Ground extentions/Renovations

[Blade3]

Not counting chickens & that: if we get promoted & assuming ownership gets sorted, when do people think we should begin to implement the alleged 7 planning permissions we have in place?

I'm thinking mainly of the south stand extension & kop rebuild. If we are to sustain (or regain) Premiership status both, I believe, will be essential at some point. The problem being the short term disruption & loss of capacity for long term gain.
If at all which would you go for 1st?

Wouldn’t change owt about the Lane, would hate for it to lose its character, though one thing that does need seeing to is the John Street, looks odd surrounded by these huge stands - But what could be done, with the housing behind and all that.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Seriously, we don't need to be in the PL for several seasons to realise that an increase in capacity is needed. Record season ticket sales mean that BDTBL is almost at capacity, and we need extra space for the new/incoming fans and to tap into the local Chinese community. 40-45k should be sufficient and we have 'spare space' behind the South Stand & the kop.

I think we need to be in the Premier League to pay for it, otherwise it won’t pay for itself.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It's going to be just beautiful when completed...

I liked this, but the offices in the corners can fuck off.

 

[jaybee]

Just sort the kop out so it doesn’t take 4 days to go for a piss at half time

 

[nezimão]

I think it's the Bramall Lane end that's the priority - opened in 1967 and only around 5k fans to displace. Start as soon as next season is over, apply to play games elsewhere until it's finished and 9 - 12 months max. should do it (opening sections as work is completed). Whatever improvements are necessary, it'll cause disruption but will need to be done sooner or later.

The land across Bramall Lane should be easy to obtain as it's only a couple of pubs and dodgy second-hand car lots. Once the main cantilever upright supports are in place (3 months max.), a 'coffer dam'-type structure could be built to keep traffic flowing. Done right, we could ensure that Bramall Lane becomes a much-needed dual carriageway.

But there's the rub. Twice the businesses down Bramall Lane have been the subject of CPOs only for the cunts on the Council to realise they don't want United to progress. As one of the main arteries into the centre of Sheffield, if the Council formed a partnership with United it could be a dual-carriageway with perhaps a new Supertram track running alongside/down the centre, but this backward/Wednesday-centric Council wouldn't want that:

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that would be mazeballs.

 

[diode_blade]

Can't we have a tarpaulin ?
just askin like....

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Please don’t do the south stand just do the kop we don’t need a 40 k stadium.

Woodland rThe

 

[nezimão]

i’ve often wondered whether moving the pitch through ninety degrees would work. there’s excess space behind the south stand and the kop whereas space is at a premium behind john street and bramall lane stands.

start construction of new south stand behind present south stand, knock down the south stand. reorient the pitch, continue using three other stands until new south stand is complete.

work around the other sides of the ground replacing old stands with new one at a time. revenues retained, disruption kept to an absolute minimum.

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

Build it and they will come

 

[Harrisblade]

Just sort the kop out so it doesn’t take 4 days to go for a piss at half time

Doesn't that depend on how old you are

 

[Sirius]

i’ve often wondered whether moving the pitch through ninety degrees would work. there’s excess space behind the south stand and the kop whereas space is at a premium behind john street and bramall lane stands.

start construction of new south stand behind present south stand, knock down the south stand. reorient the pitch, continue using three other stands until new south stand is complete.

work around the other sides of the ground replacing old stands with new one at a time. revenues retained, disruption kept to an absolute minimum.

This was discussed some years ago before the stand was built
One of the reasons against was that the sun would cause problems. Of course kick off times then we’re set in stone

 

[YES Blade]

Build it and they will come

 

[LONDON_BLADE]

I think it's the Bramall Lane end that's the priority - opened in 1967 and only around 5k fans to displace. Start as soon as next season is over, apply to play games elsewhere until it's finished and 9 - 12 months max. should do it (opening sections as work is completed). Whatever improvements are necessary, it'll cause disruption but will need to be done sooner or later.

The land across Bramall Lane should be easy to obtain as it's only a couple of pubs and dodgy second-hand car lots. Once the main cantilever upright supports are in place (3 months max.), a 'coffer dam'-type structure could be built to keep traffic flowing. Done right, we could ensure that Bramall Lane becomes a much-needed dual carriageway.

But there's the rub. Twice the businesses down Bramall Lane have been the subject of CPOs only for the cunts on the Council to realise they don't want United to progress. As one of the main arteries into the centre of Sheffield, if the Council formed a partnership with United it could be a dual-carriageway with perhaps a new Supertram track running alongside/down the centre, but this backward/Wednesday-centric Council wouldn't want that:

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I'm with this fella on this, and thought the same about the lane end. Man U have a similar requirement, but theres straddles a rail line.
Would make it a more symmetrical layout. Obviously it'd cost a few quid, though we should come up with a stadium design for the longer term that can be adapted... rather than our hotch-potch schemes throughout the years!!

The Pukka corner looks lovely from the outside, but ridiculous in relation to the rest of the stadium.

An alternative (probable high cost) option would be to NOT build flats behind the kop.. rebuild the kop further back and build corners to integrate into it from John St & The South Stand. Then rebuild the away end forward... and maybe integrate it into the same stands. Effectively shifting the ground towards Shoreham St.

Wolves have the right idea, a plan that can be phased... yeah, and Billionaire owners, but the planned nonetheless.

Fund development as and when we can without too heavy a burden on the playing front, as a long term STRATEGY.

 

[YES Blade]

I'd rather do a spurs, rebuild on the present site

This would be my preference, build a bit of a poor mans Spurs, but I also wouldn’t be dead against moving to a new ground. I’d rather this than the half arsed, on the cheap expansions.

We need to move with the times and provide some decent facilities which will help attract and retain new fans e.g. families. It could also host an England international, other sporting events, more gigs etc. But we need to be in a position where we can attract other events over other clubs in Yorkshire, North East and Midlands. Just look at what events Coventry get because of their location and stadium.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Not counting chickens & that: if we get promoted & assuming ownership gets sorted, when do people think we should begin to implement the alleged 7 planning permissions we have in place?

I'm thinking mainly of the south stand extension & kop rebuild. If we are to sustain (or regain) Premiership status both, I believe, will be essential at some point. The problem being the short term disruption & loss of capacity for long term gain.
If at all which would you go for 1st?

20 goal striker.

 

[Sheffsteel]

This would be my preference, build a bit of a poor mans Spurs, but I also wouldn’t be dead against moving to a new ground. I’d rather this than the half arsed, on the cheap expansions.

We need to move with the times and provide some decent facilities which will help attract and retain new fans e.g. families. It could also host an England international, other sporting events, more gigs etc. But we need to be in a position where we can attract other events over other clubs in Yorkshire, North East and Midlands. Just look at what events Coventry get because of their location and stadium.

The Spurs stadium cost 1000 million to build.
So how much would a poor man Spurs version cost? Maybe half costs at 500 million which would take many decades to pay back.
Plus we’d need to pay Chansiri massive stadium hire costs, also no doubt many Blades would boycott watching us at Hillsboro.
Or maybe moving to Rotherham’s 10K stadium would be preferable, but that means many season ticket holders can’t attend for 2 seasons. All these options have massive disadvantages.

A new ground would probably be on the outskirts, away from pubs and bars, think it would put people off.

What’s wrong with the current 42,000 expended stadium design? The Kop and South stand would provide excellent facilities to attract families and would help us have gigs and major sporting events.

 

[Aston max]

I'd rather do a spurs, rebuild on the present site

I would stand a season at Rotherham's New York stadium

 

[YES Blade]

The Spurs stadium cost 1000 million to build.
So how much would a poor man Spurs version cost? Maybe half costs at 500 million which would take many decades to pay back.
Plus we’d need to pay Chansiri massive stadium hire costs, also no doubt many Blades would boycott watching us at Hillsboro.
Or maybe moving to Rotherham’s 10K stadium would be preferable, but that means many season ticket holders can’t attend for 2 seasons. All these options have massive disadvantages.

A new ground would probably be on the outskirts, away from pubs and bars, think it would put people off.

What’s wrong with the current 42,000 expended stadium design? The Kop and South stand would provide excellent facilities to attract families and would help us have gigs and major sporting events.

If we had to play elsewhere for a season then there are more options than just Hillsborough. Barnsley, Bradford, Huddersfield and Leeds, even Derby and Forest is within an hour, it wouldn’t be ideal but for one season I’m sure we could all make do knowing we’ve got a shiny new Bramall Lane to come back to.

A new stadium built on the outskirts of the city would need decent transport links, so drink in the city centre and get on a tram/bus/train to the stadium. New pubs and bars would probably be built around a new stadium anyway. But as I said I’d rather rebuild the Lane from scratch.

You been on the Kop lately? Building at the back and a new roof is just polishing the old turd! It would be nice to invest in the long term of the club for a change rather than going for the cheap option. But it obviously all depends on money, we aren’t a champions league club so there are limits.

 

[MobileBlade]

I'm with this fella on this, and thought the same about the lane end. Man U have a similar requirement, but theres straddles a rail line.

Athletico Madrid did it at their old ground.

 

[grafikhaus]

I think we need to be in the Premier League to pay for it, otherwise it won’t pay for itself.

But then it'd become 'We need to be in the Premier League for 3/5/7 years to pay for it.' Obviously it wouldn't pay for itself but, at the moment, we're losing money and (major) alterations will be needed before long. We're running pretty much at capacity at the moment and this isn't just a one-season 'blip'. We can't be turning people away, need to keep kids attending as the 'seed corn' of our future support and haven't begun to tap into the (very wealthy) Chinese student population.

'Build it and they will come' isn't just a pithy saying in football. Arsenal used to be limited to 38k at Highbury and now get 60k every game. A similar 'uplift' will be seen at Spurs. But - more at our level - Southampton used to get less than 20k at The Dell but have now doubled that at St. Mary's. I'm sure a lot of Leicester's new-found fans wouldn't have tolerated going to Filbert Street - winning the title or not. People demand better comfort and faciliies now as witnessed by the change in the student accomodation market.

Maybe the way to part-fund new stadium improvements would be to sell naming rights to the whole stadium? (Not the piecemeal naming of individual stands). In a week, we'll be playing at The Brittania Stadium. If Stoke can do it, surely we can?

 

[McGrath]

I think it's the Bramall Lane end that's the priority - opened in 1967 and only around 5k fans to displace. Start as soon as next season is over, apply to play games elsewhere until it's finished and 9 - 12 months max. should do it (opening sections as work is completed). Whatever improvements are necessary, it'll cause disruption but will need to be done sooner or later.

The land across Bramall Lane should be easy to obtain as it's only a couple of pubs and dodgy second-hand car lots. Once the main cantilever upright supports are in place (3 months max.), a 'coffer dam'-type structure could be built to keep traffic flowing. Done right, we could ensure that Bramall Lane becomes a much-needed dual carriageway.

But there's the rub. Twice the businesses down Bramall Lane have been the subject of CPOs only for the cunts on the Council to realise they don't want United to progress. As one of the main arteries into the centre of Sheffield, if the Council formed a partnership with United it could be a dual-carriageway with perhaps a new Supertram track running alongside/down the centre, but this backward/Wednesday-centric Council wouldn't want that:

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You want to demolish the Cricketers?

 

[PaulHalfway]

Just re build the kop for starters, add 4 thousand seats
New roof
New bars and restaurants
Plenty of toilets
Has to be the priority

 

[Rodley]

Just re build the kop for starters, add 4 thousand seats
New roof
New bars and restaurants
Plenty of toilets
Has to be the priority

They just need to follow the designs they’ve done and add a safe standing section.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

But then it'd become 'We need to be in the Premier League for 3/5/7 years to pay for it.' Obviously it wouldn't pay for itself but, at the moment, we're losing money and (major) alterations will be needed before long. We're running pretty much at capacity at the moment and this isn't just a one-season 'blip'. We can't be turning people away, need to keep kids attending as the 'seed corn' of our future support and haven't begun to tap into the (very wealthy) Chinese student population.

'Build it and they will come' isn't just a pithy saying in football. Arsenal used to be limited to 38k at Highbury and now get 60k every game. A similar 'uplift' will be seen at Spurs. But - more at our level - Southampton used to get less than 20k at The Dell but have now doubled that at St. Mary's. I'm sure a lot of Leicester's new-found fans wouldn't have tolerated going to Filbert Street - winning the title or not. People demand better comfort and faciliies now as witnessed by the change in the student accomodation market.

Maybe the way to part-fund new stadium improvements would be to sell naming rights to the whole stadium? (Not the piecemeal naming of individual stands). In a week, we'll be playing at The Brittania Stadium. If Stoke can do it, surely we can?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love them to do it. I just do not think the Prince is interested in the ground although I hope the ST sales changes their mind rather than that prices should be higher.
If they can do the south stand and add 5,000 without having to close it, I think it should be a no brainier for the end of this season but I just can’t see it if both owners do not see the potential.

Edit: just saw your post about the BL stand and I’ve thought the same previously but it’s never been on the plans or even suggested by the club. If they were serious then that would be great but I can’t see the council helping and putting funding in for supertram or road expansion.

 

[S8blade]

Is everyone on drugs?! Build The Lane from scratch!! Go and support a plastic club if thats what you want. I personally love the history and special feel of Bramall Lane. All thats needed is redevelop the kop. UTB⚔

 

[YES Blade]

Is everyone on drugs?! Build The Lane from scratch!! Go and support a plastic club if thats what you want. I personally love the history and special feel of Bramall Lane. All thats needed is redevelop the kop. UTB⚔

So Spurs are a plastic club? It’s called progress, it’s attitudes like this that hold back our club.

 

[43.nm]

reading this with interest and i really do hope some dreams come true. but with our history i suspect there will be two owners skipping off into the sunset with a bag of cash each.
hope I'm wrong we beat ipswich and live happily ever after in the top tiers UTB
and sort the Kop

 

[S8blade]

So Spurs are a plastic club? It’s called progress, it’s attitudes like this that hold back our club.

We are not spurs or have the finances of spurs so to think we will have a stadium of that proportion is daft, besides would you want to tear the history & heart & soul out of Bramall Lane??

 

[Blade56]

The problem being the short term disruption & loss of capacity for long term gain.

I understand there's a short term strategy for our first season back in PL (if we make it).
Everyone in the unaffected areas of the ground will be allocated a 'buddy' who's seat is unavailable due the ground improvements. Information sheets on how to sit comfortably on someone's knee will be issued and you will be expected to swap over at half time. The issue of 'I leave early' tw@ts has yet to be resolved. If you are a 'leave early' tw@t you will be encouraged to pair with another 'leave early tw@t' so you can both f**k off together out of the ground and not bobbing down or crowding the exits.

This also benefits the club as the well priced sub £500 seats will now nett the club £1,000/ seat more aligned to PL prices.

 

[YES Blade]

We are not spurs or have the finances of spurs so to think we will have a stadium of that proportion is daft, besides would you want to tear the history & heart & soul out of Bramall Lane??

You claimed that building a new ground makes a club plastic, when obviously it doesn’t.

Other than the corner stands, we haven’t built a new main stand since 1996. That’s why I wouldn’t have an issue with demolishing the lot and starting again.

The stands have served us well but there comes a time when you need to move on. We can make do and complete minor improvements, but it would be better long term to sort the lot out (I’m aware that in all likelihood money will prevent this).

We’ve already got an office block and a hotel, with plans for flats to be built. The Lane sold it’s soul years ago!