Crap Ref

[Bergen Blade]

Basham's first yellow. Gets the ball, but not surprised a PL referee gives a yellow for him going in dangerously straight foot, possibly studs up.





Second, too hard to see from this, thanks to the camera man who foolishly zooms in on the shooter and tries to follow the flight of the ball:


The ref must have thought Basham on purpose kept his elbow out from his body in order to make himself bigger?

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

No such offence in the football rule book as ... "deliberate" hand ball. Hand ball is hand ball mate. It was hand ball.

Nope.

The rules as to what constitutes a "deliberate handball" are not clear.

Really?

Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence.

Obviously, any and every decision is subjective because it’s at the ref’s discretion. But how much clearer does Law 12 have to be?

 

[Snowman]

Basham's first yellow. Gets the ball, but not surprised a PL referee gives a yellow for him going in dangerously straight foot, possibly studs up.

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Second, too hard to see from this, thanks to the camera man who foolishly zooms in on the shooter and tries to follow the flight of the ball:
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The ref must have thought Basham on purpose kept his elbow out from his body in order to make himself bigger?

My view was roughly at 90 degrees to that from the same side and although he was "chasing" after losing full control of the ball, he won it cleanly. However, I can see from that angle why the Ref gave it. On the "handball", it was too far away from me and unsighted. When Bash came off he motioned to his arm held down the side of his body to CW. Somewhere on here is a video from behind the goal which apparently shows no movement from Bash towards the ball.

 

[Snowman]

Nope.



Really?

Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence.

Obviously, any and every decision is subjective because it’s at the ref’s discretion. But how much clearer does Law 12 have to be?

Far clearer than that because even former International player and super pundit Alan Shearer doesn't understand it either.

 

[metalblade]

A shot travelling at 60mph does 30 yards per second meaning Bash at best has a third of a second to move his hand to or away from the ball, an incredibly harsh decision to give hand ball to a player in a defensive wall.

 

[Bath Blade]

A shot travelling at 60mph does 30 yards per second meaning Bash at best has a third of a second to move his hand to or away from the ball, an incredibly harsh decision to give hand ball to a player in a defensive wall.

Probably been answered on another thread somewhere, but are we allowed to appeal a red card given for two yellows?

 

[metalblade]

Probably been answered on another thread somewhere, but are we allowed to appeal a red card given for two yellows?

It would seem not you can't appeal yellows.

 

[CharlotteBlade]

I mean maybe he was expecting a championship game to be a breeze to referee but his decisions definitely left me scratching my head a few times !

 

[RealMcCoy]

Basham's first yellow. Gets the ball, but not surprised a PL referee gives a yellow for him going in dangerously straight foot, possibly studs up.

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Second, too hard to see from this, thanks to the camera man who foolishly zooms in on the shooter and tries to follow the flight of the ball:
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The ref must have thought Basham on purpose kept his elbow out from his body in order to make himself bigger?[/QUOT



Yep, can understand the first yellow. Both sets of studs on show as Bash went through that tackle. Took the ball yes, but dangerous? Possibly/probably.

Yep, can understand the first yellow. Both sets of studs on show as Bash went through that tackle. Took the ball yes, but dangerous? Possibly/probably.

 

[boo radley]

I have a sneaking suspicion the bald headed twat was really Connor Sammon come back for revenge for the abuse he took from us Unitedites. That's about the only theory I can come up with for him being so useless.

That could be right has he never jumped once but determined that he could show something high dished out all those yellow and red cards at full arms length.

 

[1889]

Guess thats liverpool home and hosed then

Not necessarily, he’s a Blackburn fan

 

[bromtom]

Yep, can understand the first yellow. Both sets of studs on show as Bash went through that tackle. Took the ball yes, but dangerous? Possibly/probably.

9 minutes in though, surely a talking to at that stage in the game.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Nope.



Really?

Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence.

Obviously, any and every decision is subjective because it’s at the ref’s discretion. But how much clearer does Law 12 have to be?

Well, I think it needs to be a lot clearer - and I am not alone in thinking that. Obviously you didn't read the other link I posted, but here's another one for you which takes all the points you've made above and explains why it still isn't clear enough. Please take time to read it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/07/17/handball-rule-needs-overhaul/

 

[Snowman]

Well, I think it needs to be a lot clearer - and I am not alone in thinking that. Obviously you didn't read the other link I posted, but here's another one for you which takes all the points you've made above and explains why it still isn't clear enough. Please take time to read it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/07/17/handball-rule-needs-overhaul/

Although your post was not directed at me, I did take time to read it, because quite clearly without exerting all the mental capacity at my disposal and checking back to ensure I understood the meaning of the big and complicated words I would not have the right to comment upon the words of such an intellectual giant.

All that article tells me is that the rule is clear but referees got it wrong. I suspect because hardly any of them played the game to even reasonable amateur standard. The rule requires them to make a judgement as to what is a deliberate act. There then follows guidance as to what might be considered in making that judgement. Most people playing the game (unless involved in betting scams) go out of the way to avoid handling the ball. I suspect the real problem lies with the Referees and their attitude/culture rather than the rule. Even if you gave specific examples in paragraph after paragraph of what did and did not constitute a deliberate act, it still ends up as a judgment call which can sometimes be wrong.

The clue for the arrogant show boating tosser Antony Taylor was the bit about the distance between player and ball, but it was still, unfortunately, his call.

 

[Bannerman]

Well that'll teach him, coming down the Lane making a complete Horlicks of it.

He's been relegated to reffing the Man City v Liverpool game on Thursday night. Someone ought to tip off Kyle.

https://lfcglobe.co.uk/liverpool-fa...-appointed-referee-for-manchester-city-clash/

 

[Blade56]

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[Robby Blade]

You don't have clue what you're talking about.

Nowt new there.

 

[Lawrence]

Absolute disgrace, I've never seen one as bad in my memory.

unbelievable! These same Officials doing the Big one tonight Man City v Liverpool

 

[1973Blade]

I look forward to Anthony Taylor getting his yellow card out for the slightest knock.... On the other hand he won't want to offend these megastars.

 

[drblade]

unbelievable! These same Officials doing the Big one tonight Man City v Liverpool

Was about to post the same thing. WTF?

 

[bromtom]

Already made some questionable decisions and we're 9 minutes in.

Absolutely appalling referee.

 

[bromtom]

Has this referee just missed a goal by not checking Hawkeye?

Looked very much over the line to me...

Edit: Millimetres in it

 

[MobileBlade]

Think it would have been 5 a side if he had matched his performance last week.

 

[1973Blade]

I was interested to hear Souness say that the reason Taylor may not have given a red card for a first half foul by Kompany was because the ref knows that Kompany isn't the type of player to make a malicious challenge. I think the yellow card was right, but why should it matter what a player is normally like. If Taylor had known Basham better, would he have not sent him off on Saturday?

 

[bromtom]

Billy big bollocks coming down to the lowly championship, getting his cards out and showing he's boss.

Bottled it in the Premier League giving a few yellows, playing advantage badly and for the most part only getting involved when the decision was too far away from a goal to be important and didn't warrant another booking and risk having to send someone famous off.

Shite in both, have to wonder what the point of him is.

 

[Bannerman]

The comparison between his decision making when reffing at the Lane and tonight was ridiculous. Only saw the highlights tonight but there were tackles put in which were every bit as fierce, if not more so, than the ones which saw Basham booked and the Blackburn player sent off.

The Souness comment about him knowing the player and therefore making allowance is nonsensicle. If that was the case then it would mean that every time a ref is in charge of a match where one team is a bigger, better known, more famous club than their opponents then the ref would unfairly favour the big club, and obviously that never happens, does it.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Kompany should've walked.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Keep in up his high standards, the "pen" award v Oldham shambolic at best!

 

[1973Blade]

Anthony Taylor lives up to his reputation as the worst ref. Ashley Barnes clearly bundled over by the Southampton keeper, ref books an incensed Barnes for diving. How is this man a Premier League ref!

 

[Bladesman]

Anthony Taylor lives up to his reputation as the worst ref. Ashley Barnes clearly bundled over by the Southampton keeper, ref books an incensed Barnes for diving. How is this man a Premier League ref!

He is getting worse. If that is actually possible.