Is it too early to form a true opinion yet?

[Pinchy]

I think the question should be
‘Are we witnessing one of the greatest managers in the game?”

Warnock was a fantastic motivator making players give 100%
Pullis and Allydyce are excellent defensive coaches.

What is the relevance of your second paragraph to the first? It’s like asking who are the greatest comedians of all time, then discussing Bobby Knutt, Jim Bowen and Eddie Large.

 

[Pinchy]

Think we should have stuck with David Weir TBH.

Alert the Jim Davidson Rest Home for Stale Gags, by fax of course.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

What is the relevance of your second paragraph to the first? It’s like asking who are the greatest comedians of all time, then discussing Bobby Knutt, Jim Bowen and Eddie Large.

 

[The Crab]

So what do we think of this young fella, or is it too early to tell yet?
I must admit, I wasn't at all sure that we'd made the right choice when it was first announced but I've started to warm to him.
I know he's had a bit of success in the lower leagues and got off to a half decent start with us, but after all the failures and disappointments in recent years, have we finally signed a decent manager?

I wondered if it would be another Mickey Adams situation a little bit.

On the other hand, we were in the shit with not much money about. A situation that CW was well versed in at his other clubs. A bumpy ride for the first few games started to bring my Adams fears back a little bit...............the rest his history. CW has grown with the club, but lets not underplay the role that Alan Knill has had.

Whether by luck, good judgement, or a mixture of both, as a club we have fallen on something good, the building of an era that we will be talking about a long time from now. Lets hope it is an era that isn't going to be ended prematurely in a courtroom pissing contest, because that is something that would be difficult to forgive whoever comes out on top.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I wondered if it would be another Mickey Adams situation a little bit.

I felt exactly the same way Mr C........or Madkins or Weir or Robson or Heath or.........

 

[BushBlade]

I didn’t rate Basham when he joined us, looked average league 1 standard at best, but he was fully committed giving 100% so I cut his some slack. His improvement in the past 2 years has been like watching a miracle, seems impossible.

I’ve mentioned this before but I reckon Wilder has sussed out that Basham isn’t good enough to be a central defender and isn’t good enough the be a midfielder. However he does see that Basham has a fantastic engine, good battling mentality and versatile enough to put in a half decent job at either right back, central defender or midfield. Basham is “Mr Versatility”

So Wilders plan for Basham is absolute genius. Play him on the right hand side of a back 3.
He’s not the greatest in central defence but in a 3 he doesn’t have so much responsibility and he has the commanding Egan next to him. Wilder knows that Basham has a great engine so makes use of it by telling Basham to get forward as much as possible.
Normally Basham wouldn’t be good enough for midfield but he’s now pushing forward as a spare man and proving difficult to pick up.
Also Baldock is told to get forward as much as possible, so he can be caught out up field. On the rare occasion this does happen then Basham is comfortable enough to slot in to right back position when Baldock isn’t there (caught out of position).

Basham has many weaknesss but they have been greatly minimised with the role he currently plays
But all of Bashams strengths fit his current role perfectly, so now Basham looks a really good player, even at this level.

This is the perfect example of Wilders fantastic management, round pegs then creating a round holes. If it’s a square peg then he creates a square hole.

I disagree. I think he worked backwards after realising he had to play Sharp in a two, but our centre midfielders were best in a three. I don’t think he came up with the attacking centre half thing just to suit Basham, it just turned out it was a role he was very suited to. If I recall correctly, Bash played in centre mid for the first few games as Fleck was injured.

 

[bornablade]

I would have taken Carlos or Jos after the Nigel Adkins season.

 

[bornablade]

I didn’t rate Basham when he joined us, looked average league 1 standard at best, but he was fully committed giving 100% so I cut his some slack. His improvement in the past 2 years has been like watching a miracle, seems impossible.

I’ve mentioned this before but I reckon Wilder has sussed out that Basham isn’t good enough to be a central defender and isn’t good enough the be a midfielder. However he does see that Basham has a fantastic engine, good battling mentality and versatile enough to put in a half decent job at either right back, central defender or midfield. Basham is “Mr Versatility”

So Wilders plan for Basham is absolute genius. Play him on the right hand side of a back 3.
He’s not the greatest in central defence but in a 3 he doesn’t have so much responsibility and he has the commanding Egan next to him. Wilder knows that Basham has a great engine so makes use of it by telling Basham to get forward as much as possible.
Normally Basham wouldn’t be good enough for midfield but he’s now pushing forward as a spare man and proving difficult to pick up.
Also Baldock is told to get forward as much as possible, so he can be caught out up field. On the rare occasion this does happen then Basham is comfortable enough to slot in to right back position when Baldock isn’t there (caught out of position).

Basham has many weaknesss but they have been greatly minimised with the role he currently plays
But all of Bashams strengths fit his current role perfectly, so now Basham looks a really good player, even at this level.

This is the perfect example of Wilders fantastic management, round pegs then creating a round holes. If it’s a square peg then he creates a square hole.

Out of all the recent posts and threads on here recently one of the most revealing was the one about the youngster Benny Read.

The young lad said his most enjoyable time was training with the seniors where 'the players were expected to look after the ball all of the time'.

Wilder is often heard saying that he expects his players to run around a lot. IMO he also expects his players to 'look after the ball', see it as a friend, not a hot potato and feel comfortable with it.

Players such as Basham have bought into this philosophy and he like others are now technically much better players.

When we sign players I think the management team hold them back from appearing until they've learnt that this is the way do things.

I'm sure Bill Shankly at Liverpool would sign players and then not give them their debut until they'd mastered the Liverpool way of playing.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

So what do we think of this young fella, or is it too early to tell yet?
I must admit, I wasn't at all sure that we'd made the right choice when it was first announced but I've started to warm to him.
I know he's had a bit of success in the lower leagues and got off to a half decent start with us, but after all the failures and disappointments in recent years, have we finally signed a decent manager?

The best since John Nicholson.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

The best since John Nicholson.

Good shout CB

 

[Silent Blade]

The best since John Nicholson.

Never was a manager

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Just a quick recap (league games only)
Pl 125
W 68
D 26
L 31

W % = 54.4%
Pt % = 61.33%

31?

Needs to pull thi socks up Wilder

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Never was a manager

Technically...you’re right. Club secretary or summat wasn’t he? Different in them days of course. I’ll change that to “best since John Harris” then. How’s about that?

 

[Topplayersleave]

I recall a certain Leicester manager pulling off what I consider to be the greatest sporting upset of all time and still having fans turn on him a year later. Fans can always turn on a manager when times get rough, however good a job they've done up until then.

Still, most of Wilder's achievements have been against the odds. I think the only question about him is just how far he can go.

Yes, there's a limit to how far he can go at Sheffield United
Those upstairs won't allow him to go any further than Premier League strugglers.

That's as good as it gets for us every fifteen years or so

A list of cup winners over the last 20 odd years shows what can be done but I don't expect us to win one

 

[bibbity bobbity boo]

Yes, there's a limit to how far he can go at Sheffield United
Those upstairs won't allow him to go any further than Premier League strugglers.

That's as good as it gets for us every fifteen years or so

A list of cup winners over the last 20 odd years shows what can be done but I don't expect us to win one

A right little ray of sunshine aren't you.

 

[blade too long]

Yes, there's a limit to how far he can go at Sheffield United
Those upstairs won't allow him to go any further than Premier League strugglers.

That's as good as it gets for us every fifteen years or so

A list of cup winners over the last 20 odd years shows what can be done but I don't expect us to win one

they backed Warnock last time
he just blew the money on very ordinary buys

4m on davis 2 on shelton mill plus on fahti
like pouring it down the drain

 

[8lade]

31?

Needs to pull thi socks up Wilder

Blame edit not Smith Sordell.
What did Smith do that pisssed me off?

 

[Topplayersleave]

£3 million on Claude Davis

Wow!!!!!!!
A FULL 3 MILLION

About the same as Championship clubs were paying for Championship players

Luton Shelton £1.75 million I think
Again WOW!!! Just WOW!!!!

Don't forget the coca cola kid who we won in a raffle or something

 

[Sheffsteel]

£3 million on Claude Davis

Wow!!!!!!!
A FULL 3 MILLION

About the same as Championship clubs were paying for Championship players

Luton Shelton £1.75 million I think
Again WOW!!! Just WOW!!!!

Don't forget the coca cola kid who we won in a raffle or something

What a daft thing to say...the transfer prices have increased up to 10 times since 2007.
It’s like saying Man United were paupers in the 1980;s because they were only spending 2 and 3 million on transfers.

Probably a better comparison is saying we spent 30 million on Claude David and 17 million on Luton Shelton, not massive money but decent amounts But in 15 years spending 30 million on a player might well seem like small fry.

Our fans used to joke that Warnock is a brilliant manager working on a shoe string but don’t ever give him alot of money to spend as his big signings were poor,

 

[Topplayersleave]

What a daft thing to say...the transfer prices have increased up to 10 times since 2007.
It’s like saying Man United were paupers in the 1980;s because they were only spending 2 and 3 million on transfers.

Probably a better comparison is saying we spent 30 million on Claude David and 17 million on Luton Shelton
But in 15 years spending 30 million on a player might well seem like small fry.

Why is it a daft thing to say ?

It would only be daft if other Premier League clubs were only spending £3 million and £1.75 million on players.

But even the Premier League also rans were spending far more than that on each position, not just two.

We spent a total of £11 million in transfer fees, when other very ordinary clubs were spending that on one player

Even some Championship clubs spent more than us that season

 

[Silent Blade]

Technically...you’re right. Club secretary or summat wasn’t he? Different in them days of course. I’ll change that to “best since John Harris” then. How’s about that?

Yes he was the secretary dealing with with administration and transfers, contracts etc rather than being in charge of picking the team (club selectors did that) or decide on tactics (the captain did that). Cant imagine him giving team talks in the dressing room .

Our first manager was Teddy Davison (he was the secretary-manager then) in 1932.

I loved Harris but I believe Wilder is now better than him.