Incoming? No Permanents Signings before Deadline Day

[sufcboy95]

Missing out on jack Marriott for £4m will prove to be a massive mistake. His wages would’ve fit in our structure.

 

[Ricky]

Missing out on jack Marriott for £4m will prove to be a massive mistake. His wages would’ve fit in our structure.

Ignoring Adam Armstrong for a measly £1.75m is an even bigger mistake and probably the biggest transfer annoyance of mine since Wilder took over.

If we want some more mistakes/misses though, how about these...

Martyn Waghorn - 400k from Rangers, 2017
Jake Cooper - 300k from Reading, 2017
George Saville - 500k from Wolves, 2017
Jack Marriott - 400k from Luton, 2017

£1.6m.

They're 'worth' around £20m in total now. About £5m each.

All players I'm certain we considered too.

 

[Luke1993]

Ignoring Adam Armstrong for a measly £1.75m is an even bigger mistake and probably the biggest transfer annoyance of mine since Wilder took over.

If we want some more mistakes/misses though, how about these...

Martyn Waghorn - 400k from Rangers, 2017
Jake Cooper - 300k from Reading, 2017
George Saville - 500k from Wolves, 2017
Jack Marriott - 400k from Luton, 2017

£1.6m.

They're 'worth' around £20m in total now. About £5m each.

All players I'm certain we considered too.

Marriott and waghorn yes, but we have joc and fleck who are worth about £10m each instead of saville and cooper. Not all bad is it

 

[Ricky]

Marriott and waghorn yes, but we have joc and fleck who are worth about £10m each instead of saville and cooper. Not all bad is it

It's possible Sharp, Fleck and O'Connell stopped us from going for Waghorn/Marriott, Saville and Cooper.

The left footed similarities exist between Cooper/Saville and O'Connell/Fleck but they could have played together and Saville would've been a better bet than Leonard or Lundstram, by a long way. I suppose Cooper would've been instead of Stearman.

As you say though, we've done well with JOC and Fleck. If we can make a couple of signings like them every 2 years or so that'd be super.

 

[Luke1993]

It's possible Sharp, Fleck and O'Connell stopped us from going for Waghorn/Marriott, Saville and Cooper.

The left footed similarities exist between Cooper/Saville and O'Connell/Fleck but they could have played together and Saville would've been a better bet than Leonard or Lundstram, by a long way. I suppose Cooper would've been instead of Stearman.

As you say though, we've done well with JOC and Fleck. If we can make a couple of signings like them every 2 years or so that'd be super.

It's all hindsight though isn't it. Leonard was rated one of, if not the best midfielder in league 1, he might come good he might not. It's the thing with young lower level players, half Will be good, half won't, you've just got to scout extensively and hope you get more of the 50% that will be good. Coaching etc helps as well.

 

[robbiez666]

It's all hindsight though isn't it. Leonard was rated one of, if not the best midfielder in league 1, he might come good he might not. It's the thing with young lower level players, half Will be good, half won't, you've just got to scout extensively and hope you get more of the 50% that will be good. Coaching etc helps as well.

But that's scouting.

Last season's signings:

Stearman
L Evans
Lundstram
C. Evans
Leonard
Baldock
Holmes
Heneghan
Thomas
Stevens
Donaldson
Blackman
Wilson
CCV

You're looking a few million there. 3-5, possibly. Hard to tell with undisclosed nonsense. Not exactly a glowing triumph.

 

[Luke1993]

But that's scouting.

Last season's signings:

Stearman
L Evans
Lundstram
C. Evans
Leonard
Baldock
Holmes
Heneghan
Thomas
Stevens
Donaldson
Blackman
Wilson
CCV

You're looking a few million there. 3-5, possibly. Hard to tell with undisclosed nonsense. Not exactly a glowing triumph.

But of the young lower level players, blackman yes, baldock yes, Leonard don't know, evans and lundstrum, I think they can play but not together. Thomas and heneghan, didn't play but that suggests a no. So 7 all together 2 yes 2 no and 3 maybes? So about 50% ish

 

[Silent Blade]

Ignoring Adam Armstrong for a measly £1.75m is an even bigger mistake and probably the biggest transfer annoyance of mine since Wilder took over.

If we want some more mistakes/misses though, how about these...

Martyn Waghorn - 400k from Rangers, 2017
Jake Cooper - 300k from Reading, 2017
George Saville - 500k from Wolves, 2017
Jack Marriott - 400k from Luton, 2017

£1.6m.

They're 'worth' around £20m in total now. About £5m each.

All players I'm certain we considered too.

Isnt hindsight wonderful?

 

[SuperDuperBlades]

I hope he was just chucking his toys out of the pram (again) and that there is still hope.

He will have failed, badly, in the market if he doesn’t bring in a younger striker.

Like last time and the time before that

 

[Roygbiv]

But that's scouting.

Last season's signings:

Stearman
L Evans
Lundstram
C. Evans
Leonard
Baldock
Holmes
Heneghan
Thomas
Stevens
Donaldson
Blackman
Wilson
CCV

You're looking a few million there. 3-5, possibly. Hard to tell with undisclosed nonsense. Not exactly a glowing triumph.

It really has been poor recruitment since we got promoted. Wages have dictated to a big degree but so far only Baldock and Blackman have been a genuine success from that list.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I think he has given up

I've considered this over the past 18 hours of depression - Wilder is good at deflecting the blame and its easy for him to walk away while the ownership issue continues, I can honestly see why he considered Sunderland he's a very good league one manager (and we know about league one managers as we had a few).

In my opinion he's yet to be proven in the Championship, this isn't based on the first two games, but more so on our general lack of consistency and his tactical sense when we faced some of the tougher teams last season during our bad patch. We have gone down without a fight in quite a lot of games now and his inability to replace Coutts which we have all identified as the turning point of our season.

Also how many seasons now have we been looking for a quality striker? Again we're yet to sign one that excites us, this time last year we were linked with Sinclair and Donaldson therefore that's what Wilder thought we needed. This season we have released Donaldson and replaced with McGoldrick, but surely we're still in need of that striker with electric pace offering something different?

I just don't get him at the moment and I type this with gritted teeth as I love the bloke and what he's done for us!

 

[Rob86]

I've considered this over the past 18 hours of depression - Wilder is good at deflecting the blame and its easy for him to walk away while the ownership issue continues, I can honestly see why he considered Sunderland he's a very good league one manager (and we know about league one managers as we had a few).

In my opinion he's yet to be proven in the Championship, this isn't based on the first two games, but more so on our general lack of consistency and his tactical sense when we faced some of the tougher teams last season during our bad patch. We have gone down without a fight in quite a lot of games now and his inability to replace Coutts which we have all identified as the turning point of our season.

Also how many seasons now have we been looking for a quality striker? Again we're yet to sign one that excites us, this time last year we were linked with Sinclair and Donaldson therefore that's what Wilder thought we needed. This season we have released Donaldson and replaced with McGoldrick, but surely we're still in need of that striker with electric pace offering something different?

I just don't get him at the moment and I type this with gritted teeth as I love the bloke and what he's done for us!

Perfectly reasonable comments. The man has transformed the club, never mind the team and it does feel bad to question him.

But, as with all companies who analyse risk, our forward line has been of concern from the beginning of last season for me. It did well, but was not far off retirement. A risk that became more prevalent as the season went on. Plus our 3-5-2 was becoming so ineffective we became a bore to watch and vulnerable to conceding goals.

It is not as easy to resolve the forward line due to £££s but we could have got some bodies in surely, but he’s obviously worried about wages.

I may be speaking out of turn, and this is pure speculation, but I suspect he is not comfortable with a player earning close or more to what he earns and this may have resulted in the failed transfers.

 

[Blade56]

It really has been poor recruitment since we got promoted

Same mistake when we got to PL, lack of upping the quality and adapting. Let's hope sense has been seen and if the 1p is right there's about to be a mind set change for CW and the club.
Our bright start last season could have made the management and owners think CW could do it on a shoestring, then we got found out.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Problem as I see it, is we seem to be after a particular type of striker, a hard working, strong, physical player.
And the likes of Bradshaw just don’t fit with that .
Not saying I agree with that, but I can see where we are coming from.
We look weak up front when trying to play a particular way, we are just too easy to defend against when we want the ball held up too or driven forwards.
In good possession we are fine, it’s when we are under pressure and looking to break we are nowhere near good enough.

 

[Weasel]

We need pace up front.

 

[Blade56]

Problem as I see it, is we seem to be after a particular type of striker, a hard working, strong, physical player.
And the likes of Bradshaw just don’t fit with that .
Not saying I agree with that, but I can see where we are coming from.
We look weak up front when trying to play a particular way, we are just too easy to defend against when we want the ball held up too or driven forwards.
In good possession we are fine, it’s when we are under pressure and looking to break we are nowhere near good enough.

Might be a change of playing style on the books if reports about Juanpi has any legs, who else was on the plane?

 

[FriethBlade]

Most lines of work have people who earn more than others and it's typically those that generate the most revenue. A 30 goal a season striker is going to put an extra few thousand on the gate and get you promotion and as such will demand more money than a centre half or right back. Wage parity doesn't work in football.

 

[SUFC Guy]

But that's scouting.

Last season's signings:

Stearman
L Evans
Lundstram
C. Evans
Leonard
Baldock
Holmes
Heneghan
Thomas
Stevens
Donaldson
Blackman
Wilson
CCV

You're looking a few million there. 3-5, possibly. Hard to tell with undisclosed nonsense. Not exactly a glowing triumph.

Without being negative that squad got us to a decent position in the Championship. Now it's time to move on to the next phase. The remainder of those players will gradually go over the next couple of years. Budgets determine squad strengths and our budget and squad will grow year on year. Look to the future instead of dwelling on the past.

UTMB

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Ignoring Adam Armstrong for a measly £1.75m is an even bigger mistake and probably the biggest transfer annoyance of mine since Wilder took over.

If we want some more mistakes/misses though, how about these...

Martyn Waghorn - 400k from Rangers, 2017
Jake Cooper - 300k from Reading, 2017
George Saville - 500k from Wolves, 2017
Jack Marriott - 400k from Luton, 2017

£1.6m.

They're 'worth' around £20m in total now. About £5m each.

All players I'm certain we considered too.

Our club dont play Monopoly.

 

[DronnieBlade]

We'll get Donaldson part deux. Fast, but with legs that last 15 games. Under £100K.

It's probably the least of our worries. I'm more worried that we've spent money at the back, kept our team together, and that they've all turned to mush in the summer break.

Look like they've never played football.

So D McG then !!

UTB

 

[Liaminho9]

Missing out on jack Marriott for £4m will prove to be a massive mistake. His wages would’ve fit in our structure.

But they wouldn’t have. Because Derby bid as well, and would’ve just offered more than we would.

 

[TONY_TONY_AGANA]

'No Permanents Signings before Deadline Day'

But Juanpi?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

'No Permanents Signings before Deadline Day'

But Juanpi?

If you want to be pedantic there haven’t been since he said it but on deadline day???

 

[Espania blade]

I've considered this over the past 18 hours of depression - Wilder is good at deflecting the blame and its easy for him to walk away while the ownership issue continues, I can honestly see why he considered Sunderland he's a very good league one manager (and we know about league one managers as we had a few).

In my opinion he's yet to be proven in the Championship, this isn't based on the first two games, but more so on our general lack of consistency and his tactical sense when we faced some of the tougher teams last season during our bad patch. We have gone down without a fight in quite a lot of games now and his inability to replace Coutts which we have all identified as the turning point of our season.

Also how many seasons now have we been looking for a quality striker? Again we're yet to sign one that excites us, this time last year we were linked with Sinclair and Donaldson therefore that's what Wilder thought we needed. This season we have released Donaldson and replaced with McGoldrick, but surely we're still in need of that striker with electric pace offering something different?

I just don't get him at the moment and I type this with gritted teeth as I love the bloke and what he's done for us!

I think the jury is out as to whether he can take us the next level. We are not the only club with limited resources, he needs to stop banging on about it for me, I'm sure we have all worked for companies that have had bigger players in the market, the ambition is to beat them by applying your own skills.
He's also looking like a Nigel Clough with a bloated and unbalanced squad and that is down to him not the owners.
I still have faith in him but as we all know patience with some of our supporters will only go so far,
And that applies to the owners also, I sincerely hope things get better in the coming months or things could easily go tits up.

UTB

 

[loyalblade95]

How do you go from 4 bids on a Monday to then saying

"We identified a target that would make us better, we were 3rd favourites and missed out on him and we cant see anyone else that will improve us"

Well who the hell were these four players we bid on?

He also states he doesn't want to take a punt on league one / two players - I'm sorry but there's some really good gems within those leagues, some of our best players were signed from that division, some of the best players in the league are from that league. It completely contradicts what he's previously said that "we're not snobs and we dont mind where we sign our players from"

Bids don't necessarily mean buying players you also have loan bids

 

[BLADES1988]

Kayden Jackson gone to Ipshit, FFS why arnt we buying a FU***** striker

 

[S5Blade]

Kayden Jackson gone to Ipshit, FFS why arnt we buying a FU***** striker

What gave it away? Was it the title of the thread, the fact wilder said we were not buying anyone, or just a general gut feeling?

Also, who the fuck is Kayden Jackson? Mick's brother?

 

[BLADES1988]

What gave it away? Was it the title of the thread, the fact wilder said we were not buying anyone, or just a general gut feeling?

Also, who the fuck is Kayden Jackson? Mick's brother?

Isn't this forum designed just to moan about stuff? does it matter who he is? the fact is that we have shown zero zilch nada desire to sign attainable strikers that will improve our ability to score some of those things called goals.

 

[Stockport blade]

It comes as no surprise that we can’t get a goal scorer,they cost to top money so everyone’s willing to push higher wages on them!if wilder wants us to kick on at some stage the (poor) wage structure we have has to be pushed!

 

[sufcboy95]

But they wouldn’t have. Because Derby bid as well, and would’ve just offered more than we would.

If we’d have got there first they wouldn’t have. They didn’t sign him until end of August