McGoldrick chance a game

[blade too long]

We cannot carry a striker who scores once every ten games indefinitely.

HES SCORED 5 SO 1 IN 4

Sharp misses a lot too

man city paid 60m for mahrez and hes only scored 4

 

[cc1]

“Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?”

Nice work...but do we drop all our forwards every time they don't score? And cancel the contracts of our defenders / keeper when they let one in? You can't say that just because the bloke missed a clear chance that he didn't have a cracking game yesterday. Him and Bash were a joy to watch.

 

[Blade58]

Missed again.

I love watching him but that’s 4 games on the bounce he’s had a great chance to score and fluffed his lines. It’s cost us in every one bar Brentford.

Played alright today, and you can’t legislate for whatever the fuck Henderson did, but it would be nice if McGoldrick could get some finishing training in.

We wouldn’t have scored if we played while 2019 regardless.

He's just not a natural goal scorer. Said that from day 1

Good technically, but I wonder sometimes whether he should be picked as part of a front two

Goals make prizes and as we seem to be lacking them at crucial times of late. This is why CW is looking up top fir further recruitments. We can't keep waiting for Washington to get his first goal, although yeaterdays overhead kick in the last minute would have been class, or for Goldie to realise you have to put the ball past the GK or the defender on the line rather than aim for them.

ATM, it just seems like this is what's stopping us move up to the next level.

 

[Houston_Blade]

HES SCORED 5 SO 1 IN 4

Sharp misses a lot too

man city paid 60m for mahrez and hes only scored 4

Mahrez is a winger. John Stones hasn't scored many either, or Kyle Walker.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I've been a critic of McGoldrick throughout his spell at United; here's why. He plays as a link man, more of a number ten than a striker. He crowds out the space that is occupied by Duffy and leaves his strike "partner" isolated. This wouldn't be so much of a problem if either Mcgoldrick or Duffy would make a third man run beyond, or at least level with the other striker - but they don't. The net effect is that the strike partner is left completely isolated and United play lots of nice football in inoffensive, central areas. To score goals you have to get the ball wide and load the box with numbers, or get third man runners breaking the lines beyond the striker(s). Neither of them are likely with Mcgoldrick occupying a centre forward role. When Duffy came off and Mcgoldrick became the "ten" United looked a much bigger threat as Washington did break the lines. In summary: United are all fur and no knickers with Mcgoldrick up top. Possibly the best side in the division between both boxes ,without the quality to penetrate and punish teams.

A view that I concur with. McG also has a habit of playing too deep. There were moments when the three deepest players for Utd were him, Norwood & Egan, and it unbalances us.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I might be the only one but i don't really rate McGoldrick.
He always seems to play with his back to goal, there are times when he receives the ball he could turn but he just lays a pass off sometimes back to defence putting pressure on them.
I would love to know how many times he loses the ball when we are attacking because for me he seems to do this quite often.
He's definitely not a finisher, Don't get me wrong he's ok but if we are looking at promotion then we need better.
Maybe it's me but i think he's one of those players that for some reason everybody thinks he's good but if you actually watch him closely he's not that good, definitely a weak link for me.
This is not a knee jerk reaction from yesterday by the way its something i have thought for a while.

Any way tin hat on.

 

[BettingBlade]

Carrying? He covers more work than just about anybody. He brings so much to the team it's unreal, it's not his fault it's only Sharp that scores in the team.

Also, he currently he has 5 goals. At this rate, he will have what, 12 goals for the season? More than reasonable for a second striker.

He will only get 12 if Sharp misses another penalty and he’s back on them

 

[spongebobblade]

Is scoring not a problem? I’d argue that with increasing urgency. We’ve drawn a blank in 3 of our last 5.

5th equal highest in the league. 4th before yesterday and we’ve only been overtaken by Villa as they’ve scored for fun recently. I’d argue you need to check your stats before you post. Every club has games they don’t score in. For the chances we create we just need to be ruthless if we want success

 

[Revolution]

HES SCORED 5 SO 1 IN 4

Sharp misses a lot too

man city paid 60m for mahrez and hes only scored 4

1 in 10 from open play.

The Mahrez comparison is, if anything, even worse than your usual apples and oranges attempts.

 

[Guesty]

The chance he created for Sharp was offside. Albeit not flagged

Lack of power is not to blame for his preposterous miss from 4 yards against Rotherham, nor I would suggest his recent penalty aberration, unless his injury is much worse than let on. Nor his staggering lack of awareness when played through by Freeman again in the Rotherham game.

I agree with Broomhall too, for all his supposed glorious link-up play, a worrying amount of passes are backwards cos he's always facing his own goal .

 

[Hague Blade]

Nice work...but do we drop all our forwards every time they don't score? You can't say that just because the bloke missed a clear chance that he didn't have a cracking game yesterday.

Certainly not saying he should be dropped; happy that it's Wilder's job to pick the team. And I agree DMcG played well yesterday, though I think 'superb' was a bit strong. But at the same time he's failed to score from glaring opportunities in our last two home games, and you could argue he's cost us five points as a result.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think he's a good player, he does certain things very well and is a creative player, something that we lack apart from Duffy as the style we have is more functional than creative. If he carries on playing well I'll eventually get over the fact that he missed a penalty against the pigs, at the moment he keeps missing chances so it's exacerbating the fact that he missed a penalty against the pigs.

 

[Topplayersleave]

It's not about how many goals he gets, it's about how he finds himself in a position between two and ten yards out with the whole net to aim for but somehow manages to hit the goalkeeper or the defender on the line every single time

The most glaring miss was Sharp's header, but you know that he'll score from that header on 9/10 occasions
McGoldrick misses on 9/10 occasions

 

[BushBlade]

I've been a critic of McGoldrick throughout his spell at United; here's why. He plays as a link man, more of a number ten than a striker. He crowds out the space that is occupied by Duffy and leaves his strike "partner" isolated. This wouldn't be so much of a problem if either Mcgoldrick or Duffy would make a third man run beyond, or at least level with the other striker - but they don't. The net effect is that the strike partner is left completely isolated and United play lots of nice football in inoffensive, central areas. To score goals you have to get the ball wide and load the box with numbers, or get third man runners breaking the lines beyond the striker(s). Neither of them are likely with Mcgoldrick occupying a centre forward role. When Duffy came off and Mcgoldrick became the "ten" United looked a much bigger threat as Washington did break the lines. In summary: United are all fur and no knickers with Mcgoldrick up top. Possibly the best side in the division between both boxes ,without the quality to penetrate and punish teams.

I was going to suggest something similar, saying ‘please shoot me down on this one’ but I read the thread first.
I’d almost say he’s trying to do too much. I saw at one point yesterday he dropped so deep to pick up a ball from defence and thought, that’s Norwood’s job, get up front so there’s players to pass to.

I’d even suggest it’s affecting both Duffy and Fleck. Leon used to drop deeper but only when we were out of possession, to win the ball and then lay it off and get forward.

But I think it’s something we can work at in training. We’ve got a couple of full weeks, which we haven’t had much of recently with mid-week games and international breaks.

 

[Sharp as a blade]

It's worth remembering although he has missed chances Vs Forrest and Leeds (and the penalty Vs the pigs).... That on all 3 occasions the GK made an unexpected save.

The Forrest one in particular was a great save. There is an argument to be had that he should have left the keeper with no chance (especially against Leeds where he had the entire net to aim) but I would much rather have a striker that misses Chances and continues to get them than one who misses one and shirks the responsibility of getting into those positions again fearing a miss .

His all round game is good and is what is currently keeping him in the side. Let's not forget he was brought in as Donaldson's replacement and on a free. In that respect he is a massive improvement.

 

[I should coco]

1 in 10 from open play.

The last refuge of the scoundrel again;

"Penalties don't count".

 

[Eric Cartman]

5th equal highest in the league. 4th before yesterday and we’ve only been overtaken by Villa as they’ve scored for fun recently. I’d argue you need to check your stats before you post. Every club has games they don’t score in. For the chances we create we just need to be ruthless if we want success

Surely only the most recent games matter more than the older ones? The old saying rings true ‘you’re only as good as your last game’.

I have checked my stats hence why I know we have drawn 3 blanks in our last 5.

 

[Revolution]

The last refuge of the scoundrel again;

"Penalties don't count".

As I said upthread, they do count, and they are important. McGoldrick has won us points with penalties and credit to him.

But we will not get in the playoffs with a forward playing 40 games who only scores penalties. We need more end product from him if he's going to start every week.

 

[spongebobblade]

Surely only the most recent games matter more than the older ones? The old saying rings true ‘you’re only as good as your last game’.

I have checked my stats hence why I know we have drawn 3 blanks in our last 5.

Or I could say we’ve scored 5 in our last 2 away games. A season isn’t defined over 5 games. Billy hasn’t hit the net in 4 games and a sub appearance at Brentford. Doesn’t mean we need to get rid though does it. Yes we need improvements to take us to the next level but we have a budget and can’t do anything about it until January. Wilder knows what we need but in the meantime we keep going with what we have.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[finlaytheblade]

McGoldrick is fun to watch, and brings good things, but that's his 20th appearance this season and he's only scored twice from open play.

We need better than that.

He's playing really well,goals will come,not the greatest finisher but having no luck at present .Just like the team at present playing well not getting the rewards they deserve but our luck will change

 

[blade too long]

1 in 10 from open play.

The Mahrez comparison is, if anything, even worse than your usual apples and oranges attempts.

remember people moaning when we sold Blackman but 75 per cent of his goals were pens
doesnt mcgoldrick fit in

 

[cc1]

The chance he created for Sharp was offside. Albeit not flagged

Lack of power is not to blame for his preposterous miss from 4 yards against Rotherham, nor I would suggest his recent penalty aberration, unless his injury is much worse than let on. Nor his staggering lack of awareness when played through by Freeman again in the Rotherham game.

I agree with Broomhall too, for all his supposed glorious link-up play, a worrying amount of passes are backwards cos he's always facing his own goal .

Yeah that chance for sharp didn't count you're right, just more evidence like you say of how abysmal is awareness is given Billy was offside. Everyone rightly has an opinion but seriously, he played very well yesterday, and the likes of you slagging his every move is just totally deflating. Is there any wonder the atmosphere is poor when our players get hammered by our own fans? Were you genuinely worried, i mean, actually WORRIED about the number of passes backwards?

Probably never agree Guesty and nowt against you, just the general trend of negativity is difficult to understand, and given how close CW is to the fan base of the club, the negativity must filter back at some point, albeit possibly a watered-down version. That must sit very uncomfortably with the bloke in the face of (alledgedly) lucrative offers from around the country.

UTB

 

[Guesty]

Yeah that chance for sharp didn't count you're right, just more evidence like you say of how abysmal is awareness is given Billy was offside. Everyone rightly has an opinion but seriously, he played very well yesterday, and the likes of you slagging his every move is just totally deflating. Is there any wonder the atmosphere is poor when our players get hammered by our own fans? Were you genuinely worried, i mean, actually WORRIED about the number of passes backwards?

Probably never agree Guesty and nowt against you, just the general trend of negativity is difficult to understand, and given how close CW is to the fan base of the club, the negativity must filter back at some point, albeit possibly a watered-down version. That must sit very uncomfortably with the bloke in the face of (alledgedly) lucrative offers from around the country.

UTB

The point about Sharp's chance was just a bit of trivia. Sharp was at fault for being offside, not McGoldrick. But McGoldrick was most certainly at fault against Rotherham when he ignored Freeman's pass even though TWO Rotherham players were playing him on. His awareness, in that situation, was shocking.

Of course I'm not *worried* about a lot of McGoldrick's passes being backwards, but I keep hearing how great his link-up play is. It means little though if he takes the ball down beautifully they just lays it back to Norwood or Egan.

And finally, his finishing has cost us wins against Wednesday and Leeds in consecutive home matches, so while I admit some of the criticism from myself and others may be a tad harsh, it's easy to see why people are upset.

 

[cc1]

The point about Sharp's chance was just a bit of trivia. Sharp was at fault for being offside, not McGoldrick. But McGoldrick was most certainly at fault against Rotherham when he ignored Freeman's pass even though TWO Rotherham players were playing him on. His awareness, in that situation, was shocking.

Of course I'm not *worried* about a lot of McGoldrick's passes being backwards, but I keep hearing how great his link-up play is. It means little though if he takes the ball down beautifully they just lays it back to Norwood or Egan.

And finally, his finishing has cost us wins against Wednesday and Leeds in consecutive home matches, so while I admit some of the criticism from myself and others may be a tad harsh, it's easy to see why people are upset.

Ok, so why give harsh criticism out in the first place? Seriously what point does it serve? It's hardly going to give hrh that last bit of impetus he needs to give us that 10 million quid striker we 'need' to replace a player that in your opinion is not good enough.
McGoldrick is another astute bit of business from CW, and he knows far more about how to assemble a professional football team than me, you or pretty much anyone else for that matter. I say we stick with his judgement and just hang back a wee bit on the player bashing whenever a result doesn't go for us

UTB

 

[Guesty]

Ok, so why give harsh criticism out in the first place? Seriously what point does it serve? It's hardly going to give hrh that last bit of impetus he needs to give us that 10 million quid striker we 'need' to replace a player that in your opinion is not good enough.
McGoldrick is another astute bit of business from CW, and he knows far more about how to assemble a professional football team than me, you or pretty much anyone else for that matter. I say we stick with his judgement and just hang back a wee bit on the player bashing whenever a result doesn't go for us

UTB

By that same token, why praise a player? Why offer any opinion at all if it isn't going to influence the board or the manager?

 

[cc1]

By that same token, why praise a player? Why offer any opinion at all if it isn't going to influence the board or the manager?

That's a bit disingenuous and straying from the point I was making.
I believe the criticism dished out was thoroughly unwarranted, not just by you, but at the end of you day your opinion is your own and yours to express however you want.

 

[Guesty]

That's a bit disingenuous and straying from the point I was making.
I believe the criticism dished out was thoroughly unwarranted, not just by you, but at the end of you day your opinion is your own and yours to express however you want.

What I mean is, most of us don't venture opinions on here because we think they'll get back to the club, or influence anything. We do it because we want to vent (or sing praises).

Also, I've not levelled any personal abuse at McGoldrick. I just think he has been very poor in the last few games.

 

[Revolution]

remember people moaning when we sold Blackman but 75 per cent of his goals were pens
doesnt mcgoldrick fit in

Blackman got 6 pens and 5 from open play. that ain't 75%.

And you're a hypocrite. You defended the Blackman sale on the basis that he only scored pens!

Nobody is advocating selling McGoldrick. Many people have praised some of the things he does. He is a good player to watch. People are just saying his goals to game ratio is rather poor given the number of games he has started. There are other options to try, fortunately unlike in 2013 when we got Forte and Poleon.

 

[Revolution]

Ok, so why give harsh criticism out in the first place? Seriously what point does it serve? It's hardly going to give hrh that last bit of impetus he needs to give us that 10 million quid striker we 'need' to replace a player that in your opinion is not good enough.
McGoldrick is another astute bit of business from CW, and he knows far more about how to assemble a professional football team than me, you or pretty much anyone else for that matter. I say we stick with his judgement and just hang back a wee bit on the player bashing whenever a result doesn't go for us

UTB

So why are you posting if your opinion counts for nothing?

If Wilder, or the players, give any consideration whatsoever to what is posted on here then they are really focussing on something they shouldn't be. It's a message board on which fans post their views. Sometimes these discussions - including this one I think - are interesting.

McGoldrick has scored twice from open play in 20 games. Both goals were scored from less than a yard. He doesn't seem to be able to score goals. And when Sharp is not getting the ball (by my reckoning, he's had 2 crosses played to him, both headers, since the Wigan game, which is pretty poor service. He should've bagged one of the two IMHO) that's a problem. Other people think the same. Some don't, and I'll happily debate that with them. Harsh criticism? Come off it. that's fair comment.