CONFIRMED Scott Hogan

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Did I say that?

I don't recall ever saying that Clarke and Sharp are the perfect front two.

What I did say is that Clarke brings much more to the team than just goals but some people are just far too prejudiced against him to ever notice this.

Are there better options out there?

Most definitely.

Can we afford them?

Probably not.

Is Scott Hogan the answer?

I don't think so.

Is that all clear or would you like to have another go at telling me what I think?

Oooooooohhhh, arsie response for a nothing comment. Maybe we should just be really positive and see only the good in our team that is already good enough to win the league and go top 6 in the PL. there, is that positive enough?

All positive?
Are there better options out there?

Most definitely.


Can we afford them?


Probably not.


I take it you missed that bit.

Sarcasm is a very defensive mechanism usually employed when you have no constructive counter argument to put forward.

No doubt you will continue your ongoing assassination of Leons' contribution to the team because that's your principal agenda, but please don't start shouting at me because that will be the other sure sign that you have lost the debate.
 

All positive?
Are there better options out there?

Most definitely.


Can we afford them?


Probably not.


I take it you missed that bit.

Sarcasm is a very defensive mechanism usually employed when you have no constructive counter argument to put forward.

No doubt you will continue your ongoing assassination of Leons' contribution to the team because that's your principal agenda, but please don't start shouting at me because that will be the other sure sign that you have lost the debate.
Jesus, did a wasp crawl up yer vest, all I said was that halibut was good enough for Jehovah :eek:
 
I knew very little about Hogan. I’ve now seen his Brentford goals reel. He’s good; very good. Quick, alert, intelligent, takes up great positions instinctively and keeps his cool. He scores the sort of goals that we don’t. He’s significantly different to Sharp.

If, and it’s a very big if, he can get fully fit, I now understand why he’s Tufty’s number one choice.

Aren’t you on record on here criticising armchair managers who suggest players on back of showreels?
 
Aren’t you on record on here criticising armchair managers who suggest players on back of showreels?
I dont think he has actually suggested him buddy, just says he can see why we might want him ?
 
Aren’t you on record on here criticising armchair managers who suggest players on back of showreels?

Absolutely Les. The minor difference is I’m not suggesting him and wouldn’t have had a look if I already knew owt about him. You can see quite a lot about Hogan on there and it’s impressive.

Point taken, though. Hoist by own petard. :(
 
I always remember Gannon as a bit of a scapegoat. In fact, when I say his name, its in an exasperated “Gaanneern,” (as a joke to my mate, whenever it goes wrong on set pieces now) Quick free kicks into the defenders legs, short corners, no doubt he was an excellent player, and I probably noticed him at the end of his career, or when he was in a bad patch. It was a long time ago!
 
I always remember Gannon as a bit of a scapegoat. In fact, when I say his name, its in an exasperated “Gaanneern,” (as a joke to my mate, whenever it goes wrong on set pieces now) Quick free kicks into the defenders legs, short corners, no doubt he was an excellent player, and I probably noticed him at the end of his career, or when he was in a bad patch. It was a long time ago!

He was very limited. Slow, painfully slow with no second gear and with the turning circle of an ocean liner.

He stood out in the team of the day because he had a moderate idea of how to pass to a team-mate and a slight inclination to actually do so. He was decent on set-pieces as evidenced on Bobby Davison night at the Sty. He also scored a belter at Forest. Not sure how many more he got but it’s very few.
 
He was very limited. Slow, painfully slow with no second gear and with the turning circle of an ocean liner.

He stood out in the team of the day because he had a moderate idea of how to pass to a team-mate and a slight inclination to actually do so. He was decent on set-pieces as evidenced on Bobby Davison night at the Sty. He also scored a belter at Forest. Not sure how many more he got but it’s very few.

Yes, it was a long time ago, and I was quite young, maybe the frustration from the crowd was from them expecting him to do more as a flair player in a poor team.
 

He was very limited. Slow, painfully slow with no second gear and with the turning circle of an ocean liner.

He stood out in the team of the day because he had a moderate idea of how to pass to a team-mate and a slight inclination to actually do so. He was decent on set-pieces as evidenced on Bobby Davison night at the Sty. He also scored a belter at Forest. Not sure how many more he got but it’s very few.

Belter with his “wrong” foot too !
 
Ah Johnny Gannon. Regularly mentioned alongside the likes of Brian Gayle and Jamie Hoyland by a few in their shit Blades teams of all time.

All 3 played in the best United team of the last 40 plus years.
 
The hoof never suited Gannon. Was bypassed most of the game.
 
A modern target man doesn't have to be tall or particularly good in the air, but if he has them attribute in his locker - the more the better.The archetypal examples of this are: Costa, Drogba, Aguero, Lewandovski (particularly at Dortmund) and Ibrahimovic (particularly at Barcelona).The main skills that are needed are: comfort on the ball when it is played into feet, and the ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. If the striker has the ability to run beyond, and score goals with his head even better. This type of striker has continued to develop.
We can now see the likes of Messi, Firminho, Arnautovic playing this role in a different way. Rather than running beyond the back line, or scoring many goals with their head, they play more like link men. They let the wide players take responsibility for running beyond the back line and they move deeper setting up the moves that break the line. Essentially midfield overloads.The obvious example at the minute is Firminho. He plays the role as creater, despite ostensibily being the furthest man forward. He actually plays a more offensive role out of possession - with his role in the high press. When Liverpool are leading in games, they often swap Salah and Firminho's roles: Salah plays on the last line of the defence in the centre of the three (Firminho's role).Completely different to what Firminho does when they are not in front in games, but ostensibly the same role.The reason is to help benefit from the counter attack, when the lead is obtained using out and out pace down the centre as the weapon of choice.
As for Hogan, I've seen him play a dozen times down the years.He's a small but squat individual. Not disimilar to Sharp in this respect.He's quite strong and good with his back to goal when the ball is played into him on the ground. His link play is very good, and suits small neat interplay with skillful midfielders/strikers. He also likes to play on the last line of the defence looking for the through ball. He will annoy United fans with the amount of times he gets caught offside, but will score goals with the quality we have from midfield.When he times his run correctly, it will often result in a goalscoring chance. My concerns are his injury record, and whether he has lost the explosiveness he had pre injury. Not whether he will suit the style of play.
 
As for Hogan, I've seen him play a dozen times down the years.He's a small but squat individual. Not disimilar to Sharp in this respect.

This is confusing the hell out of me. Where are we intending to strengthen in the last 1/3? Are we looking to replace Sharp or provide competition for Leon? Is McGoldrick Leon's competition? Is sharp fighting for his place because he's past it?

And when Freeman arrives who we gonna drop? (Oooops shouldn't suggest that).

Just don't get going all out on Hogan, that said I know nowt about football, been watching united to long.
 
This is confusing the hell out of me. Where are we intending to strengthen in the last 1/3? Are we looking to replace Sharp or provide competition for Leon? Is McGoldrick Leon's competition? Is sharp fighting for his place because he's past it?

And when Freeman arrives who we gonna drop? (Oooops shouldn't suggest that).

Just don't get going all out on Hogan, that said I know nowt about football, been watching united to long.

The weird thing about Sharp is that despite his stature he plays the game quite like a target man. You're more likely to see him with his back to goal than running towards it. More likely to see him close to the midfield than playing on the last line of the defence. He runs the channels well for us at times, but I always feel that he wants to be in between the posts in the centre of the goal.He's doing this because he has to; due to the partner he has. I always thought it is difficult to get an ideal partner for Sharp because he plays the game like a small target man. I think Hogan can play with either Sharp or Clarke . Hogan will play closer to the last line of the defence. Clarke and Sharp will do the donkey work, with the back to goal during the build up play.McGoldrick is the classic link player. How many times was he facing the opposition goal on Saturday? Once, and we know what happened there.United have an abundance of this type of player.Players that will run in behind...
 
Some games Sharp holds the ball up brilliantly, in others it just doesn't stick at all.
Saying that, Leon is the same.
 
The weird thing about Sharp is that despite his stature he plays the game quite like a target man. You're more likely to see him with his back to goal than running towards it. More likely to see him close to the midfield than playing on the last line of the defence. He runs the channels well for us at times, but I always feel that he wants to be in between the posts in the centre of the goal.He's doing this because he has to; due to the partner he has. I always thought it is difficult to get an ideal partner for Sharp because he plays the game like a small target man. I think Hogan can play with either Sharp or Clarke . Hogan will play closer to the last line of the defence. Clarke and Sharp will do the donkey work, with the back to goal during the build up play.McGoldrick is the classic link player. How many times was he facing the opposition goal on Saturday? Once, and we know what happened there.United have an abundance of this type of player.Players that will run in behind...
totally agree. Watching the thread with his compilation and 90%(ish) were of him scoring from the turf between the 2 posts. I always get wound up when he has to go out on the wings or deep into midfield but you make a good point about him being a small target man.
 
A modern target man doesn't have to be tall or particularly good in the air, but if he has them attribute in his locker - the more the better.The archetypal examples of this are: Costa, Drogba, Aguero, Lewandovski (particularly at Dortmund) and Ibrahimovic (particularly at Barcelona).The main skills that are needed are: comfort on the ball when it is played into feet, and the ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. If the striker has the ability to run beyond, and score goals with his head even better. This type of striker has continued to develop.
We can now see the likes of Messi, Firminho, Arnautovic playing this role in a different way. Rather than running beyond the back line, or scoring many goals with their head, they play more like link men. They let the wide players take responsibility for running beyond the back line and they move deeper setting up the moves that break the line. Essentially midfield overloads.The obvious example at the minute is Firminho. He plays the role as creater, despite ostensibily being the furthest man forward. He actually plays a more offensive role out of possession - with his role in the high press. When Liverpool are leading in games, they often swap Salah and Firminho's roles: Salah plays on the last line of the defence in the centre of the three (Firminho's role).Completely different to what Firminho does when they are not in front in games, but ostensibly the same role.The reason is to help benefit from the counter attack, when the lead is obtained using out and out pace down the centre as the weapon of choice.
As for Hogan, I've seen him play a dozen times down the years.He's a small but squat individual. Not disimilar to Sharp in this respect.He's quite strong and good with his back to goal when the ball is played into him on the ground. His link play is very good, and suits small neat interplay with skillful midfielders/strikers. He also likes to play on the last line of the defence looking for the through ball. He will annoy United fans with the amount of times he gets caught offside, but will score goals with the quality we have from midfield.When he times his run correctly, it will often result in a goalscoring chance. My concerns are his injury record, and whether he has lost the explosiveness he had pre injury. Not whether he will suit the style of play.


Your article is well written and gives an in depth analysis of Hogan apart from the contradictory last sentence
 

Your article is well written and gives an in depth analysis of Hogan apart from the contradictory last sentence

Thanks. Contradictory? If you mean the comparison with Sharp, the big difference is Hogan can play on the shoulder facing the goal.A big difference. We don't having any player that does that, not even a midfielder who runs the other side of the strikers (jury still out on Woodburn).I think we're missing this type of striker and that player would thrive in our system. It would also give the midfielders space to inflict even more damage, as the opposition would be wary of runs in behind.The way to contain us at the minute is to play a high line, congest the midfield, and force us to go down our left hand side. There is a limited counter attacking threat, and the chance of a goal from a run in behind are small.When you counter us: attack the space in between the wing backs and the right sided and left sided center backs. Ideally play 4-3-3 and leave two pacy wide players in these positions ala Swansea.We're not that far away from being an exceptional side at this level imo.
 

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