Brooks article in the Guardian

[Balham]

I wouldn't be so sure. The Welsh have some superb footballers at present who would walk into the England side. Could you imagine the England team with the likes of Brooks, Bale & Ramsay in it? IMO, the Welsh will qualify for more & more tournaments in the coming years & as a nation, will begin to compete at the top level soon.

Wales will qualify for more tournaments by default as the number of teams increases but unless they find a defence and source of goals other than Bale they will continue to be a second or third tier international side.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We will have a good sell on clause in the contract.

Where is this shown as fact? How do you know or are you basing it on the £m's we got from Walkers big move - not.

We'll get a pittance of his actual worth.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Sessegnon is 3 years younger and played most of last season, he's also a wing back.

I think we might be top of the championship without Brooks as well.

But with Brooks I'd be more confident about us still being there come next Easter...

Don't have the energy to rehash old ground. My view is he went one season too soon, and nothing I've seen from him or us since, has made me think any differently...

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Wales will qualify for more tournaments by default as the number of teams increases but unless they find a defence and source of goals other than Bale they will continue to be a second or third tier international side.

Don't forget Ampadu who looks the real deal too!

I'd say they're a decent Number 9 away from knocking on the door of the top tier of international football!

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Don’t you reckon? Norwich didn’t do too badly out of the Maddison deal, £10m more than Brooks he cost didn’t he?

To be fair, Maddison created twice the assists of Brooks last season and scored almost 5 times as many goals.

 

[BLADES1988]

I'm already wondering WEERZSELLONMUNNEHGONE

 

[stringer]

To be fair, Maddison created twice the assists of Brooks last season and scored almost 5 times as many goals.

He did. I’m not saying they are comparable players, the point made was that his value wouldn’t have increased if he stayed in the Championship. £22m for Maddison (of Norwich in the Championship) suggests it may have

 

[blade too long]

Brooks stays with us, he's our star attacker, we're top of the Championship - he's this seasons Ryan Sessegnon and his value far exceeds £11m and we have a much better chance of being promoted.

I stand by my comment - it was a year too soon!!!

we are top of the championship , and have a top striker
we wont have a better chance of promotion due to just 1 player
we are a good TEAM

Brooks is still learning, we needed experience to get out of a seriously hard league
Grealish at Villa didnt take them up despite the hype
We were more in that situation than your fantasy

 

[Sheffsteel]

Brooks is better off at Bournemouth . We got what was top end money for him as he is still unproven . Bournemouth are playing well and he's looking g[good like he did when we were playing well. It he looked very average when we weren't at our best. He sti) cannot lift games on his own
Hence the fee was good for both parties

This exactly.
Some of our fans have no idea, the logic is flawed.
You can only set a valuation on the form, talent, progress, situation at the time.
It’s so easy to make a judgement in retrospect.
Wonder how that hot talent Jordan Slew is doing, many said he was so talented and set for the top.
What about Che Adams, many said he was a future England international and would be playing for Man Utd or Spurs.
What about Ben Woodburn? He was a bigger rated talent than Brooks. Think Liverpool would still want at least 10 million for him.
If we had the money would you pay 10 million on Woodburn? Remember he could be the next Ryan Giggs.

Brooks is playing in a totally different system for Bournmouth, a system we can’t play. He also has different players around him.
If he was still here, he’d be getting mainly subs appearances and we wouldn’t be top, the team is far more important than the individual.

This is one of those rare situations where this deal was a win/ win/ win for United, Bournmouth and the player.
We should be happy for him, wish him well. We’ve moved on.

 

[blade too long]

This exactly.
Some of our fans have no idea, the logic is flawed.
You can only set a valuation on the form, talent, progress, situation at the time.
It’s so easy to make a judgement in retrospect.
Wonder how that got talent Hordan Slew is doing, many said he was so talented and set for the top.
What about Che Adams, many said he was a future England international and would be playing for Man Utd or Spurs.
What about Ben Woodburn? He was a bigger rated talent than Brooks. Think Liverpool would want 10 million for him.
If we had the money would you pay 10 million on Woodburn?

Brooks is playing in a totally different system for Bournmouth, a system we can’t play. He also has different players around him.
If he was still here, he’d be getting mainly subs appearances and we wouldn’t be top, the team is far more important than the individual.
This is one of those rare situations where this deal was a win/ win/ win for United, Bournmouth and the player.
We should be happy for him, wish him well. We’ve moved on.

Its another Blackman situation
we should never have let him go some said, madness they said

has anyone any idea where he is now
he had a purple spell of 6 months then , nothing for 3 years
hes not getting a game at sporting gijon just now

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Brooks stays with us, he's our star attacker, we're top of the Championship - he's this seasons Ryan Sessegnon and his value far exceeds £11m and we have a much better chance of being promoted.

In the real world Brooks left and Wilder brought in McGoldrick on a free. He's already past Brooks' goal tally from last season and we're top of the Championship.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

To be fair, Maddison created twice the assists of Brooks last season and scored almost 5 times as many goals.

And had shown an end product before Norwich.

We keep Brooks, he'd have probably started 3/4 games this season. He doesn't get into our first choice XI. Hence why it was a decent cash in.

Said before, saw him for Wales vs Ireland live, he was utterly abysmal.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Its another Blackman situation
we should never have let him go some said, madness they said

has anyone any idea where he is now
he had a purple spell of 6 months then , nothing for 3 years
hes not getting a game at sporting gijon just now

Another example is Jamal Blackman, the keeper.
Some were saying he’s fantastic and should be our main keeper for years
They said we should offer a few million to sign him from Chelsea but we now have Henderson, who is even better.

The deal with young talents is their progression is unpredictable.
Also the speed of their progression can be slow (so you need patience) and then there’s their style/ attributes.
They may have special talents but those talents might not be a top priority for Sheff United.
An example was 2 year ago we looked dodgy defending corners/ free kicks.
So we bring in the giant keeper Blackman who is brilliant at taking crosses/ corners, he doesn’t need to even jump.

This season we’ve now got 2 commanding centre halves in O’Connell and Egan.
Although Henderson isn’t as good as Blackman at commanding his box, that weakness doesn’t matter any more.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Brooks is superbly suited to the club he is at in the league they play.
He would have been a bit part frustrated and frustrating player had he stayed with us in the league we are on and with the aspirations and needs we have.

Pretty obvious if you'd watched him, us ,Bournemouth and how it works in the self entitled league.

 

[JackSUFC]

GLTTL.

 

[stringer]

We keep Brooks, he'd have probably started 3/4 games this season. He doesn't get into our first choice XI.

Did you mean 34?

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Did you mean 34?

Would have been difficult considering we've only played 16.

 

[Balham]

Did you mean 34?

Where would he play? Bournemouth are playing him wide right with a licence to roam (same as Fraser on the other side). Bournemouth are a team which looks to transition quickly through the thirds so Brooks is getting more space and has Francis behind to cover him defensively. At United he'd have been playing more centrally in a team which looks to control possession.

It was a win-win for all parties. Bournemouth got a talented player who fits into their system perfectly for a relatively good fee. United got an excellent fee for a bit-part player with significant clauses to improve the deal. Brooks got a massive pay rise and exposure at a higher level.

 

[niktheblade]

Lovely player with undoubted talent, but for me, in our team he was somewhat of a luxury player for the way we play. If selling him at the time meant the release of some cash to bring in Egan, Norwood and McGoldrick then i'm all over that. We sold one good youngster (unproven in the PL at the time) to fund 3 good pro's. Would we be top of the league f we had kept Brooks and not signed those 3? i'm not so sure?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing really and it might have gone the other way. We would all be lording the deal if Brooks was sat on the bench at Bournemouth, but he's not and we move on.

 

[DronnieBlade]

GLTTL and Fuck him at the same time

UTB

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Him and Calvert-Lewin.

Bizarre isn’t it?

Legitimately not good enough to nail down a spot in our XI yet now doing nicely at the top table.

Any talk of Howe unearthing him is nonsense of course. We simply didn’t have the platform for him to gain more financial value. Plus he’s still not as good as Duffy in that role.

People should remember that we have signed several players who were not regulars for the clubs they were with, but who have been a perfect fit with Wilder's system, and are key players for us. It is similar with Brooks - great talent, but did not really fit the system we play. I doubt he would have been a regular starter for us this season, but in Bournemouth's system, he has fitted in well. So far, we have done well out of taking other teams' 'misfits', and shouldn't be surprised when it happens the other way.

 

[Houston_Blade]

But with Brooks I'd be more confident about us still being there come next Easter...

Don't have the energy to rehash old ground. My view is he went one season too soon, and nothing I've seen from him or us since, has made me think any differently...

Without Egan and Norwood would we be top now? I doubt we'd have bought them without Brooks leaving.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Without Egan and Norwood would we be top now? I doubt we'd have bought them without Brooks leaving.

If my uncle had hits, he'd be a mermaid...

Let's agree to disagree as there's fook all you can say that'll convince me another year with us wouldn't have made Brooks better, us better, his transfer value higher - and no amount of straw man transfers will persuade me otherwise...

 

[stringer]

Would have been difficult considering we've only played 16.

Ah you meant so far, my bad. I thought you meant 3/4 the whole season

 

[stringer]

Where would he play? Bournemouth are playing him wide right with a licence to roam (same as Fraser on the other side). Bournemouth are a team which looks to transition quickly through the thirds so Brooks is getting more space and has Francis behind to cover him defensively. At United he'd have been playing more centrally in a team which looks to control possession.

It was a win-win for all parties. Bournemouth got a talented player who fits into their system perfectly for a relatively good fee. United got an excellent fee for a bit-part player with significant clauses to improve the deal. Brooks got a massive pay rise and exposure at a higher level.

Second striker, and/or behind the front two alternating with Duffy probably

 

[finlaytheblade]

Where is this shown as fact? How do you know or are you basing it on the £m's we got from Walkers big move - not.

We'll get a pittance of his actual worth.

Wilder said so in the after. math of the transfer.Wilder is not stupid he knows that Brooks will probably move to a bigger club sooner rather than later,it's got the makings of a similar outcome we had with Kyle Walker.Unfortunately we havnt had the chance to see either of them play for us in their pomp.

 

[Sheffsteel]

,it's got the makings of a similar outcome we had with Kyle Walker.Unfortunately we havnt had the chance to see either of them play for us in their pomp.

Agree but I don’t think any Championship club will refuse a few million for an under developed talent with high potential.
Walker and Brooks weren’t even regular first teamers, so their sale didn’t have much immediate effect on the team. If Walker had stayed with us then maybe he wouldn’t have developed so quickly and wouldn’t be the same player as today.

Clubs in the PL can afford to gamble with stupid sums.
They can also afford to be patient and sit on talent waiting a few years to watch them develop.

Take the lad we’ve got out on loan at Tranmere who is scoring for fun.
If a PL club offered us 5 million for him, then should we sell?
Or would people say the fact that a PL club have offered 5 million then he must be a brilliant player.

What about Ben Woodburn? If Liverpool agreed to sell him for 10 million then would you buy?
Bare in mind that in 3 or 4 years there’s a chance he’ll be worth 30 million.
This is the twisted logic, imagine if we did spend the full transfer kitty 10 million on Woodburn, our fans would dispair
But what if Wilder said “Woodburn is an investment because in a few years we believe he’ll be worth 30 million”.
The fans wouldn’t be impressed. We aren’t in a position to sit on talented players for the future, we need players for the here and now.
Once we’re in the PL everything is different and we’ll gamble buying the Brooks types from other clubs in the lower divisions.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Second striker, and/or behind the front two alternating with Duffy probably

But isn't it the case that he is flourishing at Bournemouth (and for Wales) playing on the right of a front three, with some freedom to roam? Wilder doesn't play 3 at the front. Brooks hasn't got the same attributes as Duffy (who has?), and he only occasionally looked effective as a second striker for us; well, principally in the match at S6, where he earned our undying admiration, but you don't get to play against a defence as bad as that very often...

 

[Bladesman]

And we will get a sell on surely!??

We have a lovely 10% sell on clause.

 

[Pinchy]

Brooks stays with us, he's our star attacker, we're top of the Championship - he's this seasons Ryan Sessegnon and his value far exceeds £11m and we have a much better chance of being promoted.

I stand by my comment - it was a year too soon!!!

Not for Brooks and his leech, it wasn’t, sadly.