Truly believe this is as far as we can go with our owners.

[Rodley]

Totally agree. I think we have hit "peak Wilder" through no fault of his own. Somebody said elsewhere that we are on top of the rollercoaster and that is a perfect analogy. This is as good as it can get under our owners. The realistic aim next season will be to make sure we aren't sucked into a relegation fight when it should be the season we truly give it a proper go at promotion.

Behave, because that is cringeworthy.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Don't get much richer than the house of Saud. Maybe should back the Prince?

Estimates of Saudi royal family net worth is over $1.4 trillion. The sharing of Saudi royal family wealth has been a critical component in maintaining the semblance of a united front within the royal family. An essential part of family wealth is the Kingdom in its physical entirety, which the Al Saud view as a totally owned family asset

I'm all for this, mainly because McCabe can't do it, he doesn't have the wherewithal to take us any further
The Prince might be the poorest member of the Saudi Royal family, but who knows where it could lead to

Cue the Tuna man jibes etc

 

[Houston_Blade]

What's the way ahead then, feller?

pommpey

Someone to pony up. There’s no one on here with enough cash but there’s a lot that like to pontificate about how it should be done.

I’d suggest that unless you are a billionaire, throwing £50m at us isn’t a viable option.

 

[Roygbiv]

Behave, because that is cringeworthy.

We have a bottom half budget and it's only Wilder that is currently keeping us above that. Once he leaves it will only take a misplaced appointment to see us down the bottom end.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

That clueless idiot McCabe was so lucky to wake up one morning & find Wilder had been appointed manager, by a purely random chance, behind McCabe's back, sent to him from heaven, without McCabe even knowing. So so lucky......

 

[Blade56]

Maybe it can be arranged for HRH to allegedly enter the Copthorne Hotel allegedly for a business meeting and allegedly not Brexit the hotel.

Good use of topical subject. Slight improvement added

 

[Bladesway]

I don't think anybody would be. We should be excited that we are getting closer to becoming a top Championship side and using this season as a building block for a proper push next term

As it is we will likely have to sell a player to balance the books next season and just hope that our manager stays and pulls enough rabbits out of the hat to keep us competitive.

This season is going well and missing out on the top 6 is no failure. Its just that the club is in such turmoil upstairs that if feels like the last chance saloon for us with Wilder.

Will you stop being so fucking reasonable? People like you don’t belong on the internet!

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

We have a bottom half budget and it's only Wilder that is currently keeping us above that. Once he leaves it will only take a misplaced appointment to see us down the bottom end.

It’s a well trodden path, one which we have previous experience of and the worrying signs are there for us to see at the moment. The next 2 months will define us as a football club for the next 5 to 10 yrs. It’s that serious.

 

[Liverpool blade]

Its really obvious this is as good as it gets with the current owners, whichever one wins the court case. We are in a superb position to be taken over and to push on but unfortunately we have two owners who are going to waste an opportunity for themselves and us. If we happen to get relegated next season they will both be fighting to give the club away to each other!

It might be frustrating at the moment but enjoy this team and manager because it's unlikely it will get any better in the next few seasons.

Really hate to say this Roy. You’re absolutely spot on with that assessment!!. Unfortunately I don’t see things changing in the next few seasons. I hope McCabe and the fucking bog roll prince are happy when wilder fucks off at the end of the season as he will get a better job offer.
My only wish now is that both owners do all us fans a favour and FUCK OFF. UTB

 

[CarlMcBlade]

The first half performance against WBA was absolutely brilliant and we should been out of site in the first half hour. It was the same with Leeds and countless other games this season.
But as a team you have to say, we simply aren’t as clever as we think we are. Any pundit, fan or opposing manager can see the pattern developing here. It’s become a well known fact that if you survive the first half onslaught at BLthen the game is yours for the taking. Our inability to beat teams in and around the top six is starting to make Chris and the team look like a bunch of plucky amateurs.
Once we’ve fired all our “bullets” we quickly run out of ideas, confidence and fitness.

 

[haich1889]

The board have always held United back no matter who has been at the helm. I can't think of a club our size who have been consistently so unambitious for the entirety of their existence.

Totally agree. Any brief (very very brief) periods of ambition i can recall (Spackman's team/Bryan Robson) have always ended at the 1st sign of failure. Other teams of a similar size & many smaller clubs seem to be ambitious & sustain it for a good few years without the need to pull the plug at the first hurdle.

I've always been a he who dares wins kind of person & don't go along with the 'better the devil you know' brigade that want McCabe to prevail in the court battle. We know what McCabe brings to the table: a lack of ambition & an eagerness to cash in on players of any value. I say give the Prince a chance. Might be shit or bust but ffs i'd love to actually see us give it a go.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The problem we have straight away is who are these players, how much do they cost and would they want to come to BDTBL. Everyone is going to be looking at the same pot of players so a hell of a lot has to fall into place before we get close to signing anyone and anyone signs any cheques. Only then can we potentially criticise the owners but, in their defence, and Tufty always says this, we can't just throw stupid money at 1 or 2 players who may not get us where we want anyway.

We have got where we are partly due to team spirit, togetherness and having no big earners upsetting the mix. Bringing in 1 or 2 or 3 on more money with the wrong attitude could completely ruin what we have which is also a risk.

Tricky situation but my point is that it's not all about how much the owners are willing to pay.

 

[haich1889]

The problem we have straight away is who are these players, how much do they cost and would they want to come to BDTBL. Everyone is going to be looking at the same pot of players so a hell of a lot has to fall into place before we get close to signing anyone and anyone signs any cheques. Only then can we potentially criticise the owners but, in their defence, and Tufty always says this, we can't just throw stupid money at 1 or 2 players who may not get us where we want anyway.

We have got where we are partly due to team spirit, togetherness and having no big earners upsetting the mix. Bringing in 1 or 2 or 3 on more money with the wrong attitude could completely ruin what we have which is also a risk.

Tricky situation but my point is that it's not all about how much the owners are willing to pay.

Point is in the whole fuckin history of the club we've never tried!!
The last 2 promotions to the top flight were down to 'team spirit' & Managers that worked miracles. In no way were they down to any kind of ambition shown by the owners. Indeed the miserable levels of unambition were highlighted when we actually got there & an inability to fund a team & cement a place.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

It's painful but I wouldn't be hugely shocked if in April 2021, Paul Warne is bravely trying to keep his Sheffield United team in the Champ while Chris Wilder leads his Stoke squad to promotion

You think Warne would come? if Wilder left I'd take him in a heartbeat, but the reality is we'll end up with some no mark foreigner from the Dutch second division

 

[haich1889]

Point is in the whole fuckin history of the club we've never tried!!
The last 2 promotions to the top flight were down to 'team spirit' & Managers that worked miracles. In no way were they down to any kind of ambition shown by the owners. Indeed the miserable levels of unambition were highlighted when we actually got there & an inability to fund a team & cement a place.

& does anyone actually believe CW believes in the current draconian wage structure?? If there are players at the club that would begrudge a quality player that improves the side getting a bigger wage than them then I would question that players attitude on the 1st place.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Point is in the whole fuckin history of the club we've never tried!!
The last 2 promotions to the top flight were down to 'team spirit' & Managers that worked miracles. In no way were they down to any kind of ambition shown by the owners. Indeed the miserable levels of unambition were highlighted when we actually got there & an inability to fund a team & cement a place.

I'm sure we have tried at certain points but we're generally out of the auction after the 1st bid. I'd like to hope that McCabe has learnt from 2006/07/08 but at the end of the day, it's easy for us to sit here saying he should push the boat out, I'm still not sure about where HRH stands at all.

 

[haich1889]

I'm sure we have tried at certain points but we're generally out of the auction after the 1st bid. I'd like to hope that McCabe has learnt from 2006/07/08 but at the end of the day, it's easy for us to sit here saying he should push the boat out, I'm still not sure about where HRH stands at all.

The very definition of having a go, is not being outbid at the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or any other bid. & if McCabe hasn't got the capacity to 'push the boat out' then we may as well all all settle for mediocrity.
I & many others 'push the boat out' every time we buy season tickets & go to away matches that we can't afford. Spending thousands every season that we can't really justify.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The very definition of having a go, is not being outbid at the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or any other bid. & if McCabe hasn't got the capacity to 'push the boat out' then we may as well all all settle for mediocrity.
I & many others 'push the boat out' every time we buy season tickets & go to away matches that we can't afford. Spending thousands every season that we can't really justify.

That's why McCabe is a millionnaire

As I said, it's not just as simple as writing cheques, the teams we are competing against in the market have richer owners and parachute payments in the bank, that's the problem.

 

[haich1889]

That's why McCabe is a millionnaire

As I said, it's not just as simple as writing cheques, the teams we are competing against in the market have richer owners and parachute payments in the bank, that's the problem.

Is exactly why i'd like to see what the Prince has to offer rather than the 'devil you know'.
If it doesn't work I don't think we'll have lost owt.
I remember listening to a phone-in once where one of the Radio Sheff presenters was asking a caller (who was amazingly questioning ambition) : do you want to end up like Leeds (who were in the 3rd tier at the time)?? ....... Hell fuckin yes!! At least I could die with the memory of some kind of success. Ffs my dad is 80yrs old & never even seen a Cup final. 80 bloody yrs without winning a trophy : from a Club in a city the size of Sheffield. It's criminal.

 

[Bartleby]

Totally agree. Any brief (very very brief) periods of ambition i can recall (Spackman's team/Bryan Robson)

And yet if he hadn't been "ambitious" with Robson, Warnock would have probably taken us straight back up.

 

[haich1889]

And yet if he hadn't been "ambitious" with Robson, Warnock would have probably taken us straight back up.

If you read one of my earlier posts I allude to the fact that very rare Robson type ambition is never sustained & the plug is pulled at the 1st hurdle.

 

[BushBlade]

When KM took over the club, owners didn’t have to subsidise a championship with £5m+ every season. Now, they do. That’s not his fault. But he’s not dealt with it very well.

The court case, in essence, is about KM getting back some of his losses, as much as he can v Prince getting a club on the cheap (or at a realistic price, from his point of view).

KM’s stubbornness and determination to minimise his losses are getting a bit Ellis Short, a bit Randy Lerner. Basically, he won’t cut his losses and fuck off.

It’s a shitshow really, once again KM is paying for his poor judgement of people. And the club is suffering.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Is exactly why i'd like to see what the Prince has to offer rather than the 'devil you know'.
If it doesn't work I don't think we'll have lost owt.
I remember listening to a phone-in once where one of the Radio Sheff presenters was asking a caller (who was amazingly questioning ambition) : do you want to end up like Leeds (who were in the 3rd tier at the time)?? ....... Hell fuckin yes!! At least I could die with the memory of some kind of success. Ffs my dad is 80yrs old & never even seen a Cup final. 80 bloody yrs without winning a trophy : from a Club in a city the size of Sheffield. It's criminal.

Be careful what you wish for though, although there's more to it, the fact McCabe is fighting him suggests he doesn't trust him as sole owner and whatever you may think of him, he has the club's best interests at heart.

 

[Bartleby]

If you read one of my earlier posts I allude to the fact that very rare Robson type ambition is never sustained & the plug is pulled at the 1st hurdle.

Yes I did read that, I was just making a point that on that occasion it was ambition that we didn't need - getting a so called big name in for the sake of it.

 

[haich1889]

Define 'best interests'??

Stability & caution?

Give me some 'caution to the wind' just for once...... please please please

 

[haich1889]

Yes I did read that, I was just making a point that on that occasion it was ambition that we didn't need - getting a so called big name in for the sake of it.

Agree mate. Point i'm makin is once that ambition was in motion it should have been sustained a bit longer post Robson.
What did we do: employ Warnock's cheapo side kick

 

[Bladesman]

No shit, it was the same last time we were in this division.

Only difference now is we play better football.

 

[haich1889]

Which makes it infinitely more frustrating!!
If Wilder goes you van just imagine McCabe thinkin " that's enough of that good football malarkey, fans getting too excited for mediocre investment" ... taxi for Mick Mcarthy.

 

[snootyfenooty]

When KM took over the club, owners didn’t have to subsidise a championship with £5m+ every season. Now, they do. That’s not his fault. But he’s not dealt with it very well.

The court case, in essence, is about KM getting back some of his losses, as much as he can v Prince getting a club on the cheap (or at a realistic price, from his point of view).

KM’s stubbornness and determination to minimise his losses are getting a bit Ellis Short, a bit Randy Lerner. Basically, he won’t cut his losses and fuck off.

It’s a shitshow really, once again KM is paying for his poor judgement of people. And the club is suffering.

100%. If he hangs on it's going to cost him £6-7m p.a. to subsidise the club. Might as well give the club away and fuck off now and save himself £20m over the next 3 years. The biggest obstacle to a sale is McCabe himself and his convoluted ownership structure. Who on earth is going to buy the club when everything it's sitting on has got McCabe Enterprises stuck all over it.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I’ll happily slag the owners off. If you can’t afford to sustain a decent amount of investment for a football club the size of Sheffield United then put the club up for sale and get rid to somebody who can. I know it’s not that simple, but the fact is with them at the helm we will never get to the Premier League. I’ll give McCabe credit for putting the club in a better financial position than when he arrived. But the last 10 years have been turgid for the most part, until one of the best managers we’ve ever had showed up and saved us from scrapping against League 1 relegation. Now I reckon we’re on the brink of seeing that manager losing interest.

Nailed it.

That’s as good as what I could have written.

Wilder, along with Fleck and JOC, amongst others, will leave, probably in the summer because this club can not and will not match their ambitions.

We can all sit here and argue about how much KM has put in. For sake of argument let’s say it’s £90m (I’ve seen that banded around enough). He isn’t £90m out of pocket, not a chance. And if he is, that to me would amount to nothing short of negligent. Plus, what kind of businessman would hold on to an arm of a portfolio that he knows is losing money? You would get rid. All this ‘sell to the right person’ is bollocks as well. It’s his fault HRH is wanting to buy him out. KM put the option there to start with!! I could again argue negligence.

For me, we’ve hit the ceiling. We’re the equivalent of a fat kid pulling an 8/10 dolly bird. You know you’re never going to keep hold of her. It’s the waitin game of when she leaves for someone who can offer more.