CONFIRMED Duffy joins Stoke City on loan

[PeterNdlovu081]

 

[Brownieblade]

TBF to Duffy he could do all that has been suggested then could be put on transfer list or could have a bid accepted for him Friday and be out

Think this is a realisation from him and agent that he has dropped down pecking order, no idea when he went to see Wilder but I’m guessing it happened after Freeman/RM/Robinson came in etc and even if we don’t think some of them are direct replacements could see why he sees it different

Think Wilder has done right thing here, maybe it’s other dealings with other agents which has led to getting annoyed with Duffy agent etc if he is

 

[wizadry]

If we’re bringing players in who play a similar role to Duffy, are yet to prove themselves at the top level and are getting paid more than Duffy who has proved himself at our club then I can see why he’d want a bigger pay cheque. Now I’m not saying this is the case but it is a possibility that Duffys’ agent has got wind of it and Duffy feels aggrieved, this will test Wilders resolve at the very top and it’s decisions like this that can make or break a season.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

So he's gone up against Tufty, called his bluff and lost. Shame, not least of all from his own professional point of view but we move on.

Integral part of what we've achieved and the great football for the past 3 seasons and will always be remembered for that goal.

Cheers Mark.

 

[bertieblade]

How much is he worth?
Wilder saw him as a bit part player, but no doubt someone who could influence matches in a cameo role. Freeman, Robinson, Morrison and Mcgoldrick all seem capable of competing with him for a similar role in the team and subsequently he must have been aware that he was likely to see less time on the pitch.
He was previously happy with his improved contract yet must be aware that if not to play much this season, he subsequently was not in a position to demand another year.
He will hope to receive interest from top end championship teams for at least a two year contract, but I doubt on similar monies to the “premiership” wages that he is on with us but hoping that the extra year and signing on fee will more than compensate as an overall package.
He will no doubt receive more if we do not demand a fee but do we?
I would suggest asking for £250k to start with, but teams will I assume not be prepared to pay anything, knowing that they could get him For free in January and it is likely that we will be frozen out by us and possibly effect team moral. The power is with the player (again) and who can blame him, but remember loyalty works two ways and there is no doubt he will have earned more and enjoyed life more at SUFC since he signed than at any other club he could have moved to.
He has burnt his bridges with Wilder and unfortunately with me as well

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Duffy has been an unbelievable servant for this club and undoubtedly one of the reason we’re where we are today.

My only negative to him is his attitude, last season when he was dropped for the first few game his wife and Billy sharp’s were voicing their opinions on social media, unprofessional.

This contract issue hasn’t been handled well either, Wilder would have given him a chance in the Prem I have no doubt about that. Wilder made reference to his journey and him returning to Liverpool his boyhood club in most of his promotion interviews. He’s clearly just had a pay rise following promotion, he’s 34 in a few months. In my opinion he should have got his head down and earned another year.

We can go around offering 34 year olds 2/3 year contracts it doesn’t make financial sense.

 

[Le Cynique]

Duffy has been an unbelievable servant for this club and undoubtedly one of the reason we’re where we are today.

My only negative to him is his attitude, last season when he was dropped for the first few game his wife and Billy sharp’s were voicing their opinions on social media, unprofessional.

This contract issue hasn’t been handled well either, Wilder would have given him a chance in the Prem I have no doubt about that. Wilder made reference to his journey and him returning to Liverpool his boyhood club in most of his promotion interviews. He’s clearly just had a pay rise following promotion, he’s 34 in a few months. In my opinion he should have got his head down and earned another year.

We can go around offering 34 year olds 2/3 year contracts it doesn’t make financial sense.

Their wives aren't employees of SUFC. My wife sometimes moans about my employer (as do a great many members of my extended family). However, as her husband, not her master, it's not up to me to tell her to can it. She has a right to her opinion, and a right to voice that opinion as she sees fit.

 

[Pinchy]

Their wives aren't employees of SUFC. My wife sometimes moans about my employer (as do a great many members of my extended family). However, as her husband, not her master, it's not up to me to tell her to can it. She has a right to her opinion, and a right to voice that opinion as she sees fit.

If she does so publicly, she can expect a public reaction. It’s a right, but not a good idea.

 

[Weasel]

Their wives aren't employees of SUFC. My wife sometimes moans about my employer (as do a great many members of my extended family). However, as her husband, not her master, it's not up to me to tell her to can it. She has a right to her opinion, and a right to voice that opinion as she sees fit.

You are quite correct in your statement that they do not control what their wives may or may not put on social media for all the world to potentially see.

That said, if i was in their position, the chances are i would tell my missus that i would be disappointed with her if she goes on facebook etc and had a biy of a pop at my gaffer (even if i agreed with her behind closed doors) as it could potentially make things more difficult for me at work. I would ask her to respect me enough to know me enough to know that i would sort things out face to face with my gaffer if i have a problem or if we have an issue to resolve.

Whilst probably not a major issue, family members going on facebook and having a go at footballers employers, certainly isnt going to add a positive in any way.

 

[Davalon]

How much do we think Duffy earns now after promotion?

I struggle with it but a few seem certain Carruthers is now on 18k a week by virtue of our promotion and a clause in his contract.

If that's true (I sincerely hope not) then Duffy would deserve to be on much more considering his contribution over the last two seasons.

 

[Le Cynique]

You are quite correct in your statement that they do not control what their wives may or may not put on social media for all the world to potentially see.

That said, if i was in their position, the chances are i would tell my missus that i would be disappointed with her if she goes on facebook etc and had a biy of a pop at my gaffer (even if i agreed with her behind closed doors) as it could potentially make things more difficult for me at work. I would ask her to respect me enough to know me enough to know that i would sort things out face to face with my gaffer if i have a problem or if we have an issue to resolve.

Whilst probably not a major issue, family members going on facebook and having a go at footballers employers, certainly isnt going to add a positive in any way.

Absolutely it isn't, but my point is that neither Duffy nor Sharp themselves can be blamed for it and to suggest that they're culpable by not reining their other halves in suggests an unhealthy power dynamic.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Their wives aren't employees of SUFC. My wife sometimes moans about my employer (as do a great many members of my extended family). However, as her husband, not her master, it's not up to me to tell her to can it. She has a right to her opinion, and a right to voice that opinion as she sees fit.

I think you’ve taken the context completely wrong, I’m not saying it in a ‘man should tell his wife what she can and can’t say’ but what I am saying is he knows how this looks to the public. Specifically last season when it was tough initially there were a few moans and groans towards wilder. It’s not good for the whole atmosphere of the club and fan base, sort it in house.

 

[LondonBlade89]

How much do we think Duffy earns now after promotion?

I struggle with it but a few seem certain Carruthers is now on 18k a week by virtue of our promotion and a clause in his contract.

If that's true (I sincerely hope not) then Duffy would deserve to be on much more considering his contribution over the last two seasons.

I'd guess £20k a week. He got his new contract in Jan '18, when we were doing fairly well in the Championship and he was a key player. So I reckon he'd have been offered £15-18k, with a rise to £20k if we were to get promoted. Just a hunch it'll be in that ballpark.

 

[Weasel]

If indeed Carruthers is now on £18k a week after contract conditions kicked in (doubtful in my mind that hes on that amount now irrespective of a promotion but who reallly knows) then as Duffy has signed a new contract after Carruthers did, and on the basis that he was a first team player at that point, i would have expected him and his agent to be astute enough to have made sure that they were on no less money than Carruthers under any circumstances.

He will have got a hefty pay rise, but has probably thought now is the time to go all in and chance my arm for a really big last contract tl set me up for my pension.

Problem is (for him) the timing wasnt right after all, and if hes been advised by his agent, hes been advised badly as they havent learnt how CW operates his new contract policy. He should have fot his head down, fulfilled lifelong ambition such as playing at Anfield in a PL game, and then looked for another 1 year deal in November/ December. Hes made a mistake, but maybe in the long run he will get a 2 year contract at a championship club...mmhh i think i might have gone all in and played at the Lane for the last year of my contract and then tried to get another 1 year early next year.

Seems he has shot himself in the foot a bit really, but it isnt too late. He can still get his head down, tell the gaffer he really wants to stay and compete, be exemplary in training and really appmy himself, and that may go a long way to winning himself another deal at the Lane.

 

[bertieblade]

All the players will be on a basic, plus bonuses for match day squad, substitute appearances, starts etc.
If he does not feature in the squad Duffy will have been on similar money to carruthers. But it’s payment on results as it should be.
Duffy possibly feels he can earn more money as a regular starter in the championship, especially if he gets an extra year.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

If we’re bringing players in who play a similar role to Duffy, are yet to prove themselves at the top level and are getting paid more than Duffy who has proved himself at our club then I can see why he’d want a bigger pay cheque. Now I’m not saying this is the case but it is a possibility that Duffys’ agent has got wind of it and Duffy feels aggrieved, this will test Wilders resolve at the very top and it’s decisions like this that can make or break a season.

The role has changed, the players brought in a different to Duffy. The way Duffy has played in the last few seasons will not work in the PL, we will not have the ball as much, the role will have far more running and checking back than what Duffy is capable of doing (he couldn't manage full games as it was, without increasing the amount of work needed). I guess CWAK have pointed out that he isn't going to get games and indeed probably not be on the bench. Tough world, he's gone from integral part of the team to not in the matchday squad in a matter of weeks.

I hope he gets a decent deal at Blackburn, Preston or Wigan. Close to home and better for his family

 

[I should coco]

I've heard Baldock is in a similar situation. 1 year left and his agent is pushing for more, hence the stories about Celtic 'interest'

I absolutely agree with CW that now is not the right time to be discussing contracts.

Sadly these parasite agents are always on the look out for more moeny and the players seem to just rollover and allow them to dictate the agenda.

BTW, is Sinclair still sat in Midland station?

 

[I should coco]

I hope he gets a decent deal at Blackburn, Preston or Wigan. Close to home and better for his family

If he has actually had some form of 'offer' I can only see DirtyLeeds being able to match the Premier package he'd get if he stayed here.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

If he has actually had some form of 'offer' I can only see DirtyLeeds being able to match the Premier package he'd get if he stayed here.

I doubt anyone would 'match' anything he gets here. My guess is a compromise over fee, allowing for a bigger signing fee for him, coupled with reduced salary will be what is offered. That might still mean only Leeds can afford him, but hopefully something that better suits his circumstance appears.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Duffy might go to Leeds as a Hernandez upgrade.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/...ns-are-urging-whites-to-sign-sheffield-unite/

 

[Mouth of the South]

I totally get that at his age and stage of his career Duffy is looking for as much security as possible in terms of contract length and salary. I would also imagine that others, especially the new signings, will be on more money.

However, he is not in a strong negotiating position - he is approaching 34 and although has shown moments of magic, he has been in & out of the team over the last couple of seasons. He is likely to be behind Freeman in the pecking order next season and that is when CW plays an attacking midfielder so is likely to be an impact sub at best.

I don't blame him for seeking an extension and/or uplift in salary but equally, I don't blame (and actually agree with) CW for not agreeing. The mention of interest elsewhere was most likely used as a lever to persuade CW to agree but appears to have had the opposite effect.

It's now a big decision for Duffy - does he eat humble pie, knuckle down and try to take chances when he's given them at Utd, or look to go elsewhere if he is offered what he's seeking, albeit most probably at Champ level and miss out on the experience of playing in the Prem. My gut feeling is that he'll go and if so, it will be sad for him to leave on a sour note considering his contribution during his time at Utd.

 

[Le Cynique]

I think you’ve taken the context completely wrong, I’m not saying it in a ‘man should tell his wife what she can and can’t say’ but what I am saying is he knows how this looks to the public. Specifically last season when it was tough initially there were a few moans and groans towards wilder. It’s not good for the whole atmosphere of the club and fan base, sort it in house.

Fair play. I've just been on a leadership course at work and the whole unconscious bias thing is probably weighing a bit heavy on my mind

 

[pesch the mini genius]

if only some footballers had their own brains and didnt listen to these money grabbing scum agents

he could easily be part of our squad this season and no doubt he would get his chance and play quite allot and could then get another year at the end of the season with us or go on some where else then , with a year in the prem behind him and possibly have plaed at Anfield etc and also had a year of prem wages

if he keeps his fitness up he could easily play until his late 30's lower down the leagues Imo

 

[super_pig]

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/...ns-are-urging-whites-to-sign-sheffield-unite/

so he gets a 2 year deal. plays a year in the champs . .gets promoted (cough) and ends up with one year in the PL. one year older. back to square one. can't see the logic myself

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He has been integral to everything we've achieved in these past few incredible years. Noone has come close to playing the type of role he offered the side, a touch of class and an incredibly clever player. I'm desperate for this to all blow over. It sounds like he's gone for more money (after a new deal 18 months ago & a premier league pay rise) but that, crucially, he's also gone for longer term assurances and job security.

The fact remains, he's a really useful player and there's no guarantee that his replacements will slot seamlessly into place. For that Reason alone, we should keep him around.

 

[Eza Blade]

I feel/hope this is a bit of a public telling off and get your arse in gear or get out talk.

Love to see him on the bench at Barnsley half a stone over weight from the humble pie munching

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I feel/hope this is a bit of a public telling off and get your arse in gear or get out talk.

Love to see him on the bench at Barnsley half a stone over weight from the humble pie munching

I also would like this outcome, bar him putting on that much weight, which I fear could lead him to getting a club fine.

 

[Tom Bott]

Speed though..

Mark Duffy shares Sheffield United's 'FIFA running stats' in swiftly deleted Instagram post

Mark Duffy has shared Sheffield United’s ‘FIFA running stats’ in a swiftly deleted Instagram post.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Just a day late Dan....other than that, great story.

 

[bromtom]

Just a day late Dan....other than that, great story.

Do online have to be 24 hours late just to make sure the print guys don't have their feelings hurt?