Killa's non-contract

[beightonblade]

yes, that was bad management. He made his biggest mistake in the appointment of Robson. He then backed him enormously. You can't fault that, it's just that Robson squandered it on enormously overpaid, old, injury prone flops.

Unlike you, I can't hold his mistakes against him forever, and I prefer to consider the overall balance of the argument that the club has moved forwards under his stewardship.

UTB

Well the appointment of Robson was ONE of McCabes mistakes, the second was taking his eye off the ball and failing to see what was happening at BDTBL and not acting faster.
Our Terry .... mmmmm.... he was getting promoted sideways and leaving BDTBL then a change of mind... another mistake by McCabe.
Cheap as chips another mistake by McCabe, contract extension for cheap as chips, not grabbing cheap as chips hand and saying yes please when he offered to resign ....... will i continue ?

Funny enuff McCabe don't seem to make many mistakes in the property game or the money lending market ...... funny eh ?

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Well the appointment of Robson was ONE of McCabes mistakes, the second was taking his eye off the ball and failing to see what was happening at BDTBL and not acting faster.
Our Terry .... mmmmm.... he was getting promoted sideways and leaving BDTBL then a change of mind... another mistake by McCabe.
Cheap as chips another mistake by McCabe, contract extension for cheap as chips, not grabbing cheap as chips hand and saying yes please when he offered to resign ....... will i continue ?

Funny enuff McCabe don't seem to make many mistakes in the property game or the money lending market ...... funny eh ?

Got to agree that Robson was a HUGE mistake - and I think the Warnock was right when he said (in his autobiography) that McC was after a "trophy" manager. I'm sure McC had his eye on the Club's overseas profile (ex England/Man Utd skipper etc) more than the playing part of the picture.

Not sure that McC deserves the criticism re KB. I remember many of the Blades by us wanting Warnock out (pre promotion) and wanting KB to take over before he went to Leeds. McC wasn't alone in wanting KB in the managers office.

Don't know enough about Terry - other than he seems to be fairly unpopular at Fradi and seems to be gaining a reputation for blaming the fans for the club's troubles. Remind you of anyone from S6??

And as for his resignation - IMO it was right not to accept his resignation in the heat of the moment after the PO final - especially given KB's experiences with Leeds. He's now our manager for the forseeable - and I'd agree with those who say we need to give him at least until the end of the season - certainly far too early to change now!

Less clear as to whether a four year contract was wise - but then again, these contracts don't seem to matter that much in football and players/managers seem to move freely no matter what stage their contracts are at.

As you say McC seems to make few mistakes when it comes to property and money lending - which leads me to trust his judgements about the Club too.

 

[alcoblade]

Well the appointment of Robson was ONE of McCabes mistakes, the second was taking his eye off the ball and failing to see what was happening at BDTBL and not acting faster.
Our Terry .... mmmmm.... he was getting promoted sideways and leaving BDTBL then a change of mind... another mistake by McCabe.
Cheap as chips another mistake by McCabe, contract extension for cheap as chips, not grabbing cheap as chips hand and saying yes please when he offered to resign ....... will i continue ?

Funny enuff McCabe don't seem to make many mistakes in the property game or the money lending market ...... funny eh ?

He sacked Robson within the season and appointed a man who kept us up. Quick enough for sensible people, surely?

The Turry stuff will roll on and on. In truth, the bloke's on to a loser because many fans will continually accuse the club of underselling players, despite the list of players who prove that myth being too few to fill a postage stamp.

McCabe's an expert in the property game, which has room for thousands of winners. Football's a different kettle of fish where only a few can win.

Your inability to ever see another side of the argument does you no service.


UTB

 

[beightonblade]

He sacked Robson within the season and appointed a man who kept us up. Quick enough for sensible people, surely?

Not really.

The Turry stuff will roll on and on. In truth, the bloke's on to a loser because many fans will continually accuse the club of underselling players, despite the list of players who prove that myth being too few to fill a postage stamp.



McCabe's an expert in the property game, which has room for thousands of winners. Football's a different kettle of fish where only a few can win.

As i've already said.

Your inability to ever see another side of the argument does you no service.

I always see both sides..... even if i don't let on


UTB

By the way what happens if we get no points from the next 2 games ? Owt ?

 

[alcoblade]

By the way what happens if we get no points from the next 2 games ? Owt ?

I don't know. The pressure is mounting. It's not (serioulsy) questionable that Blackwell hasn't done a good job in a year and a half, considering the state he took over, the money raised since and the points per game achieved. What's disappointing is the style of play which I believed was improving but seems recently to have gone backwards. If we continue to play this way then it's only "acceptable" when it's delivering results.

UTB

 

[TonyAgana]

I don't know. The pressure is mounting. It's not (serioulsy) questionable that Blackwell hasn't done a good job in a year and a half, considering the state he took over, the money raised since and the points per game achieved. What's disappointing is the style of play which I believed was improving but seems recently to have gone backwards. If we continue to play this way then it's only "acceptable" when it's delivering results.

UTB

I don't see how we can expect to see anything but a drop in the quality of football when we've had such a massive drop in wage-budget this season.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Looking on various forums it seems as if the majority of fans are saying offer what we can and if he doesn't accept it sell him in January.

For once the I seem to agree with the majority of these forum fans.
I expected more of the offer whatever he wants type comments.

 

[Ollessendro]

I don't see how we can expect to see anything but a drop in the quality of football when we've had such a massive drop in wage-budget this season.

Disagree with you there matey. I think (to KB's credit) he has made some useful additions. With the (albeit slim) squad we have we could mount a serious promotion challenge. A lot of the high earners were dead wood. Hence I think it is perfectly plausable to expect better football than last season. Couple this with KB learning from his mistakes, promising to play more attacking football at home etc then I was expecting something better than last season.

Looking on various forums it seems as if the majority of fans are saying offer what we can and if he doesn't accept it sell him in January.

For once the I seem to agree with the majority of these forum fans.
I expected more of the offer whatever he wants type comments.

I think it's irrlevant now Bob. It's clear he want premiership football and it looks increasingly more unlikely that we can offer it to him. He wants a crack at the big time and hence why would he sign a contract for a team that might not get there for god knows how many years?

(Unless by some minor miracle) we are in touch with the top 2 at xmas then the best option is to flog him. Gimmi 2 mill and i'll be happy.

 

[davidpinder]

sorry might have missed this earlier in the post but has anyone listened to this interview?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11683_5622445,00.html
not offered a new deal by united??

 

[alcoblade]

I don't see how we can expect to see anything but a drop in the quality of football when we've had such a massive drop in wage-budget this season.

I think throughout, the players we've had were and still are capable of playing much better football. And what's more, I think we're more effective for it. I don't crave for the tipyy tappy nonsense that Robson tried to deliver, but fast attacking football which includes finding players rather than zones, and players occasionally looking to provide options to their team mates rather than continually pressurising the box.

UTB

 

[Come from away]

Back to Killa's contract - think the Sky interview makes it clear he is looking elsewhere. Doesn't like all the heading in the CCC. Clearly not 100% into the game, so time to leave.

 

[TonyAgana]

Doesn't like all the heading in the CCC.

Messes his hair up.

 

[Foxy]

Somebody ought to advise him that Premiership players also cross the ball occaisionally

 

[Autumn]

He's holding out for 30k a week for 3 years, not worth it and hope we say piss off.

 

[Robbie]

He's holding out for 30k a week for 3 years, not worth it and hope we say piss off.

I find this hard to believe.
But if it is true..... I'd show him the door in January

 

[Ollessendro]

He's holding out for 30k a week for 3 years, not worth it and hope we say piss off.

he's holding out for premmiership football!!?? I am pretty sure that even if we offered him that then he wouldn't take it.

 

[Autumn]

I find this hard to believe.
But if it is true..... I'd show him the door in January

Never said anyone on here had to believe me, just what's been negotiated. I don't usually post much of use, but when I actually know something that's true I usually share it.

 

[Robbie]

Never said anyone on here had to believe me,

I know,

And I am just saying I find it hard to believe,

 

[Bladesway]

Would normally have said stuff it and move on but I do have the following concerns.

1) We don't have any other centre halves at the club having sold Bromby (I know I didn't rate him either).

2) Killer is so much better than anything we have that I would be sticking him down on 3 years and 30k per week if thats what it took to keep him.

3) Someone mentions club in decline, I worry when I see the change in the club so quickly. last season we had someone on £40k per week (apparently) we had a couple on not much less (Hendrie, Ugo, Speed) and now we are looking at bits and bobs players and can't even hold onto a player who is clearly head and shoulders the best defender at the club. We can't get any loan players in because we couldn't play them even if we did and I doubt you are going to replace someone of Killers quality without paying a good few million plus big wages.

Last up, if I were in his position I would be holding out for a big pay cheque and good contract. He is one of the best in the Championship and I can guarantee you his agent will have already got lower end Premiership clubs sniffing around. I can see him at Wolves or perhaps Bolton etc. I don't blame the player for a minute. He is a Leeds fan, why would he have any loyalty to us?

Whatever happens he has been an awsome centre half for us and I for one loved seeing him play although he can keep his girls hair and car.

Shame, but if we aren't going to stump up the cash what do you expect to happen. I wonder what we are paying Evans who in my opinion isn't half the player.

 

[Revolution]

I have never understood, given Kilgallon's contract situation and the almost 100% certainty that United would not pay what he asked for, we did not try to sell him in the summer and keep one or both of Naughton and Walker, who as I understand it had longer to run on their deals.

Selling the players with longer deals when there was a market for the other player who would leave in a year always struck me as really bad business.

 

[Robbie]

And to think.... 2 years ago we didn't even think (myself included) he could make it as a centre half.

 

[Ollessendro]

Would normally have said stuff it and move on but I do have the following concerns.

1) We don't have any other centre halves at the club having sold Bromby (I know I didn't rate him either).

2) Killer is so much better than anything we have that I would be sticking him down on 3 years and 30k per week if thats what it took to keep him.

3) Someone mentions club in decline, I worry when I see the change in the club so quickly. last season we had someone on £40k per week (apparently) we had a couple on not much less (Hendrie, Ugo, Speed) and now we are looking at bits and bobs players and can't even hold onto a player who is clearly head and shoulders the best defender at the club. We can't get any loan players in because we couldn't play them even if we did and I doubt you are going to replace someone of Killers quality without paying a good few million plus big wages.

Last up, if I were in his position I would be holding out for a big pay cheque and good contract. He is one of the best in the Championship and I can guarantee you his agent will have already got lower end Premiership clubs sniffing around. I can see him at Wolves or perhaps Bolton etc. I don't blame the player for a minute. He is a Leeds fan, why would he have any loyalty to us?

Whatever happens he has been an awsome centre half for us and I for one loved seeing him play although he can keep his girls hair and car.

Shame, but if we aren't going to stump up the cash what do you expect to happen. I wonder what we are paying Evans who in my opinion isn't half the player.

Bladesway. While I agree with some of your sentiments, I think that the situations is out of our hands. He wants premiership football and that's that. Like you say, who can blame him. He's a Leeds fan (hence no loyalty to Blades), he's 25/26 (hence approaching best years) and wants a crack at the premiership. Most think he's good enough (most importantly him, his agent and a few prem clubs) so why would he commit to a Championship side. He must be looking around him and thinking do I really want to commit to staying here. Unconvincing manger, supporters not happy, team not playing very well. If you throw all that into the mixer then he's a goner.

As for your 1st point. Are you talking in the past sense? We know have Davies and Fortune cover at CB. Admittantly they are not in the same league, but they are cover.

I'm convinced we should cash in. I'd snatch at a 2 mill offer. Of course we should offer him a big contract, but I don't think it would keep him at the club.

 

[Bladesway]

I have never understood, given Kilgallon's contract situation and the almost 100% certainty that United would not pay what he asked for, we did not try to sell him in the summer and keep one or both of Naughton and Walker, who as I understand it had longer to run on their deals.

Selling the players with longer deals when there was a market for the other player who would leave in a year always struck me as really bad business.

Don't get me wrong, I trust the board and the manager to do the right thing but I don't think there is a Blade on earth no matter how positive their thinking who doesn't get a twitchy bumhole at the thought of some of our recent transfer dealings.

Problem for me is we seem too keen to tell the press things before deals have actually been done. This has worked against us on several occasions. Running a football club is a complex and difficult job, no doubt (although Beighton could probably do it in his sleep) but our ability to get quality through the door and keep hold of it worries me.

 

[Ollessendro]

but our ability to get quality through the door and keep hold of it worries me.

mee too Bladesway. I've raised this several times on different threads. It's something shared by a lot of Blades. I think a lot of this might be down to Blackwell. Numpty Robson attracted the players so maybe anopther high profile manager could do so (Gary Speed maybe). Warnock didn't seem to struggle as much as Blackwell has with bringing players in. Additionally he was better at spotting a bargain, or talent etc.

 

[Revolution]

I've raised this several times on different threads. It's something shared by a lot of Blades. I think a lot of this might be down to Blackwell. Numpty Robson attracted the players so maybe anopther high profile manager could do so (Gary Speed maybe). Warnock didn't seem to struggle as much as Blackwell has with bringing players in. Additionally he was better at spotting a bargain, or talent etc.

I think it's more likely to be down to the fact that at the moment United are offering lower wages and signing on fees than other teams are.

Robson had money to spend. Blackwell, by all accounts, has much less.

 

[Bladesway]

As for your 1st point. Are you talking in the past sense? We know have Davies and Fortune cover at CB. Admittantly they are not in the same league, but they are cover.

I'm convinced we should cash in. I'd snatch at a 2 mill offer. Of course we should offer him a big contract, but I don't think it would keep him at the club.

I don't class loan players and freebies as adequate cover for our best player. Its a bit like saying Bromby is adequate cover for Jags. Oh, now I see

My grumble here is not with Killer for wanting to go, we both agree on the whys and wherefores, its with the way the entire affair has been handled. He was actually about to put pen to paper in August and it was widely reported (correctly so) that he wanted to sign. So what happened? Where did it all change and who moved the goalposts?

Christ, its not like we haven't had enough money in to cover his wage demands. £8m raising to £10m from Spurs for the Kyles, Hendrie and Carney off the wage bill along with Ugo. Enough there to refloat the Titanic isn't there? Yet am I the only one who thinks that we probably shat our pants last minute and decided to change some details in the contract that led to Killer saying no to the contract.

If someone offers £2m I can't see anyone standing in his way but I would hope they would be offering him what he wants before it gets there. A centre half pairing of Morgan and Fortune doesn't fill me with the sort of confidence I have with Killer there.