time they tried it.

 

[Dkc]

Unfortunately for the smokers/vapers it’s tough shit! It’s a Premier League rule and the fact that the Kop and South Stand have open air areas doesn’t matter to the Premier League.

So the choice for the smokers/vapers is to wait until they leave the Lane to smoke/vape or don’t go to matches.

Unfortunately, for people like you who can't live and let live it's tough shit! Because there are a hell of a lot of people who don't give a toss what the PL say, and will be aware that the stewards aren't going to bother them if the light up a fag in the open air at half time.

Why don't you stop going to games if it bothers you so much?

 

[super_pig]

Unfortunately for the smokers/vapers it’s tough shit! It’s a Premier League rule and the fact that the Kop and South Stand have open air areas doesn’t matter to the Premier League.

So the choice for the smokers/vapers is to wait until they leave the Lane to smoke/vape or don’t go to matches.

smoking isn’t the same as vaping.. most vapers are trying to give up smoking
in fact fuck it.. perhaps we should all be simply shot but remember let him who is without sin cast the first stone

 

[YES Blade]

smoking isn’t the same as vaping.. most vapers are trying to give up smoking

To the Premier League they are both banned, doesn’t matter if they are different.

 

[super_pig]

To the Premier League they are both banned, doesn’t matter if they are different.

heh .. it’s a NO from yes blade then..

 

[YES Blade]

Unfortunately, for people like you who can't live and let live it's tough shit! Because there are a hell of a lot of people who don't give a toss what the PL say, and will be aware that the stewards aren't going to bother them if the light up a fag in the open air at half time.

Why don't you stop going to games if it bothers you so much?

I generally stay in my seat at half time so it doesn’t bother me if anyone wants to break the rules.

I’m sure you’ll give a toss about the Premier League rule if you’ve had your season ticket taken off you.

 

[YES Blade]

Or do it anyway and fuck the poor stewards off, just like the last time they tried it.

I think a lot of fans will follow the rule to be honest, is it worth risking losing your season ticket with no refund over a fag/vape?

 

[alcoblade]

I think a lot of fans will follow the rule to be honest, is it worth risking losing your season ticket with no refund over a fag/vape?

It’s very easy to disguise where I use it, nobody has the breath it, so I’m fairly sure it will be “as you were”.

 

[diode_blade]

Poor owd stewards will be really buggered then in winter when it's -1 at HT...everyone will be vaping breath out of their mouths...h'mmm

 

[PokerBlade]

Unfortunately for the smokers/vapers it’s tough shit! It’s a Premier League rule and the fact that the Kop and South Stand have open air areas doesn’t matter to the Premier League.

So the choice for the smokers/vapers is to wait until they leave the Lane to smoke/vape or don’t go to matches.

Sure, it's the rules. Which is the same reason we can't have safe standing areas or beer in the stands. The question is whether those are good rules.

 

[Dkc]

I generally stay in my seat at half time so it doesn’t bother me if anyone wants to break the rules.

I’m sure you’ll give a toss about the Premier League rule if you’ve had your season ticket taken off you.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread - that's not gonna happen, unless you are daft enough to smoke in your seats. The stewards have very limited powers. You aren't obliged to provide them with ID or identify yourself to them. They're often students on minimum wage. People will just tell them to fuck off. There are no coppers in the ground any more, and even if there were they wouldn't intervene.

I can happily go without a fag for two hours, and sure smoking's harmful but the principle isn't related to this and it is important. We've known smoking's harmful for about 60 years now, and have banned it in indoor public places. Fine. But it's still perfectly legal outdoors and about one in five of us smokes. Most smokers are considerate. We're not talking about smoking in the Family Stand toilets, we're talking about smoking at the bottom of the kop steps, in the open air, well away from the seats. With thousands milling about.

For well over 100 years it's been a Bramall Lane tradition for fans to congregate below the kop and enjoy a drink and those who smoke, a fag. The PL doesn't own the club. The spiritual owners of the Kop are the Sheffield fans, the Shoreham Boys, who have been supporting this club through thick and thin, for generation after generation.

Smoking below the kop steps will only end if the majority of the kop finds it unacceptable. Not when the PL tells us.

 

[YES Blade]

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread - that's not gonna happen, unless you are daft enough to smoke in your seats. The stewards have very limited powers. You aren't obliged to provide them with ID or identify yourself to them. They're often students on minimum wage. People will just tell them to fuck off. There are no coppers in the ground any more, and even if there were they wouldn't intervene.

I can happily go without a fag for two hours, and sure smoking's harmful but the principle isn't related to this and it is important. We've known smoking's harmful for about 60 years now, and have banned it in indoor public places. Fine. But it's still perfectly legal outdoors and about one in five of us smokes. Most smokers are considerate. We're not talking about smoking in the Family Stand toilets, we're talking about smoking at the bottom of the kop steps, in the open air, well away from the seats. With thousands milling about.

For well over 100 years it's been a Bramall Lane tradition for fans to congregate below the kop and enjoy a drink and those who smoke, a fag. The PL doesn't own the club. The spiritual owners of the Kop are the Sheffield fans, the Shoreham Boys, who have been supporting this club through thick and thin, for generation after generation.

Smoking below the kop steps will only end if the majority of the kop finds it unacceptable. Not when the PL tells us.

It was tradition to smoke on the terraces/seats but that doesn’t happen anymore, things change in life.

The problem is if the club created a smoking area, there will always be a few that can’t be arsed to walk a bit further so will just smoke in the toilets. As with anything like this it’s the minority that will spoil it for the majority.

At the end of the day this is a Premier League rule, so it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks it will be in place next season. It remains to be seen how strictly it will be enforced, but as this is the Premier League and they are all about the brand I could see them expecting their clubs to take a zero tolerance approach.

If anyone is going to tell a steward to “fuck off”, then I think they should be banned anyway. Being abusive to someone doing their job isn’t acceptable in football or any other situation for that matter.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Let me get this straight then. We need:

• A smoking section
• A vaping section
• A beer section
• A singing section
• A standing section
• A perfume section
• An ITK section
• A whingeing section
• A Werther's section
• A pie section
• A bloggers section
• A pyro section
• A clappers section
• And finally, one for me - a latecomers section

Is everybody happy?

 

[Bert]

Let me get this straight then. We need:

• A smoking section
• A vaping section
• A beer section
• A singing section
• A standing section
• A perfume section
• An ITK section
• A whingeing section
• A Werther's section
• A pie section
• A bloggers section
• A pyro section
• A clappers section
• And finally, one for me - a latecomers section

Is everybody happy?

Where's the Bert section?

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Where's the Bert section?

Sorry, I forgot:

• A red carpet section

 

[Nick Jansky]

It was tradition to smoke on the terraces/seats but that doesn’t happen anymore, things change in life.

The problem is if the club created a smoking area, there will always be a few that can’t be arsed to walk a bit further so will just smoke in the toilets. As with anything like this it’s the minority that will spoil it for the majority.

At the end of the day this is a Premier League rule, so it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks it will be in place next season. It remains to be seen how strictly it will be enforced, but as this is the Premier League and they are all about the brand I could see them expecting their clubs to take a zero tolerance approach.

If anyone is going to tell a steward to “fuck off”, then I think they should be banned anyway. Being abusive to someone doing their job isn’t acceptable in football or any other situation for that matter.

Smokers will continue to smoke at the bottom of the kop steps and because of the numbers involved the stewards won’t get involved. That’s how it is, it won’t affect you so get over it.

 

[BigBed]

Sounds like they are going to come down hard on the smokers (see main site for details). Going to cause no end of bother behind the kop UTB

Why?, atleast everyone within a mile, will be able to see the back of the stand now!

 

[BigBed]

Let me get this straight then. We need:

• A smoking section
• A vaping section
• A beer section
• A singing section
• A standing section
• A perfume section
• An ITK section
• A whingeing section
• A Werther's section
• A pie section
• A bloggers section
• A pyro section
• A clappers section
• And finally, one for me - a latecomers section

Is everybody happy?

Or we can just abbreviate, and call it, "Behind the KOP"?

 

[Dkc]

It was tradition to smoke on the terraces/seats but that doesn’t happen anymore, things change in life.

Yes, they do. Attitudes to smoking have changed. The Bradford fire affected smoking in the same way as Hillsborough ended standing at top flight games. Smoking is now banned in the seats, and most agree that's a good thing. Instead, people go outside for a smoke, away from the seated areas.

The problem is if the club created a smoking area, there will always be a few that can’t be arsed to walk a bit further so will just smoke in the toilets. As with anything like this it’s the minority that will spoil it for the majority.

Saying there shouldn't be a smoking area because a minority might not respect it is like saying we shouldn't have pavements because a few pedestrians might still walk on the road. Utter bollocks and a moot point anyway because no one's advocating an official smoking area. We're in the PL now, remember. It's not allowed.

At the end of the day this is a Premier League rule, so it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks it will be in place next season. It remains to be seen how strictly it will be enforced, but as this is the Premier League and they are all about the brand I could see them expecting their clubs to take a zero tolerance approach.

It does matter what the fans think. They are the life and soul of the club. The Premier League is a rich company based in London, whose job consists mainly of marketing a football competition and getting rich of the TV rights. In an SUFC context, it matters more what the fans at the Lane think than what the PL thinks.

As for a "zero torerence" approach, are you serious? How exactly are a few minimum wage stewards going to get hundreds if not thousands of people to put out their half time smoke? Especially as they have no power of arrest or even to ask for ID? Snatch squads?

If anyone is going to tell a steward to “fuck off”, then I think they should be banned anyway. Being abusive to someone doing their job isn’t acceptable in football or any other situation for that matter.

If fans got banned for telling others to fuck off our average attendance would be about 500. Try spending some time in the real world.

 

[YES Blade]

Yes, they do. Attitudes to smoking have changed. The Bradford fire affected smoking in the same way as Hillsborough ended standing at top flight games. Smoking is now banned in the seats, and most agree that's a good thing. Instead, people go outside for a smoke, away from the seated areas.

Saying there shouldn't be a smoking area because a minority might not respect it is like saying we shouldn't have pavements because a few pedestrians might still walk on the road. Utter bollocks and a moot point anyway because no one's advocating an official smoking area. We're in the PL now, remember. It's not allowed.


It does matter what the fans think. They are the life and soul of the club. The Premier League is a rich company based in London, whose job consists mainly of marketing a football competition and getting rich of the TV rights. In an SUFC context, it matters more what the fans at the Lane think than what the PL thinks.

As for a "zero torerence" approach, are you serious? How exactly are a few minimum wage stewards going to get hundreds if not thousands of people to put out their half time smoke? Especially as they have no power of arrest or even to ask for ID? Snatch squads?
If fans got banned for telling others to fuck off our average attendance would be about 500. Try spending some time in the real world.

So let me get this straight, if someone is breaking a stadium rule and a steward points this out in a polite manner and asked them to stop, you believe it’s ok to tell them to “fuck off”?

It’s no wonder football fans get a bad reputation.

 

[YES Blade]

Smokers will continue to smoke at the bottom of the kop steps and because of the numbers involved the stewards won’t get involved. That’s how it is, it won’t affect you so get over it.

So why does this thread even exist if it’s going to be business as usual? This pointless rule isn’t going to be enforced so why are the smokers moaning about it?

 

[Nick Jansky]

So why does this thread even exist if it’s going to be business as usual? This pointless rule isn’t going to be enforced so why are the smokers moaning about it?

I don’t know why it exists, I’m not the OP. I don’t see many smokers moaning, other than about the PL, just saying that people will still smoke at the back of the kop and the stewards won’t be able to prevent it. Which seems fair.

 

[RavBlade]

I am thinking of taking up smoking as a hobby. I’ve been reading all about it and it sounds great. I think I’m going to go for a Sherlock Holmes style briar. I have one passed down to me from my grandfather who died of throat cancer before I was even born. It’s got a very deep bowl, fashioned into a Bison’s Head, and a long curved stem. I am going to buy some Erinmore or Ogden’s Flake tobacco and get sparking up. I think I’ll look really cool and sophisticated.

Does anyone know the best area of the Lane for smoking? Preferably somewhere where I can easily be seen on telly with my briar?

Please do...... you won't be missed

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Please do...... you won't be missed

Aww thanks!

 

[YES Blade]

I don’t know why it exists, I’m not the OP. I don’t see many smokers moaning, other than about the PL, just saying that people will still smoke at the back of the kop and the stewards won’t be able to prevent it. Which seems fair.

Which is fine, I just don’t think the club will pay lip service to a Premier League rule and they will try to crack down on it.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Which is fine, I just don’t think the club will pay lip service to a Premier League rule and they will try to crack down on it.

Like all the other PL clubs do about fans remaining seated, not entering the ground intoxicated & not using offensive language? We’ll see.

 

[RavBlade]

Yes, they do. Attitudes to smoking have changed. The Bradford fire affected smoking in the same way as Hillsborough ended standing at top flight games. Smoking is now banned in the seats, and most agree that's a good thing. Instead, people go outside for a smoke, away from the seated areas.

Saying there shouldn't be a smoking area because a minority might not respect it is like saying we shouldn't have pavements because a few pedestrians might still walk on the road. Utter bollocks and a moot point anyway because no one's advocating an official smoking area. We're in the PL now, remember. It's not allowed.


It does matter what the fans think. They are the life and soul of the club. The Premier League is a rich company based in London, whose job consists mainly of marketing a football competition and getting rich of the TV rights. In an SUFC context, it matters more what the fans at the Lane think than what the PL thinks.

As for a "zero torerence" approach, are you serious? How exactly are a few minimum wage stewards going to get hundreds if not thousands of people to put out their half time smoke? Especially as they have no power of arrest or even to ask for ID? Snatch squads?
If fans got banned for telling others to fuck off our average attendance would be about 500. Try spending some time in the real world.

Its illegal under the health & safety welfare regulations and probably under health and safety stadiums regulations. Dont shoot the messenger by the way

 

[RavBlade]

Aww thanks!

Welcome. I'd send you a nice card. Honest !!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Welcome. I'd send you a nice card. Honest !!

I am moved by your generosity!

Be nice to me now though whilst I’m alive? And I’ll share my bubble pipe with you.

 

[metalblade]

Seems to be a bit of a stupid rule from the Premier League I don't have a problem with people smoking in the open air that's their choice but no I wouldn't want it in an enclosed concourse or in the seat next to me. I think it should be up to the clubs if they have open air places let people have a smoke. I am an ex smoker so I do know what it is like to not be allowed to smoke in enclosed areas like boozers and such and always respected that. The world is all PC now though back in the day you could go in a pub and smoke in the tap room, if you didn't smoke you went in the lounge no one forced their ideas on anyone. This worked and we all got along fine but now it is do this or else and to counter this it is the few who say I'll do what I want anyway fuck everyone else. It is all a bit childish at the end of the day, I quit smoking back in 2011 with no help from patches or e-cigs then again when death is staring you in the face and the doctor in intensive care tells you your next cig could be your last it tends to focus your mind a little.