"A lot needs to happen off the pitch" - Wilder

[finlaytheblade]

Agree with you but it’s already been reported that funds of at least £5 million are available for January, so it’s looks certain that we will have a big spending transfer window.

The problem is to buy the guaranteed top quality for these popular positions., it’ll costs a minimum of £10 million for a striker and £10 million for an attacking midfielder.

Are you hoping we spend 20 million in January? Because if we did i’d be seriously worried with the mad shit or bust policy.
Think the best we’re going to do is a decent signing for about 6 milion or so and possibly a top end loanee.

But I susoect that when the board show ambition and break our transfer record
Some of our fans won’t be happy and will be relatively underwhelmed with the signing.
It’s always easy to want to spend someone else’s money but there are implications that effect us all.

I'm not negative but the implications of signing a 10million player lead us into dangerous water unless the owners are willing to accept that it doesn't guarantee any thing apart from the rest of the squad wanting a similar contract.That would lead us down the road that pigs and others took or have taken leading to problems Wilder already said he wouldn't put the future of the club in jeapody so it's much of the same of what's gone before just a gradual improvement with the wages under control

 

[mattbianco1]

If we're back to looking at lower league gambles we may as well recall Ched and save some money.

I don't think he's up to it at this level personally, but it's always an option on a gamble.

Who would you attempt to sign?

 

[ekke287]

Who would you attempt to sign?

Sorry mate, I think you've taken some unintentional tone from my post. It's not meant in a negative way or anything, simply stating the facts and my personal opinion on seeing Ched play for us since returning.

We have a L1 standard player in Ched banging them in at the moment, so IF we're looking at L1 players etc, we may as well recall him.

I have no answer as to who we sign, but I don't really have time to look into every possibility. I trust that Wilder and his team do, but as we've seen even the most sought after don't always pay off.

 

[derryblade]

Don't think Evans is the answer, his ship has sailed, notice on the BBC football live text on the Fleetwood match he's only mentioned "Foul by Ched Evans (Fleetwood Town)".

 

[Tom Bott]

We don't need £20 million to get promoted

Have our players gone up in your esteem, only recently you said they were all average ?

 

[mattbianco1]

Sorry mate, I think you've taken some unintentional tone from my post. It's not meant in a negative way or anything, simply stating the facts and my personal opinion on seeing Ched play for us since returning.

We have a L1 standard player in Ched banging them in at the moment, so IF we're looking at L1 players etc, we may as well recall him.

I have no answer as to who we sign, but I don't really have time to look into every possibility. I trust that Wilder and his team do, but as we've seen even the most sought after don't always pay off.

No i was genuinely asking for who you'd target.

 

[Harry's Game]

That was my favourite part, fuckers are still making the price of my groceries rise. On the plus side the roads aren't clogged up by their shit driving and the hotel pools are now offering beer more openly!

One thing I do realise is that it can't be a good thing to have an Arab owner in the long term. I do business with a lot of Arabs and I daresay that many of these could easily buy the Blades and give us a healthy budget. However the way in which they do business would absolutely destroy the values of the club and we have seen that to a limited extent with Abdullah putting his minions on the board and trying to meddle with the footballing side of things. Man City and PSG fans might argue otherwise but I don't think Arabic interest in football clubs is a good thing at all. That said, Russians are nuts, South East Asians are loonies and the Chinese aren't doing a great job either. Bloody foreigners!

What we need is a nice British Business man in charge that Richard Branson looks a decent fella...

....oh hang on...!

 

[ekke287]

No i was genuinely asking for who you'd target.

Ah, sorry buddy.

Like I said, I don't really know. Had my eye on Jack Marriott for a while as I thought he'd do a job for us but obviously he's gone.

I'd still take Joao in a heartbeat as I think CW could get some consistency from him. Again, not lower league though and doubt we could afford what they'd likely be asking + wages per annum.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Have our players gone up in your esteem, only recently you said they were all average ?

Yes, clever clogs. But they make a good team when all working together.
There are many teams with better players than us, but they are not as good a team.
When we got promoted to the Premier League last time under Warnock most Championship teams had better individuals than us
When we got promoted to the top flight under Dave Bassett most teams in the division had better individuals than us.

I know some will say they are better than average because they are professional footballers, they'll make a thousand other excuses as to why they are better than average if measured against everybody from Barcelona down to the Dog & Duck, but in professional football terms our players are average.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Have our players gone up in your esteem, only recently you said they were all average ?

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   That's referred to as a backhanded compliment. So you don't accept that Coutts, Fleck, or Duffy are good players? Further evidence of your own myopic vision.
   
   
   
   
   
   No, they're average, very average in the whole scheme of things
   Not even internationals
   They're the best we've got, which ain't saying much
   
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[Topplayersleave]

Every transfer is a gamble. You can't guarantee anything.

Jordan Rhodes is guaranteed goals yet he was a £10m flop.
Ricky Holmes and Ryan Leonard were chased for months but didn't work out.
Then you have Leon Clarke (£200k) and McGoldrick (free) who are the opposite way around.

Nothing is ever guaranteed, this is where a good manager comes in.
A good manager buys the right player for the style of play required.
If the boardroom won't release the money for the right player, a loan move for the right player should take place.

What a club shouldn't do is fail to obtain their main targets either permanently or on loan and so bring in some random player that fits in with nothing the manager wants to achieve just to appease fans that want to see a signing.

United have been so guilty of just bringing somebody in to appease fans and divert criticism away from themselves, and Woodburn should be the last of this type of signing. Every player coming in should be a first team player capable of ousting Duffy, Sharp, Fleck and Norwood, otherwise don't bother. I'd rather the club used money to run the club than to bring in players that don't fit in with what we try to do on the pitch.
I just knew that James Wilson wasn't going to succeed here, and I also knew that Woodburn wouldn't either. I don't know why, I really can't understand it, but somehow I just knew it.

 

[Harrisblade]

Nothing is ever guaranteed, this is where a good manager comes in.
A good manager buys the right player for the style of play required.
If the boardroom won't release the money for the right player, a loan move for the right player should take place.

What a club shouldn't do is fail to obtain their main targets either permanently or on loan and so bring in some random player that fits in with nothing the manager wants to achieve just to appease fans that want to see a signing.

United have been so guilty of just bringing somebody in to appease fans and divert criticism away from themselves, and Woodburn should be the last of this type of signing. Every player coming in should be a first team player capable of ousting Duffy, Sharp, Fleck and Norwood, otherwise don't bother. I'd rather the club used money to run the club than to bring in players that don't fit in with what we try to do on the pitch.
I just knew that James Wilson wasn't going to succeed here, and I also knew that Woodburn wouldn't either. I don't know why, I really can't understand it, but somehow I just knew it.

Fuck!
Who knew it was so simple!

 

[Davalon]

We don't have a boardroom or ownership that can bring us the success we want. They are well down the pecking order in the wealth stakes.

Wilder is doing incredibly well with what he's got to spend in terms of style and results.

I don't think we need many more players to be genuine contenders but you can't continually pull rabbits out of hats.

The frustration is that maybe 10 million spent could be enough on the right players. Relative small fry for many of our challengers, huge for us.

 

[Tezza1889]

Davalon

Nail on head, it’s there for a relative pittance but the owners are at loggerheads and possibly out of thier depth regarding running a modern football club..

Some team is gonna smell the coffee soon regarding wilder ( forest if they don’t improve ) and due to the unrest our man may just say he’s gone as far as he can.. sadly I see that panning out while the children play in the courtroom for the next year or so.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Fuck!
Who knew it was so simple!

This is why so many fully qualified coaches/managers get the sack when they're wrong, while the real experts go on forever without getting their P45.

 

[Bill Johnson]

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   That's referred to as a backhanded compliment. So you don't accept that Coutts, Fleck, or Duffy are good players? Further evidence of your own myopic vision.
   
   
   
   
   
   No, they're average, very average in the whole scheme of things
   Not even internationals
   They're the best we've got, which ain't saying much
   
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And off he goes again.
Your son and his Chinese pals must be so proud of your full time job of denigrating people posting their opinions on a public football fora.
You must have sponsors to make it a real paying gig.

 

[Bill Johnson]

This is why so many fully qualified coaches/managers get the sack when they're wrong, while the real experts go on forever without getting their P45.

And another one. He's on fire this afternoon.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Sadly I think it's nailed on the best manager we've had in decades in terms of quality of football played and bargain signings that have achieved great heights will end up walking due to the situation between an ego and frankly an unknown.
I'd love to see them both fuck off and sell to someone with ambition that matches Wilders. Nothing whatsoever I have read seen or heard leads me to believe either McCabe or the other come close to that. We have a window of opportunity that is finite. I fear the people who hold our destiny in their hands will fuck up royally.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And off he goes again.
Your son and his Chinese pals must be so proud of your full time job of denigrating people posting their opinions on a public football fora.
You must have sponsors to make it a real paying gig.

You stalking me Bill?

Never said the boy had Chinese pals. Read it again and then it might dawn on you why you're a figure of fun. If you can't read and inwardly digest a couple of paragraphs with no big words, posting may not be for you. Either that or you're another bender.








Of the truth that is.


The other point is of course that you're doing exactly what you accuse me of doing except there's no opinion being critiqued in your posts. Nor is their any wit, although they do come across as laughable, and certainly no wisdom.

 

[Bill Johnson]

You stalking me Bill?

Never said the boy had Chinese pals. Read it again and then it might dawn on you why you're a figure of fun. If you can't read and inwardly digest a couple of paragraphs with no big words, posting may not be for you. Either that or you're another bender.

Lots of words. Lots of insults. Nothing remotely worthwhile or intelligent.
As per.








Of the truth that is.


The other point is of course that you're doing exactly what you accuse me of doing except there's no opinion being critiqued in your posts. Nor is their any wit, although they do come across as laughable, and certainly no wisdom.

 

[Bill Johnson]

You stalking me Bill?

Never said the boy had Chinese pals. Read it again and then it might dawn on you why you're a figure of fun. If you can't read and inwardly digest a couple of paragraphs with no big words, posting may not be for you. Either that or you're another bender.








Of the truth that is.


The other point is of course that you're doing exactly what you accuse me of doing except there's no opinion being critiqued in your posts. Nor is their any wit, although they do come across as laughable, and certainly no wisdom.

I'm not stalking anyone. Just highlighting the fact you have nothing to say beyond stoking your superiority complex.
If you're over the age of 25 which you clearly are you might want to have a little think about whether spending countless hours posting rubbish on a football fora is the best way of spending your life.
You claim a son. Go out and kick a ball around or stuff.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm not stalking anyone. Just highlighting the fact you have nothing to say beyond stoking your superiority complex.
If you're over the age of 25 which you clearly are you might want to have a little think about whether spending countless hours posting rubbish on a football fora is the best way of spending your life.
You claim a son. Go out and kick a ball around or stuff.

Bills forum rules? Nah.


Your inability to read something or deliberate misrepresentation of it isn't my fault, so it's no good getting at me for it. If you got your facts right it wouldn't happen.

Oh it's"forum". Singular.

See, some of my posts are worthwhile.

 

[Sean Thornton]

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

When the rich benefactor moves onto their next project what are you left with?!

No idea, both Chelsea and City have their owners still in place.

 

[Harrisblade]

Sadly I think it's nailed on the best manager we've had in decades in terms of quality of football played and bargain signings that have achieved great heights will end up walking due to the situation between an ego and frankly an unknown.
I'd love to see them both fuck off and sell to someone with ambition that matches Wilders. Nothing whatsoever I have read seen or heard leads me to believe either McCabe or the other come close to that. We have a window of opportunity that is finite. I fear the people who hold our destiny in their hands will fuck up royally.

If a potential new owner came in with some real cash and the ambition, do you think that either of our 2 co-owners would hesitate for a second in unloading the present impasse?

 

[Houston_Blade]

No idea, both Chelsea and City have their owners still in place.

Abramovich is probably the exception, the city chap will get fed up sooner or later, or he’ll get old and his son will take over.

The chances of us attracting Emirati royalty or a Russian Oligarch are fairly slim as well, we’re looking at 2nd rate foreign nut jobs like Chansiri and Suen.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Before the Stoke game, Wilder was asked by that new presenter on FH, you know, the one who asks lots of questions,

"Could Stoke be the model for a club like Sheffield United?"

He was referring to the fact that Stoke are not a "big" club (in his perception) but had spent the past 10 years in the top flight of English football.

I thought Chris's response was very interesting...he said...

"A lot needs to happen off the pitch for that to happen"

He turned this into a general comment, rather than a comment specifically about Sheffield United. He talked about other clubs "like your Bournemouth's and your Swansea's" (I thought there was only one Bournemouth and one Swansea?). But, apart from his confusing use of plurals, what he was saying was very clear to me...You need the whole club to be pulling in the same direction to have any chance of that - and - you need them upstairs to be prepared to invest in the team to have a chance of getting there and staying there.

I then started to think about the present situation we have with The Prince and McCabe. That seems to have gone very quiet doesn't it? Or have I missed something? The last thing I read, The Prince was calling McCabe a "dog". I thought about that this week after reading about the Khashoggi murder. It was said that one of the ring leaders in the Khashoggi case called for the hit squad to, "bring me the head of the dog".

These Arab chappies are fond of calling people "dogs" when they don't like them aren't they? I remember reading such curses as "infidel dogs" in comic strips as a child. It was usually spouted at the archetypal white soldier by some beardy Arab bloke with a tea towel on his head and a scimitar in his hand. For sure though, it's not a sign of good relations when an Arab calls you "a dog".

Whether this has got anything to do with McCabe talking about, "When the big dog comes knocking" I've really no idea? But that's another thing altogether.

The main thing I took from what Wilder said was that it's far too early to be confident that Sheffield United could get themselves into a Stoke-like situation. In fact, he even spoke of his target for this season as being 50 points - I'm pretty sure it isn't. But, I can understand why he might want to diffuse conversations about being a top tier club.

He's doing everything he can, on very modest resources, to try and get us there. But it must seem like a strange task at times, because he's leading us to a place where we have absolutely no chance of surviving whilever the current boardroom impasse continues.

Kelb!

 

[Ceasefire]

The difference between the two clubs in ownership terms is huge.

Going back to the late eighties, Peter Coates took over the club. He wasn’t hugely wealthy, he made his money from a few local betting shops and a company that supplied catering to football clubs. He sold out to an Icelandic consortium and then about 8 years later, bought the club back again.

He wasn’t hugely popular and I have friends who said they’d never set foot in the ground while he was chairman. He still wasn’t hugely rich, but his daughter had spotted the potential of online betting very early. He told her to get on with it, fast forward to 2018, the family are billionaires and he’s bankrolled 10 years in the Premier. My friends swallowed their pride and got season tickets and as a local resident while this was happening, I hated every minute of it.

What the clayheads have is a complete unity of purpose at board level and I imagine this is what Chris is referring to.

 

[Ceasefire]

Spot on Nigel, couldn't have put it better myself. Hope all is well in Dilhorne.

 

[Pinchy]

If a potential new owner came in with some real cash and the ambition, do you think that either of our 2 co-owners would hesitate for a second in unloading the present impasse?

What happened to that queue snaking twice around the car park?