Loyalty points

[Northyorksblade]

CarlingBlade needs to over double his Bladeyness to get anywhere near

Massive then, oops humongous then.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If people have regularly attended for 10 years, and continue to do so, bringing in a rolling 5 year scheme won't make a difference but if they stop going for 1 year, 2 years, their points would reduce which is arguably fairer ?

The problem you have is that, as it stands, someone who got their 1st season ticket in the Prem but has not been since the Huddersfield play-off fiasco gets preference over someone who has had one for the last 5 years. How should 'loyalty' apply there ?

Well it's pretty much the same I think. Plus anyone attending away games in the last five years may have more. But that doesn't cover the issue of someone having an ST for all of that period losing maybe half of their points.

The real issue is youngsters getting on the ladder. My son is 18. Has well over 40000 points. Nowhere near the top of the pile, but enough for the majority of away games.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Well it's pretty much the same I think. Plus anyone attending away games in the last five years may have more. But that doesn't cover the issue of someone having an ST for all of that period losing maybe half of their points.

The real issue is youngsters getting on the ladder. My son is 18. Has well over 40000 points. Nowhere near the top of the pile, but enough for the majority of away games.

Bottom line is there's no easy way, I potentially get more points for travelling round the corner to Fleetwood than I would for a home game for example. Effort v points doesn't work home/away either although you'd expect the majority of home fans to be local I guess.

Devil's advocate, you say your son is nowhere near the top of the pile but he's still considered more loyal than the majority of our ticket buying fans, makes no sense really does it

 

[CarlingBlade]

CarlingBlade needs to over double his Bladeyness to get anywhere near

Damn you, my Bladeyness has well and truly deminished

 

[MobileBlade]

I have 250 points because although I usually go to 5-6 games per season I don't do it through my official account. A mate buys em and I give him the money.

NOT FAIR I TELLS THEE

But given it is only one ticket per membership number then he must be using somebody's membership to buy your ticket. Use that one!

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

This answers the age-old question of “Are the dead counted in attendance figures?”

Based on this, and my earlier post, the answer would appear to be “Yes”.

Well, I have it on good authority that, just last week, at least 2,000 dead were counted in the attendance at Blackburn.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I've got 34500 loyalty points, does that make me the biggest Blade

Nope. There’s no bigger Blade than our Uncle Kev and he’s got zero loyalty points.

I’ve got close to 50,000. I am an old fart. I’ll be dead soon anyhow, like a lot of folks at the top end of the loyalty point scheme, so your turn will come sonny! Keep going to the games and one day you might have one as big as mine!

 

[CarlingBlade]

Nope. There’s no bigger Blade than our Uncle Kev and he’s got zero loyalty points.

I’ve got close to 50,000. I am an old fart. I’ll be dead soon anyhow, like a lot of folks at the top end of the loyalty point scheme, so your turn will come sonny! Keep going to the games and one day you might have one as big as mine!

I'm 41, hopefully i'll make it to 50k loyalty points

 

[LondonBlade89]

As per usual I'm not bringing anything new to the discussion but I just wanted to add myself into the group of people who've been to a tonne of away games all over the place using others' customer numbers / membership and so have nothing to show for it. Serves me right, I suppose. But it seems near impossible to build up loyalty points unless you get a season ticket.

My uncle, who was a season ticket holder with about 35k points, passed away just under a year ago. He'd have definitely wanted me to use his customer number but I can't bring myself to yet. Nothing against anyone else who does do it. Maybe it's something I just need to get over. I'm trying to make a concerted effort to use my own customer number for games where I know I'll have no trouble get a ticket, like a Millwall or Reading away, but I'll never get to Swillsborough.

 

[ghandi]

Absolutely. The bulk of my loyalty points are from the 2007/08 to 2009/10 season when I had a season ticket. I’ve not had one since, and while I have been to a reasonable number of games in the years since, the reality is that I’ve probably got a similar number of customer points to someone that’s attended everything the last three seasons. I don’t think I should have equal status for ticket purchasing – I’d be fully supportive of us deciding a cut-off point where you essentially get rid of old points, even though I fully accept it’ll reduce the ease I have of getting tickets. 10 years seems wholly reasonable at the very least – there’s an argument 5 years would be far better for reflecting recent loyalty rather than past loyalty.

Why should recent loyalty be rewarded in front of previous loyalty. The reasons people don't attend as much in recent times are many and varied such as moving away from the area, suffering health issues. financial problems etc.
No system will suit everyone just leave the systems as it is.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm 41, hopefully i'll make it to 50k loyalty points

Fifteen years and that'll get you tickets on day 7

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I'm 41, hopefully i'll make it to 50k loyalty points

Just a whippersnapper yer Carling! But hope you do mate! I wish a million loyalty points on all loyal Blades, but I bet they change the system at some point in the future and and give preference to LGBTXYZ;@£&///poly molecule transgender*%#}!!$¥ supporters instead.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Why should recent loyalty be rewarded in front of previous loyalty. The reasons people don't attend as much in recent times are many and varied such as moving away from the area, suffering health issues. financial problems etc.
No system will suit everyone just leave the systems as it is.

We’re talking relatively recent though, and to be honest there will never be a system perfectly set up for all – but if you have to make decisions on who to give priority to somehow, this way would on the balance of things make it a fairer system than it is currently in my view. I already think it’s unfair to a lot of younger fans, and the issue of not archiving past points is only going to be exacerbated the longer it’s left untouched. There will be loads of guys 30 plus that will have been to a Sheffield derby at Hillsborough in their lifetime, yet we have a system designed in a way that makes it increasingly more difficult for future fans to have that experience. What’s frustrating is that it’s also set up in a way that allows people that say refused to watch us at all in League 1 (by choice) retain their loyalty point advantage over much younger fans that did so. That doesn’t feel right.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We’re talking relatively recent though, and to be honest there will never be a system perfectly set up for all – but if you have to make decisions on who to give priority to somehow, this way would on the balance of things make it a fairer system than it is currently in my view. I already think it’s unfair to a lot of younger fans, and the issue of not archiving past points is only going to be exacerbated the longer it’s left untouched. There will be loads of guys 30 plus that will have been to a Sheffield derby at Hillsborough in their lifetime, yet we have a system designed in a way that makes it increasingly more difficult for future fans to have that experience. What’s frustrating is that it’s also set up in a way that allows people that say refused to watch us at all in League 1 (by choice) retain their loyalty point advantage over much younger fans that did so. That doesn’t feel right.

Your last point us the main issue for me. Someone with 30000 plus points from the last six seasons should have priority over someone with the same points from the six seasons before that and very few since.

 

[Rodders]

Your last point us the main issue for me. Someone with 30000 plus points from the last six seasons should have priority over someone with the same points from the six seasons before that and very few since.

I think the fairest thing is a rolling, say, 7 or 10 year period. If you are a consistently loyal Blade (e.g 10-15 games a season let’s say) then you’ll always be in with a shout of gettting tickets, and if you have 2/3 years where you dip out then there might be a few away games you might not manage to be eligible for but it’s the fairest way of spreading it out.
My fear with the current system is that over time, the percentage of people able to get tickets for away games before they sell out will get lower and the younger Blades will find it harder to be able to go (away games any way)

 

[Sheepstone]

I've posted this suggestion before

I think a fair way of running the LP system is to have all points decrease in value after a period of time, but not lose value altogether. Say at a rate of 25% after 10 years, then 5% per year after that.

This still rewards the long faithful fans, but also lets newer (just as) faithful fans to have at least a chance of catching up. Those long standing fans will still be at the top as long as they are still regularly attending.

As it is, those with points are the only ones who will ever be able to get tickets and further open the points gap. Especially when some of those accounts are for deceased people, or people getting points without going because they let their mate use them.

Anyone who keeps using their mates points instead of building their own are only to blame if they don't have their own points and the system alters in the future and starts requesting ID's.

 

[Topplayersleave]

What happens to young uns wanting to get away tickets? Are you goosed unless you’ve got 10 years plus of loyalty points?

Yep
Away attendances are way down and have been since our loyalty points system was introduced. Dad's can't go with sons and Grandsons, mates can't go with other mates
We're not Man United, just get a big allocation in the first place and get the fuckers sold instead of asking for 1500 and then spending a week and a half waiting for highest loyalty points holders to claim them leaving no time to apply a further allocation.

 

[Foxy]

Yep
Away attendances are way down and have been since our loyalty points system was introduced. Dad's can't go with sons and Grandsons, mates can't go with other mates
We're not Man United, just get a big allocation in the first place and get the fuckers sold instead of asking for 1500 and then spending a week and a half waiting for highest loyalty points holders to claim them leaving no time to apply a further allocation.

If we don't sell out there is absolutely no excuse, loyalty points doesn't stop us selling out in the slightest.

 

[Topplayersleave]

If we don't sell out there is absolutely no excuse, loyalty points doesn't stop us selling out in the slightest.

No, it doesn't stop us selling smaller allocations, but there are many stadiums like Blackburn and Bolton where we've just been, Wigan, Preston etc where much bigger allocations could be given to us, all the fans need is more time to obtain a ticket and make plans, and they can't do that under the current system