Penalty taker

[Shalalalafenoughty]

With a nod to Roy, I had a look at one or two fans’ forums last night and these comments from Fulham supporters were interesting, especially the first one:


“Olly Norwood having a good first half for Sheff. United but they don't see him as the penalty taker, which might cost them.”

“He was very good first half. Running the game.”

“I think he thrives being there best technical player.”

“I always liked him - yes he is good technically but also not scared to make a challenge and put his body on the line. (remember his lock in the final) Good attitude and a real pro - especially as he was only on loan”

“Agreed. Given the money we were throwing around you do wonder why we didn't try to keep him as a squad player and positive dressing room influence”

“ Go along with that.”


I haven’t looked it up but I presume he must have taken some pens at Fulham. Given that McGoldrick and Bill have both blotted their copybook lately, perhaps Norwood might be the answer to this particular problem. I’d be happy to see him given the job: confident lad, good temperament and I imagine he’d hit them with pace which would always be my preferred option.

 

[Worksop II]

You do know he has missed one for us already .... on his debut

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

You do know he has missed one for us already .... on his debut

Completely forgot that! Still think he’d be the right man. He’s confident enough not to let it affect him. Not sure that’s the case with the others who’ve missed.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Think it will be back to Billy.

 

[benn5712]

Said at the time last night, Duffs was about to pull the trigger when fouled. Just watched it back and Bill was in his usual kill zone. Hopefully onside. FFS
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[Fulwood Blade]

I would take penalties off Mcgoldrick and not give them back - except in a penalty shoot out.

McColdrick "gave " Dawson the opportunity to save the penalty on Friday. Goal keepers are extremely athletic these days and if quite obvious that if a pen taker side foots it like McGoldrick did AND the GK goes the right way, then he has a chance to save it. Give Dawson credit for staying cool and getting down low to his left, but if hit hard enough, it would still have beaten him.

A professional footballer SHOULD be able to hit a ball at pace, so even if a GK chooses the right way it will be past him before he dives and probably the only way to keep it out is a fluke.

Billy at least hits them with pace on the ball.

Players like Nick Blackman who have the ultimate confidence to have a stuttered run up offer something different and this can make GK's go early, also have merit but it is rarely seen at our level.

Give them back to Billy.

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[LoughboroBlade]

I would take penalties off Mcgoldrick and not give them back - except in a penalty shoot out.

McColdrick "gave " Dawson the opportunity to save the penalty on Friday. Goal keepers are extremely athletic these days and if quite obvious that if a pen taker side foots it like McGoldrick did AND the GK goes the right way, then he has a chance to save it. Give Dawson credit for staying cool and getting down low to his left, but if hit hard enough, it would still have beaten him.

A professional footballer SHOULD be able to hit a ball at pace, so even if a GK chooses the right way it will be past him before he dives and probably the only way to keep it out is a fluke.

Billy at least hits them with pace on the ball.

Players like Nick Blackman who have the ultimate confidence to have a stuttered run up offer something different and this can make GK's go early, also have merit but it is rarely seen at our level.

Give them back to Billy.

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Out of that and the QPR & Hull efforts, Friday’s was actually much tougher to save as it was low and right in the corner. Think in both of the others he hit it to the keeper’s left, but about halfway between the middle and corner. My concern is that he’s perhaps too predictable now with his placement – has he hit any for us to the keeper’s right? It may well be that he tries to get a read on the keeper’s intentions and hits it accordingly, and that on Friday Dawson didn't give that away.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Out of that and the QPR & Hull efforts, Friday’s was actually much tougher to save as it was low and right in the corner. Think in both of the others he hit it to the keeper’s left, but about halfway between the middle and corner. My concern is that he’s perhaps too predictable now with his placement – has he hit any for us to the keeper’s right? It may well be that he tries to get a read on the keeper’s intentions and hits it accordingly, and that on Friday Dawson didn't give that away.

He doesn't seem to time the ball correctly for me - McGoldricks pens always seem capable of being saved if the GK chooses correctly.

I like him as a player but when running at defences and shooting, his timing also seems off. He's a clever footballer, but for pens they need hitting with pace.

Apparently Billy and McG have an agreement - each takes them until one misses, so if true, Billy will be back on duty if playing.

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[FlamingLip]

Friday was for the captain to step up. Folk mis pens, so not slating DM, but on that occasion I was very surprised Billy didn't insist taking responsibility

 

[Gimli]

Out of interest, how many times do penalties get saved when they are put high rather than low?
I realise this increases the chance of missing the target but you virtually never see a keeper save a pen that’s higher than waist height.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Friday was for the captain to step up. Folk mis pens, so not slating DM, but on that occasion I was very surprised Billy didn't insist taking responsibility

And break the agreement about who had the job? Some captain he’d have been if he’d done that.

 

[FlamingLip]

And break the agreement about who had the job? Some captain he’d have been if he’d done that.

Yeeeeeeah fair shout.

 

[mattbianco1]

Is it only me that hasn't got a problem with Mcgoldrick taking that penalty?

Sharp had missed his last one (2 maybe) and Mcgoldrick had scored 3. Sharp would've absolutely belted it granted, but sentiment shouldn't come into it. If we'd let Sharp take it and he'd missed, there'd be a lot more uproar

 

[Bobby Boo]

Is it only me that hasn't got a problem with Mcgoldrick taking that penalty?

Sharp had missed his last one (2 maybe) and Mcgoldrick had scored 3. Sharp would've absolutely belted it granted, but sentiment shouldn't come into it. If we'd let Sharp take it and he'd missed, there'd be a lot more uproar

Couldn't agree more.

 

[CarlingBlade]

Is it only me that hasn't got a problem with Mcgoldrick taking that penalty?

Sharp had missed his last one (2 maybe) and Mcgoldrick had scored 3. Sharp would've absolutely belted it granted, but sentiment shouldn't come into it. If we'd let Sharp take it and he'd missed, there'd be a lot more uproar

100% that, why was Sharp ever going to take it, if McGoldrick had scored would fans be saying Sharp should have taken the penalty???

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Is it only me that hasn't got a problem with Mcgoldrick taking that penalty?

Sharp had missed his last one (2 maybe) and Mcgoldrick had scored 3. Sharp would've absolutely belted it granted, but sentiment shouldn't come into it. If we'd let Sharp take it and he'd missed, there'd be a lot more uproar

Quite happy for McG to take it as he had an agreement with Billy - team unity and all that.

Unhappy in total with McG taking penalties in the first place as I think his timing of a dead ball or even a moving ball when running and shooting is poor. He side footed the penalty against the pigs - this ALWAYS gives a GK the opportunity to save it if he chooses the correct way which Dawson did.

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[mattbianco1]

Interesting to see who steps up next time.

I'd let Fleck or Norwood have it. They're up there with Sharp for power and precision in their dead ball strikes

Although I think it will be back to Billy

 

[CarlingBlade]

Billy used to smash the ball down the middle but for some reason changed his style, lets face it, penalties are a lottery if the keeper guesses the right way, however power and accuracy will always give you more chance of converting, McGoldricks didn't really have either on Friday night.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Quite happy for McG to take it as he had an agreement with Billy - team unity and all that.

Unhappy in total with McG taking penalties in the first place as I think his timing of a dead ball or even a moving ball when running and shooting is poor. He side footed the penalty against the pigs - this ALWAYS gives a GK the opportunity to save it if he chooses the correct way which Dawson did.

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I think Chelsea are going to take pens off Hazard for the same reason...

 

[BettingBlade]

Is it only me that hasn't got a problem with Mcgoldrick taking that penalty?

Sharp had missed his last one (2 maybe) and Mcgoldrick had scored 3. Sharp would've absolutely belted it granted, but sentiment shouldn't come into it. If we'd let Sharp take it and he'd missed, there'd be a lot more uproar

I said at the time McG had to take it. Sharp has missed more than his fair share for us and McG had always looked calm slotting his previous pens home.

It was a decent save tbf but keepers do their homework nowadays. The last 2 have gone that way and Dawson would have known that.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Completely forgot that! Still think he’d be the right man. He’s confident enough not to let it affect him. Not sure that’s the case with the others who’ve missed.

Think you’re making a problem that isn’t there.

McGoldrick and Sharp are excellent penalty takers and don’t let misses effect them.
So where’s the problem?

 

[Bayingblade]

Friday was for the captain to step up. Folk mis pens, so not slating DM, but on that occasion I was very surprised Billy didn't insist taking responsibility

Agreed. Especially in front of that lot!

 

[Sheffsteel]

It was a decent save tbf but keepers do their homework nowadays. The last 2 have gone that way and Dawson would have known that.

But all players know that goalies do their home work.
So maybe McGoldrick thought the goalie will think he’ll change my normal spot because the last few have gone to the left.

Seems to me that both Sharp and McG want to take penalties as it will boost their goal stats.
So Wilder is letting each one keep the job until they miss, expect Sharp to take the next one.

 

[Silent Blade]

How about "passing" the ball to the top corner? Bobby Ford was good at that

 

[Lmaobob]

I would take penalties off Mcgoldrick and not give them back - except in a penalty shoot out.

McColdrick "gave " Dawson the opportunity to save the penalty on Friday. Goal keepers are extremely athletic these days and if quite obvious that if a pen taker side foots it like McGoldrick did AND the GK goes the right way, then he has a chance to save it. Give Dawson credit for staying cool and getting down low to his left, but if hit hard enough, it would still have beaten him.

A professional footballer SHOULD be able to hit a ball at pace, so even if a GK chooses the right way it will be past him before he dives and probably the only way to keep it out is a fluke.

Billy at least hits them with pace on the ball.

Players like Nick Blackman who have the ultimate confidence to have a stuttered run up offer something different and this can make GK's go early, also have merit but it is rarely seen at our level.

Give them back to Billy.

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Completely agree. I found that with McGoldrick's penalties, it's a bit of a 50/50 chance for the keeper to save it.

McGoldrick places his penalties and they never have any real power or intent to get past the goalkeeper, just a penalty that goes the opposite side of where the keeper is diving to.

If Billy had taken the penalty instead, if Dawson had a hand on ball, it would have been too powerful to keep out.

Whilst McGoldrick's pen was nicely placed, it wasn't a strong shot, and the keeper really just needs to dive the right way.

 

[Mumbo]

Completely agree. I found that with McGoldrick's penalties, it's a bit of a 50/50 chance for the keeper to save it.

McGoldrick places his penalties and they never have any real power or intent to get past the goalkeeper, just a penalty that goes the opposite side of where the keeper is diving to.

If Billy had taken the penalty instead, if Dawson had a hand on ball, it would have been too powerful to keep out.

Whilst McGoldrick's pen was nicely placed, it wasn't a strong shot, and the keeper really just needs to dive the right way.

Would agree with that,if it’s hit with power there’s little chance of a keeper controlling where the ball will end up and more chance of a knockin from a rebound as the keeper simply does not have the time to shepherd a ball safely out of play.

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

Just bringing this thread back to the top.

I appreciate that neither Sharp nor McGoldrick were on the pitch when we got the penalty tonight but I was delighted to see Norwood play a captain’s role and accept the responsibility and he took it in exactly the right way with power and confidence. He’d be my first choice penalty taker now even if the other two are on the pitch (and after tonight I suspect they’ll all three be on the pitch together for most of the rest of the season).

 

[bromtom]

Just bringing this thread back to the top.

I appreciate that neither Sharp nor McGoldrick were on the pitch when we got the penalty tonight but I was delighted to see Norwood play a captain’s role and accept the responsibility and he took it in exactly the right way with power and confidence. He’d be my first choice penalty taker now even if the other two are on the pitch (and after tonight I suspect they’ll all three be on the pitch together for most of the rest of the season).

Think that's how it works in our team. Take them until you miss one.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Have I mentioned that if we miss out on promotion by 2 points this season I'm blaming McGoldrick, yes I'm going to ignore the goals he's scored and all the valuable contributions he's made and hold him to account for one of the things he's done wrong.

That's how it works with our strikers isn't it? Do something wrong and we batter them, do something right and we expect it of them.

 

[BigBed]

With a nod to Roy, I had a look at one or two fans’ forums last night and these comments from Fulham supporters were interesting, especially the first one:


“Olly Norwood having a good first half for Sheff. United but they don't see him as the penalty taker, which might cost them.”

“He was very good first half. Running the game.”

“I think he thrives being there best technical player.”

“I always liked him - yes he is good technically but also not scared to make a challenge and put his body on the line. (remember his lock in the final) Good attitude and a real pro - especially as he was only on loan”

“Agreed. Given the money we were throwing around you do wonder why we didn't try to keep him as a squad player and positive dressing room influence”

“ Go along with that.”


I haven’t looked it up but I presume he must have taken some pens at Fulham. Given that McGoldrick and Bill have both blotted their copybook lately, perhaps Norwood might be the answer to this particular problem. I’d be happy to see him given the job: confident lad, good temperament and I imagine he’d hit them with pace which would always be my preferred option.

You missed out, that he can land a pass on a 20p so putting it where he wants in a massive onion bag 15yrd away should be a piece of piss!