Monty loyalty

[Ollessendro]

In light of the recent 'Kilgallon Loyalty' thread (and some comments made by Grecian 2000) I want to question the loyalty of Nick Montygommery to Sheffield United football club.

Similarly to Kilgallon, Monty's contract is up in the summer. Similar to Kilgallon monty has put in some under par performances this season. Monty has given away 2 needless penalties this season that have lead to goals and us losing points. Not only this but he was responsible for goals against Swansea, Coventry and QPR. He has been under par for the majority of the season and made a lot of uncharcteristic mistakes.

Many people on this forum believe that a dip in form and a contract running out are linked, or highly correlated. Boo radley ceratinaly thinks this. As Monty has not been playing as well as he has in previous seasons and his contract is up in the summer then I feel the need to question his commitment to United. Is the reason why he is not playing so well and keeps making mistakes because he has a contract on his mind? Even the biggest Monty lovers must admit that he is not playing a patch on how he played last season. Is this because his contract runs out in the summer. By using the same 2+2=5 logic that Boo radley and company use in that Kilgallons poor form in our bad spell earlier this season is down to his contract expiring in the summer of 2010, then this must be the case!!??

 

[Muttley]

I can't see that with Monty. He's not one of the Billy Bigtime Boys AND is coming up for a testimonial- something of a rarity in these days of footballing mercenaries.

 

[SwissBlade]

Very Good Ollesendro.

I don't agree with this. For me Killa's dip in form was commitment related i.e. he appeared to pull out of tackles and wasn't putting the effort

One thing that I don't believe anyone could accuse Monty of is lack of commitment. Perhaps he's been over committed at times i.e. playing through injuries instead of sitting games out or putting his foot in too late in the Penalty area etc

Find me an example (just the one) where Monty has bottled a challenge and I might start to take this thread seriously.

 

[SotonBlade]

Didn't Monty reveal the other the week that he'll be signing a new contract soon. That should dispel any theories!

 

[Ollessendro]

Didn't Monty reveal the other the week that he'll be signing a new contract soon. That should dispel any theories!

Talk is cheap. Kilgallon has 'commited himself to United til the end of the season' and 'will asses things then'.

The simple fact is that Monty is out of contract in the summer and playing poorly. If we apply the same logic that when Kilgallon was playing poorly it was because his contract is up, then why can't we do the same for Monty?

 

[Pinchy]

'Uncharacteristic mistakes' is surely a contradiction in terms. Ploddy specialises in mistakes! Are you saying he's making some new ones as well as the usual?

 

[Ollessendro]

Find me an example (just the one) where Monty has bottled a challenge and I might start to take this thread seriously.

I can thing of 2 occasions where he gave away stupid penalties by being over keen. Perhaps this is because he wants to put himself in the shop window as his contract is up?

I can also think of several occassions where he has made mistakes leading to goals. Earlier in the season he completely missed the ball against Coventry which lead to a goal. Perhaps this was because he had contract talks clouding his mind?

 

[Sensiblade]

I can thing of 2 occasions where he gave away stupid penalties by being over keen. Perhaps this is because he wants to put himself in the shop window as his contract is up?

I can also think of several occassions where he has made mistakes leading to goals. Earlier in the season he completely missed the ball against Coventry which lead to a goal. Perhaps this was because he had contract talks clouding his mind?

That's not him bottling challenges though

 

[chrisyb99]

think you would struggle to find anyone more commited to the club than monty, any blade fan 'lover or hater of monty' would not question this so in my opinion I really cant see the point in this thread other than another way of trying to attack monty

 

[davidpinder]

Don't agree he is a footballer they are all grabbers and big timers

 

[davidpinder]

Just so there is no confusion i agree totally with Ollessendro i think he is as bad as killa.

 

[Robbie]

Ollessendro - I usually enjoy reading your posts, but your persistent bashing of Monty is becomming a little embarrasing.

This thread is a poor attempt at another bashing.

As for your insistence that he cost us a goal against QPR, I can't agree.
Agreed he cost us a penalty against Leicester where he did a stupid trip - this happens sometimes.
I can't for the life of me remember the goals vs Swansea and Coventry, or indeed the other penalty. But I'll give you them.

Killas performances have been below par, mainly because he is consistently not going in as much as you would normally expect.
Is Killa trying to make sure he doesn't get injured?
Whereas you can't really attribute the same concerns to Monty

 

[Ollessendro]

think you would struggle to find anyone more commited to the club than monty, any blade fan 'lover or hater of monty' would not question this so in my opinion I really cant see the point in this thread other than another way of trying to attack monty

Chris Morgan perhaps?

And yes, you have completely and utterly missed the point of this thread!!?

 

[Micalijo]

Very Good Ollesendro.

I don't agree with this. For me Killa's dip in form was commitment related i.e. he appeared to pull out of tackles and wasn't putting the effort

One thing that I don't believe anyone could accuse Monty of is lack of commitment. Perhaps he's been over committed at times i.e. playing through injuries instead of sitting games out or putting his foot in too late in the Penalty area etc

Find me an example (just the one) where Monty has bottled a challenge and I might start to take this thread seriously.

Find me an example where you know for a fact that Killa has pulled out of tackle because he is worried about getting injured. Then I might take your comments seriously.

I find you comments on United baffling at the best times, but this type of argument is only just below your Cotterill comments in terms of outright nonsense.

I have seen zero evidence to suggest that Killa is not trying his best and I genuinely believe that the other players would not tolerate a situation where a colleague is not trying. Surely it would be spotted by the players and management? Mind you, when Fortune is the alternative you might have a a point, apologies.

 

[chrisyb99]

Chris Morgan perhaps?

And yes, you have completely and utterly missed the point of this thread!!?

why is morgan more commited than monty? i agree he is also a very comitted member of the team, was the point of the thread you not trying to make comparison's to montys issue and killa's? my comment was stating I dont believe you can make a comparison in my opinion as I believe monty to be a very commited player

is me offering a different opinion to your's 'missing the point of the thread'...........if it is then a offer my most humble apologies if I have mis-read things

 

[Wards]

Points with Monty vs points without Monty. I don't know the answer but I'd wager we've got far more with him in the team?

Loyalty and committment issues from the lad? Give it a break.

 

[Mousey]

Points with Monty vs points without Monty. I don't know the answer but I'd wager we've got far more with him in the team?

Loyalty and committment issues from the lad? Give it a break.

I'm not sure of the exact stats but I think last season it was below 1.5 per game without him and above 2.0 with him.

I know for sure that with him we get more points.

I'd put a testicle on the line that this is the case this season too.

 

[Ollessendro]

Points with Monty vs points without Monty. I don't know the answer but I'd wager we've got far more with him in the team?

Loyalty and committment issues from the lad? Give it a break.

Ok well what about points with Kilgallon in the team and points without Kilgallon in the team?

Mousey do you know that? I'm pretty sure that we perform better when Killa is in the team. Does that mean that he is commited then Wards???

 

[Ollessendro]

Ollessendro - I usually enjoy reading your posts, but your persistent bashing of Monty is becomming a little embarrasing.

This thread is a poor attempt at another bashing.

Thanks Robbie.

But I have to say that you have got this completely wrong. This goes for Wards, ChrisyB and anyone else who thinks that this post is just another dig at Monty. I am not a Monty basher and nor is this thread set to have a pop at him (believe it or not!?). If you have been following the 'Kilgallon loyalty' thread and then read my first post carefully you should understand the real meaning of this thread. I'm not going to explicitly state it (yet) as I am enjoying people taking the bait way too much!!?

 

[Mousey]

Ok well what about points with Kilgallon in the team and points without Kilgallon in the team?

Mousey do you know that? I'm pretty sure that we perform better when Killa is in the team. Does that mean that he is commited then Wards???

I'll leave you to do the Killa stats but Monty's stats are...

With Monty - 17 games, 27 points. Avg PPG 1.59

Without Monty - 7 games, 7 points. Avg PPG 1

SUFC combined - 24 games, 35 points. Avg PPG 1.46

 

[Revolution]

The point of the thread, I assume, is to point out the double standards at work when people question Kilgallon's loyalty but put Monty on a pedestal when:

- the two situations are very similar; and

- no one (or at best very few posters on here) knows what is in each player's heads or what either of them really thinks, yet purport to make judgments on their loyalty and thinking without a shred of evidence to support their theories.

- he may also be testing the water to see how far people will go to defend any negative remark made about Monty. My own recent favourite is Sensiblade disputing the propostions someone put forward to the effect that Monty cannot shoot and is not a regular scorer.

Seems to have worked quite well. Well played, Sir.

 

[Robbie]

I am not a Monty basher and nor is this thread set to have a pop at him (believe it or not!?).[/QUOTE]

I don't ha

- the two situations are very similar.

Similar in that they are both out of contract in the summer and nothing else.

- no one (or at best very few posters on here) knows what is in each player's heads or what either of them really thinks, yet purport to make judgments on their loyalty and thinking without a shred of evidence to support their theories..

How anyone can say Monty is not loyal is beyond me.

Evidence of theories? Well.... Monty has stated he is due to sign a new contract and said he wants to.
Killa is 'willing to see out his contract'

 

[BladeInThatcham]

Don't get Ollessendro mad. You won't like him when he's mad....

 

[Revolution]

Robbie, you're only proving his point.

 

[Pinchy]

I'll leave you to do the Killa stats but Monty's stats are...

With Monty - 17 games, 27 points. Avg PPG 1.59

Without Monty - 6 games, 4 points. Avg PPG 0.67

SUFC combined - 24 games, 35 points. Avg PPG 1.46

1. Our best football this season was against Palace when The Maestro was conspicuous by his absence.

2. Can we have the same stastical comparison for previous seasons please?

 

[Grecian2000]

Without Monty - 6 games, 4 points. Avg PPG 0.67

But that's just not true is it?

For me, the best two halves of football at BDTBL this season were the 1st against P'boro and Palace. Both featuring starts from Williamson/Harper and both being Monty free zones. We picked up SIX points in those two games.

 

[Mousey]

1. Our best football this season was against Palace when The Maestro was conspicuous by his absence.

2. Can we have the same stastical comparison for previous seasons please?

I knew there was a game missing from my stats but couldn't find it

Even still it brings it to 1 point on average without him...

But that's just not true is it?

For me, the best two halves of football at BDTBL this season were the 1st against P'boro and Palace. Both featuring starts from Williamson/Harper and both being Monty free zones. We picked up SIX points in those two games.

I have ammended it. But like I say, it still only equates to a point per game without Monty. Which I'll think you'll find it relegation fodder.

 

[Ollessendro]

Find me an example where you know for a fact that Killa has pulled out of tackle because he is worried about getting injured .......

I have seen zero evidence to suggest that Killa is not trying his best and I genuinely believe that the other players would not tolerate a situation where a colleague is not trying. Surely it would be spotted by the players and management?

Micalijo makes a very good point here. Robbie, Boo radley and several other suggest (or are adamant) that Kilgallon has been pulling out of challenges, 'neshing' it, not putting in the full effort, la de da because he doesn't want to get injured. Of course there is absolutely zero evidence of any of this. It's a complte fabrication. One made up because people are pissed off that Kilgallon won't sign a new contract and/or wants to play for a bugger club.

 

[Grecian2000]

It's a complte fabrication. One made up because people are pissed off that Kilgallon won't sign a new contract and/or wants to play for a bugger club.

If that's the sort of club he wants he can piss of right now.

 

[Stafford Blade]

Monty has played pushing 300 games for the club and people are questioning his loyalty? i wouldn't blame monty if he decided to move on when there's arseholes slagging him off and questioning his commitment.