Wilder on the boardroom struggle

[Tezza1889]

Both owners probably wouldn’t care if wilder left, they wouldn’t have the pressure of success which will come in future, and the costs attached, also they’ll be able to break the team up and cash in should wilder leave...

McCabe regardless of any excuses some will provide has saved himself millions by selling our prized assets and the odd young lad to keep the club afloat without spending his own money, the prince has stated he doesn't want to invest any more money (probably because he doesn’t have any real money, so to speak) so the preferred option is niether owner..

The icing on the cake eh, we’re playing our best football in my time watching since 89, and yet again we are looking upstairs waiting for it all to be derailed..

You’ll both be remembered when your gone lads, one will always be called a bog roll / poundland prince, and one will always be seen as somebody who did it on the cheap, whilst giving away England players he got for nothing... enjoy your legacy’s boys, they’re already written....

 

[Sean Thornton]

I wonder how many appeals there will be after the court case if any? Either way, whoever wins is going to have to come up with a pretty damn good idea to beat this excuse to sit on their cash for years.

None.

 

[Maidenhead]

Both owners probably wouldn’t care if wilder left, they wouldn’t have the pressure of success which will come in future, and the costs attached, also they’ll be able to break the team up and cash in should wilder leave...

McCabe regardless of any excuses some will provide has saved himself millions by selling our prized assets and the odd young lad to keep the club afloat without spending his own money, the prince has stated he doesn't want to invest any more money (probably because he doesn’t have any real money, so to speak) so the preferred option is niether owner..

The icing on the cake eh, we’re playing our best football in my time watching since 89, and yet again we are looking upstairs waiting for it all to be derailed..

You’ll both be remembered when your gone lads, one will always be called a bog roll / poundland prince, and one will always be seen as somebody who did it on the cheap, whilst giving away England players he got for nothing... enjoy your legacy’s boys, they’re already written....

Maybe McCabe saved himself those millions because he didn't have them to spend in the first place?

I blame Jack Walker for being born in Blackburn, likewise Dave Whelan for Wigan, and finally Roman Abrahmovic for being daft enough to think that Chelski were a better bet that the Blades.

 

[GrayBlade]

None.

I really hope that’s the case mate. The quicker the club can move on the better.

 

[GrayBlade]

Maybe McCabe saved himself those millions because he didn't have them to spend in the first place?

I blame Jack Walker for being born in Blackburn, likewise Dave Whelan for Wigan, and finally Roman Abrahmovic for being daft enough to think that Chelski were a better bet that the Blades.

I always thought that Sean Bean would step up and inverst his £billions

 

[Tezza1889]

Maybe McCabe saved himself those millions because he didn't have them to spend in the first place?

I blame Jack Walker for being born in Blackburn, likewise Dave Whelan for Wigan, and finally Roman Abrahmovic for being daft enough to think that Chelski were a better bet that the Blades.

Yeah that’s fine, not McCabe’s fault for being smart with money and dumb with situations, we had the team for free over the years and sold it away mostly for peanuts, the one time we didn’t sell cheap with brooks has not helped us one bit up to now cause they’ve fell out. (Co incidence?) and taken loans against the payments to save their own pockets again.. see where we are heading with these 2 ?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I always thought that Sean Bean would step up and inverst his £billions

he's on his 5th wife - bet there's nowt left at end of month !

UTB

 

[Maidenhead]

Yeah that’s fine, not McCabe’s fault for being smart with money and dumb with situations, we had the team for free over the years and sold it away mostly for peanuts, the one time we didn’t sell cheap with brooks has not helped us one bit up to now cause they’ve fell out. (Co incidence?) and taken loans against the payments to save their own pockets again.. see where we are heading with these 2 ?

Team for free?

It was a bloody long time before McCabe was born that we had a team for free, if we ever did.

Were we ever a truly amateur team?

 

[Tezza1889]

he's on his 5th wife - bet there's nowt left at end of month !

UTB

He’s right about one thing though..

“Winter is coming”

 

[Tezza1889]

Team for free?

It was a bloody long time before McCabe was born that we had a team for free, if we ever did.

Were we ever a truly amateur team?

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

 

[Sheffsteel]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? ..

I’m sure I heard that the Academy is incredibly expensive to run, someone has to pay for it.

Also it’s unfair to say they were sold for nothing. That was a fair valuation (taking everything into account) at the time. Apart from Maguire none of those players were 1st team regulars.

We currently have young Tyler Smith doing well in the Academy.
Imagine it Spurs offered 3 million for him. Would you refuse or accept?

I reckon some of our supporters would say “we want 10 million because in 5 years time he’ll be a PL player pushing to be an England player’ All young players are risks and not many meet their potential. Some of our fans seem paranoid that every young talented player that is sold will go on to be a world beater but they forget about Jacob Mellis, Jordan Slew, Che Adams and many others.

Also it’s totally illogical to say the players above are all PL players so if we’d have kept them all we’d now have PL standard players.
The truth is if they have all stayed they would have stagnated at the club and we’d still probably be in league 1 or lower.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Both owners probably wouldn’t care if wilder left, they wouldn’t have the pressure of success which will come in future, and the costs attached, also they’ll be able to break the team up and cash in should wilder leave...

McCabe regardless of any excuses some will provide has saved himself millions by selling our prized assets and the odd young lad to keep the club afloat without spending his own money, the prince has stated he doesn't want to invest any more money (probably because he doesn’t have any real money, so to speak) so the preferred option is niether owner..

The icing on the cake eh, we’re playing our best football in my time watching since 89, and yet again we are looking upstairs waiting for it all to be derailed..

You’ll both be remembered when your gone lads, one will always be called a bog roll / poundland prince, and one will always be seen as somebody who did it on the cheap, whilst giving away England players he got for nothing... enjoy your legacy’s boys, they’re already written....

He's saved himself a fortune by losing a hundred million

 

[Newbury Blade]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

The squad is stronger and we are doing better than when Brooks was in it. No one else of significance has left since Wilder became manager and he has signed much better players than he inherited. How in God’s name is that “never building on anything”?

 

[Maidenhead]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

Do you understand the concept of budgets?

Throughout his tenure McCabe has been working to a budget of how much of our trading losses he is either willing or able to cover.

If the trading losses mean that players have to be sold to balance budgets, so be it, that's life in the real world.

The 5 players you mentioned were not playing here for free.

How long were they here?

How much were we paying them in wages?

Just because they come though our academy they are not "free", in fact as others have said they are a long way from it,

The academy costs a lot to run and one of the ways in which it will continue to cover that cost is by selling players.

Again that's nowt to do with McCabe it's life in the real world.

"The blokes in the dugout" and their support team should take all the credit for any gems they uncover but just like the owner they have a budget and if they need to sell a player to balance that budget they will do.

I'm yet to hear any complaint from Wilder about players being sold from under him by a big nasty owner because he knows his budget, and he knows it's his job to manage it, which he has done in a first class manner thus far.

Just look across the City to S6 if you want to see what happens when the budgets get out of control, they may have a shiny new high profile manager but they're deep in the pooh.

I would be very surprised if they are not under a transfer embargo again and unable to sign any players in January.

 

[KoppedOff]

What is this 'outcome' that you speak of?

If you've been a Blade for more than 5 minutes, you will know what the outcome of any Blades playoff involvement will be.

Losing in the playoffs, it's the Bladesway....

I believe this time- its different under Wilder...

... then again, I might still be polishing off the Christmas booze.

 

[wizadry]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

I’m usually as cynical as you mate when it comes to us getting rid of our gems and rightly too in most cases but times have definitely changed since Wilder came in regards this, he said very early in his tenure that he would drive people to their new club himself if they didn’t want to play for our club and he set that precedent straight away with Che Adams. (Albeit I’m pretty sure he didn’t drive him there)

Brooks wanted to go and who can blame him for the dosh? Looking back I wanted us to keep Brooks and do everything possible to keep him but if he doesn’t want to be here then I’m more than happy for him to fuck off, if indeed that was the case? I thought we undersold though and took an offer too early but that’s another story.

The only chance we have of keeping our best players is to get in the Prem, the best chance to do that though is to also keep your best players so you’re right, we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place until we get an investor who wants to pump millions in. Wilder is doing an unbelievable job under the circumstances.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Do you understand the concept of budgets?

Throughout his tenure McCabe has been working to a budget of how much of our trading losses he is either willing or able to cover.

If the trading losses mean that players have to be sold to balance budgets, so be it, that's life in the real world.

The 5 players you mentioned were not playing here for free.

How long were they here?

How much were we paying them in wages?

Just because they come though our academy they are not "free", in fact as others have said they are a long way from it,

The academy costs a lot to run and one of the ways in which it will continue to cover that cost is by selling players.

Again that's nowt to do with McCabe it's life in the real world.

"The blokes in the dugout" and their support team should take all the credit for any gems they uncover but just like the owner they have a budget and if they need to sell a player to balance that budget they will do.

I'm yet to hear any complaint from Wilder about players being sold from under him by a big nasty owner because he knows his budget, and he knows it's his job to manage it, which he has done in a first class manner thus far.

Just look across the City to S6 if you want to see what happens when the budgets get out of control, they may have a shiny new high profile manager but they're deep in the pooh.

I would be very surprised if they are not under a transfer embargo again and unable to sign any players in January.

Good post.

Don’t get me wrong....I agree with the sentiment that Tezza1989 has suggested.
Ideally we should try out best to keep ALL our talented young players. Ideally would love to have kept David Brooks

But unfortunately we don’t live in an ideal world, football is all about business and working within budgets.

I used to be a manager several years ago and in meetings when even I suggested good ideas to make improvements the reply was always ‘How much will your idea cost to implement” and “Once implemented how much will your idea save the company”.

It was killing us being in league 1. In reality we never stood a chance keeping hold of our best players.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Tezza, I would guess the vast majority of fans all around the country say exactly the same things regarding owners and selling there best players, I ain't going to get involved in an argument but I for one will thank mccabe when his time comes to an end at United which may be sooner rather than later

 

[The Vicar]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

You are one bitter guy if this is really eating you up like this!

Hindsight and the ability to spend someone else's money are great gifts! Mrs Vicar has then both so maybe she should be in charge!

 

[South Bucks]

We have a £20 million wage plus pension bill each year yet gate receipts are only half that.

It would be a surprise if we didn't have a model of bringing through or buying young players then selling them to make it work.

Just seen PNE have bought the leading scorer in england's top 4 divisions in 2018 for 750 k, clearly their model also, wish we'd gamble on similar but unlikely with ownership issue.

 

[Fanny magnet]

We have a £20 million wage plus pension bill each year yet gate receipts are only half that.

It would be a surprise if we didn't have a model of bringing through or buying young players then selling them to make it work.

Just seen PNE have bought the leading scorer in england's top 4 divisions in 2018 for 750 k, clearly their model also, wish we'd gamble on similar but unlikely with ownership issue.

They've bought Billy Sharp?

 

[grafikhaus]

Just look across the City to S6 if you want to see what happens when the budgets get out of control, they may have a shiny new high profile manager but they're deep in the pooh.

Shiny? New?

 

[essexblade73]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

Naughton plays for swansea in the championship

 

[Bert]

Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

The club have to pay the court costs?

 

[BladeInIreland]

Whoever we have next, if they show Some ambition I will be happy. With the current set up we could go far if backed properly. Just a shame those players didn’t come through later.

 

[Almosthuman]

Team for free?

It was a bloody long time before McCabe was born that we had a team for free, if we ever did.

Were we ever a truly amateur team?

We were pretty amateur under Adkins

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Both owners probably wouldn’t care if wilder left, they wouldn’t have the pressure of success which will come in future, and the costs attached, also they’ll be able to break the team up and cash in should wilder leave...

McCabe regardless of any excuses some will provide has saved himself millions by selling our prized assets and the odd young lad to keep the club afloat without spending his own money, the prince has stated he doesn't want to invest any more money (probably because he doesn’t have any real money, so to speak) so the preferred option is niether owner..

The icing on the cake eh, we’re playing our best football in my time watching since 89, and yet again we are looking upstairs waiting for it all to be derailed..

You’ll both be remembered when your gone lads, one will always be called a bog roll / poundland prince, and one will always be seen as somebody who did it on the cheap, whilst giving away England players he got for nothing... enjoy your legacy’s boys, they’re already written....

That's a reight post.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I reckon some of our supporters would say “we want 10 million because in 5 years time he’ll be a PL player pushing to be an England player’ All young players are risks and not many meet their potential. Some of our fans seem paranoid that every young talented player that is sold will go on to be a world beater but they forget about Jacob Mellis, Jordan Slew, Che Adams and many others.

Like him or not Adams is doing very well thank you and for Brum to sell him it would take more than we got for Brooks. I would be very interested to know who the "many others" you refer to who were sold on are.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin.. how much did we pay for these payers?

That’s five from the accademy all sold for relatively nothing, all still playing in the premier league, point I was making is we never build on anything, you could say we’re doing that right now, or are we a few days from another sale ? Will you be ok when O Connel is sold off for a few million to keep the court costs down?

Oh we paid a fee for O’Connell I apologise £200k was it, great deal of course but does Kev take credit for it, no I think you need to look at the blokes in the dugout for that.. a steal wasn’t it, but it probably had to be and how long can they carry on unearthing diamonds..


Might just be me, but I want decent players to stay here, they never will while you know who is in charge..

And that one

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I’m sure I heard that the Academy is incredibly expensive to run, someone has to pay for it.

Also it’s unfair to say they were sold for nothing. That was a fair valuation (taking everything into account) at the time. Apart from Maguire none of those players were 1st team regulars.

We currently have young Tyler Smith doing well in the Academy.
Imagine it Spurs offered 3 million for him. Would you refuse or accept?

I reckon some of our supporters would say “we want 10 million because in 5 years time he’ll be a PL player pushing to be an England player’ All young players are risks and not many meet their potential. Some of our fans seem paranoid that every young talented player that is sold will go on to be a world beater but they forget about Jacob Mellis, Jordan Slew, Che Adams and many others.

Also it’s totally illogical to say the players above are all PL players so if we’d have kept them all we’d now have PL standard players.
The truth is if they have all stayed they would have stagnated at the club and we’d still probably be in league 1 or lower.

Anyone who thinks a team with Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin, Sharp, Lowton, Jags in it would be in division three needs a fuckin drugs test.