Ground extentions/Renovations

[penthouseblade]

Push the boat out, make it £20m and have haemorrhoid cushions on every seat and a rotisserie chicken shop on the concourse.

Those cushions are for the second tier on the South Stand surely?! The chicken shop is an idea I can definitely get behind! A pyro store wouldn’t go amiss neither....

Seriously, if was £20m or less I’d be all for getting it done...

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I was thinking about the redevelopment in total rather than just the Kop but I’d want to be established more than a couple of seasons - and that will only happen with player investment - before committing to huge spending on the ground. The plans in existence aren’t for the present owners to develop. They’re for new investors, assuming they have enough money to spend on both.

I agree but a player will stay for a few seasons a developed kop would stay forever I know which I’d prefer

 

[S64 Blade]

The plan should be as follows.

South stand - build an extension behind the current structure and add loads more hospitality along the way.add 3000 to capacity.

Next the Kop - hybrid do up with top 1/2 closed for a season and bottom half left alone. Top half season tickets scattered in new south stand a d BL upper tier.

Add bottom concourse, hospitality section and top tier concourse. . Add 3500 seats and more hospitality. 39,500 seats. Loads more hospitality. It's a premier league ground.

This is how it would happen too, as far as I understand it and it makes sense from both a commercial sense and so that Kopites have a bit more space to move in to, once that is redeveloped (which incidentally also again helps from a commercial point of view).

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think we should build a new out of town stadium to accommodate us whilst BDTBL is being spun round 90°, the kop is rebuilt and extended, the South stand is knocked down and rebuilt further into the car park to accommodate the newly orientated pitch, a second tier should be built on to the JSS, and the Bramall Lane end should be rebuilt over the road.
Then, and this is the far fetched bit, we sell our temporary out of town home to the pigs for a massive profit which would pay for the BL renovations.

I'm available to project manage all this for a modest fee

No mention of a cricket pitch?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Closing the Kop and doing a full rebuild (which has always been my preference if it could be limited to under a year) would knock a third off capacity and the gate receipts. I don’t think that’s unmanageable with the money we’d get from the Premier League. Gate receipts wise we’d be talking of going from roughly £12m to £8m. Obviously plenty would be outraged from the change, but given the likelihood of a long stay in the Prem is I would argue very low, I’d (controversially it seems) be fine to see us build a proper single-tier stand there that we’d never have to do anything to again. We’re not going to ever do it without the Prem cash.

Lost of money and disruption for what might be one seaon.

Buy a centre forward instead.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

No Un-essential ground work until we have been in PL for 3 seasons.

Plough all cash into players

Some common sense

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Starting a new stadium is different to redoing a old one.

Liverpool's bolting on of 5000 seats to their stand is not that different to what the plan is for the south stand. That cost £117 million.

Get the players to take a pay cut, we'll be reight.

 

[Dkc]

If the press area at the top of the South Stand is being extended (the space at the top of the actual stand, not the gantry) that will eat into the capacity. While there may not be fewer actual seats, there will be fewer on sale. Fans can't buy these seats and journos aren't counted in the attendance figures

 

[Blade56]

I’d love to join in the excitement of developing the ground and buying a team to get us us into Europe next season with our new fan friendly billionaire owners Google. However, I then remember our two penniless owners will be back in court on June 4th trying to trick each other out of the PL money.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I agree but a player will stay for a few seasons a developed kop would stay forever I know which I’d prefer

But you aren't paying. While I can obviously see your point, I think far too many miss this aspect, owners aren't necessarily looking long term because they won't see the benefit of their investment.
Couple that with the fact if we're relegated no one will say, "ah well at least we did the ground", the owners will have lost money due to the relegation, and be pillared for not putting more money into the playing staff.

 

[YES Blade]

The more I think about it, the more I think moving to a new stadium would be the better option over the current Kop and South Stand plans. I know it would come up against a lot of opposition but if we want to more forward as a club we would need to evolve.

Nearly 100 years without winning a major trophy suggests we need to think about doing something different!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The more I think about it, the more I think moving to a new stadium would be the better option over the current Kop and South Stand plans. I know it would come up against a lot of opposition but if we want to more forward as a club we would need to evolve.

Nearly 100 years without winning a major trophy suggests we need to think about doing something different!

 

[NuddysGloves]

If the press area at the top of the South Stand is being extended (the space at the top of the actual stand, not the gantry) that will eat into the capacity. While there may not be fewer actual seats, there will be fewer on sale. Fans can't buy these seats and journos aren't counted in the attendance figures

Are you saying that journalists and cats are equal?

 

[s4-blade]

The more I think about it, the more I think moving to a new stadium would be the better option over the current Kop and South Stand plans. I know it would come up against a lot of opposition but if we want to more forward as a club we would need to evolve.

Nearly 100 years without winning a major trophy suggests we need to think about doing something different!

Get fucked

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

But you aren't paying. While I can obviously see your point, I think far too many miss this aspect, owners aren't necessarily looking long term because they won't see the benefit of their investment.
Couple that with the fact if we're relegated no one will say, "ah well at least we did the ground", the owners will have lost money due to the relegation, and be pillared for not putting more money into the playing staff.

Many owners do like wolves who have just announced a ground development up to 45k

We just need new owners , hopefully thats coming soon

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

The more I think about it, the more I think moving to a new stadium would be the better option over the current Kop and South Stand plans. I know it would come up against a lot of opposition but if we want to more forward as a club we would need to evolve.

Nearly 100 years without winning a major trophy suggests we need to think about doing something different!

No Blade.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Many owners do like wolves who have just announced a ground development up to 45k

We just need new owners , hopefully thats coming soon

The key word there is "announced", and that was done after they had confirmed their league status for next season.
In comparison, we've also announced we'd expand our ground upto 45k and work will begin as soon as we've stayed up.

 

[BushBlade]

It cost Brighton just under £70m to do the entire Amex in 2011.

Mainz did the whole Opel (then Coface) Arena for £38m the same year – a bigger stadium that has a similar capacity to us (34,000).



It’s a shame we haven’t got a co-owner that has contacts in the property world though to help get us a good deal...

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Or £105m according to this

American Express Stadium (Falmer Stadium) – StadiumDB.com

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[Blade207]

Just got a picture , captioned form my youngest Blade, and apparently they have added an extra 9 seats on away end !!!!

 

[Blade207]

Just got a picture , captioned form my youngest Blade, and apparently they have added an extra 9 seats on away end !!!!

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The key word there is "announced", and that was done after they had confirmed their league status for next season.
In comparison, we've also announced we'd expand our ground upto 45k and work will begin as soon as we've stayed up.

No they are building it theres a difference between us having planning permission and wolves announcing when the work will start

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

No they are building it theres a difference between us having planning permission and wolves announcing when the work will start

You're ignoring the fact that they've had that first season in the Premiership. We would have actually already started, as the quote is as soon as the season finishes.

 

[Sheffsteel]

No they are building it theres a difference between us having planning permission and wolves announcing when the work will start

Just wanted to make it clear the last official word from the club was McCabe saying WORK WILL BEGIN as soon as we retain our place in the PL.
Agree we have planning permission but he also announced that the cranes and diggers will move in the Summer, as soon as the season ends if we stay up.

Think he said this about 3 year ago, so would imagine that the official stance from the club has recently changed now that McCabe is looking to sell.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Move to an out of town, purpose built 60k stadium.

I take it you've never been to one of these modern out of town stadiums built on industrial estates in the middle of nowhere. Some of the saddest most soulless places you can go to. Bramall Lane definitely needs big improvements. Maybe if they met half way and did a Tottenham, built a new ground on the same site, start building it on the car park. I'm not saying that's what I'd want but it would be better than moving location.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Move to an out of town, purpose built 60k stadium.

I take it you've never been to one of these modern out of town stadiums built on industrial estates in the middle of nowhere. Some of the saddest most soulless places you can go to. Bramall Lane definitely needs big improvements. Maybe if they met half way and did a Tottenham, built a new ground on the same site, start building it on the car park. I'm not saying that's what I'd want but it would be better than moving location. We have a nice ground there just needs to be improvements like a bigger, two tier kop as a first priority.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I take it you've never been to one of these modern out of town stadiums built on industrial estates in the middle of nowhere. Some of the saddest most soulless places you can go to. Bramall Lane definitely needs big improvements. Maybe if they met half way and did a Tottenham, built a new ground on the same site, start building it on the car park. I'm not saying that's what I'd want but it would be better than moving location.

Don’t like bowls, so even if built on the same site i’d hate us to play somewhere like the Emirates stadium.
Also building on the same site means hiring another stadium for 2 years, this would be unbelievably expensive and massively inconvenient.
In fact if it was more than 30 mile away I’d probably stop going and watch us on Sky instead.

Don’t see what wrong with modernising the current stadium increasing capacity to 42,000, that’s plenty
And Bramall Lane would become modern but retain its traditional look and historical ambience.

 

[Killamarshblades]

Don’t like bowls, so even if built on the same site i’d hate us to play somewhere like the Emirates stadium.
Also building on the same site means hiring another stadium for 2 years, this would be unbelievably expensive and massively inconvenient.
In fact if it was more than 30 mile away I’d probably stop going and watch us on Sky instead.

Don’t see what wrong with modernising the current stadium increasing capacity to 42,000, that’s plenty
And Bramall Lane would become modern but retain its traditional look and historical ambience.

Playing a bit of devils advocate here, but would you, and others, go and watch United at Hillsborough for a year or two if the present site was to be totally redeveloped??

(*to note, i dont think the ground will ever be fully redeveloped in the way people suggest, seems a ludicrous idea to me. Add ons and upgrades as and when the time is right financially are more than enough for us, imo. The talk of 42000 seater is plenty, personally think we'd struggle to sell that out many times after one or two seasons in the top division, if we even stayed that long!)

 

[bromtom]

Old Trafford, Anfield, St James are better than Spurs stadium, Emirates, Etihad etc

Redevelop. No rush, but redevelop.

Having a couple of seasons with a 4000-10000 reduction is better than having a couple of seasons with a 32000 reduction and having to play our games at the New York stadium or summat (we wouldn't go to Hillsborough surely, well I wouldn't).

 

[BushBlade]

I take it you've never been to one of these modern out of town stadiums built on industrial estates in the middle of nowhere. Some of the saddest most soulless places you can go to. Bramall Lane definitely needs big improvements. Maybe if they met half way and did a Tottenham, built a new ground on the same site, start building it on the car park. I'm not saying that's what I'd want but it would be better than moving location. We have a nice ground there just needs to be improvements like a bigger, two tier kop as a first priority.

You’re new so I’ll forgive you for both the double post and the sarcasm bypass.

 

[Dkc]

Here's a nice pic of the JSS (pre Pukka Pie corner) showing the potential for a smaller second tier. At first glance, the lighting gives the impression that there's a second tier already there.

I think there are about 200 outdoor seats up there at the moment (two rows of five outside each of the 20 boxes) plus I'm guessing more behind glass (never been up there). The bottom row of indoor hospitality could be retained, but if the club was to get rid of entire top tier of boxes (retaining the existing outdoor seats) a top tier could be inserted without the need for a new roof. Question is, how much could capacity be increased and what would the work cost?

I reckon that only about six more rows of seats could be added in place of each executive box, which would give a capacity of 800, or maybe 1000 max. I'm no engineer, and am not sure if it would be viable, but it probably would only be worth doing if 1) a new hospitality area / boxes are built on a new South Stand upper tier and 2) Occupants of the new JSS upper tier have access to hospitality, so the seats up there can still generate more income than the average seat.

One thing's for certain. A proper upper tier would make the JSS look far more impressive than it does today.