This Ultras thing.......

[Casper]

What do you reckon? Personally i feel sorry for the footy youth of today. When i was a lad we were able to stand on the terracing.... singing, swaying, surging, bouncing etc etc all match long. Nowt better than a belly full of beer then joining the rest of the lads at the back of the kop for a good old mosh around. Must admit i was a bit of a wimp and always tried to stand just infront of a barrier so i some protection lol.

I like the fact that a group of people want to get together and try to create some atmosphere. The all seater stadiums are horrible - sure there should be seats for kids, families, old etc, but in this day and age there should be 'safe' standing where like minded individuals can go and enjoy the camaraderie with their fellow blades.

Not too sure about the 'ultras' label though lol, just sounds like we are trying to copy the Italians. Whats wrong with plain and simple 'Shoreham Boys'!

 

[Autumn]

Ultras is the wrong name for the group, Shoreham boys is also excluding the ladettes amongst us. Although i do like the name.

 

[Casper]

Ultras is the wrong name for the group, Shoreham boys is also excluding the ladettes amongst us. Although i do like the name.

lol - sorry i take your point. Nowt wrong with the bladettes joining in with the fun! Oh the group hugs on the kop when the blades had scored in the 70's - the stuff that school boy dreams were made of

 

[GC88]

I was up there and part of the group in the first half but when the stewards kick people out after less than five minutes to prove a point and have no support from the people around - at times it felt as though theres no point.

In an away end where there was probably 1000+ spare seats they decide to start coming up checking tickets - then either kick people out for not being the seat on their ticket or move them elsewhere.

Reading was always going to be the toughest of places to start this.

Also there isnt an official name as there isnt a group as such just a number of people who want to vocally support united together.

 

[Casper]

I was up there and part of the group in the first half but when the stewards kick people out after less than five minutes to prove a point and have no support from the people around - at times it felt as though theres no point.

In an away end where there was probably 1000+ spare seats they decide to start coming up checking tickets - then either kick people out for not being the seat on their ticket or move them elsewhere.

Reading was always going to be the toughest of places to start this.

Also there isnt an official name as there isnt a group as such just a number of people who want to vocally support united together.

Its shit mate, i totally understand your predicament. A bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss by the people who run\control the game and stadia. ok, of course families and kids should be looked after, but ffs what do they want football to become??? its always been a working class sport - sod the prawn sandwich brigade.

 

[silverfox]

In an away end where there was probably 1000+ spare seats they decide to start coming up checking tickets - then either kick people out for not being the seat on their ticket or move them elsewhere.

As Linz has pointed out elsewhere you have bought a ticket with certain conditions.

You may not like it, I don't either, but the rules are there and you can be chucked out.

We will never get back to a real Kop....those days are gone!

 

[Casper]

As Linz has pointed out elsewhere you have bought a ticket with certain conditions.

You may not like it, I don't either, but the rules are there and you can be chucked out.

We will never get back to a real Kop....those days are gone!

thats exactly my point. big brother has gone too far - let common sense prevail ffs. In a tightly packed area, yeah of course if people are dicking about with the seats then they need sorting. With 1000+ spare seats???? come on, thats why the authorities get no respect in my opinion.

 

[silverfox]

thats exactly my point. big brother has gone too far - let common sense prevail ffs. In a tightly packed area, yeah of course if people are dicking about with the seats then they need sorting. With 1000+ spare seats???? come on, thats why the authorities get no respect in my opinion.

But you still bought your ticket with those conditions so they are still within their rights to do what they did.

Even if I, you or anyone else does not agree if they don't do it they can have their safety licence taken away.

I'm afraid if you don't like it the only protest is not to buy a ticket.

We lost the fight many years ago I'm afraid.

 

[Linz]

thats exactly my point. big brother has gone too far - let common sense prevail ffs. In a tightly packed area, yeah of course if people are dicking about with the seats then they need sorting. With 1000+ spare seats???? come on, thats why the authorities get no respect in my opinion.

Fair enough, you don't like the rules.

But any seasoned football fan knows that if you argue with stewards, the only thing you're gonna achieve is getting yourself booted out... they don't make the rules, they merely enforce them.

A change in the rules to allow standing needs more organisation than a few kids starting on yellow jacket-wearers.

 

[Foxy]

Also there isnt an official name as there isnt a group as such just a number of people who want to vocally support united together.

To be honest I don't see the need for a name, nor the organision.

It isn't a new concept, a group of people who want to vocally support united together across the county have been in existance years and years... it's called the away following

 

[Sheffield-Bl4de]

Let's start a rebellion. Everyone stand, they wont chuck us all out lol

Ultras...makes me laugh every time I hear it. Just a load of fun boy prats thinking they're the bollocks.

 

[Casper]

Fair enough, you don't like the rules.

But any seasoned football fan knows that if you argue with stewards, the only thing you're gonna achieve is getting yourself booted out... they don't make the rules, they merely enforce them.

A change in the rules to allow standing needs more organisation than a few kids starting on yellow jacket-wearers.

LOL ive only just noticed there is an 'ultras' thread a bit further down and all this has been debated to death - sorry Linz :shakehead:

thing is, the stewards are just pawns in the game. Many of them dont give a flying fook about anything apart from getting the match over with and collecting their 20 odd quid. Its the authorities telling them what they should do that is the problem.

 

[Linz]

It isn't a new concept, a group of people who want to vocally support united together across the county have been in existance years and years... it's called the away following

It's amusing me... to claim they are a hardcore, there's an awful lot of "oh I'm not going to so-and-so match"

If they want to challenge the establishment with regard to the rules, then they ought to look at the Stand Up Sit Down group (which has gone a bit quiet recently) and start a writing campaign to their local MPs (as far as I understand it, the Lib Dems support the idea of safe standing areas).

Going off like a mob and getting yourself chucked out isn't the way to make those who can change the rules look upon you with sympathy.

I'm all for safe standing... but there are ways and means.

 

[silverfox]

I find it a bit patronising too......having supported United since the late 60's, hardly missing an home match, including friendlies and testimonials. Also all the away matches over the years and I'm still pretty vocal as anyone who has been to a match with me will agree.

Do us old gits need telling how to support our team?

 

[GC88]

To be honest I don't see the need for a name, nor the organision.

It isn't a new concept, a group of people who want to vocally support united together across the county have been in existance years and years... it's called the away following

I think you're totally wrong.

Uniteds away support is mainly families and 50+ along with the odd group of 40+ who have been drinking.

United's away support isnt vocal at all - and most would be happy to sit down, stay quiet and enjoy whatever they have in their flask and the sandwiches that they have fetched along and would be happy to sit quietly and watch the game.

We are a separate group to these people and don't want to support united like these people and want to vocally support united together within the "away support" as you call it.

It seems as though the first group of people I mentioned do not respect our right to support united how we want and are in fact worse than the people who they give negative reactions to inside the ground and criticise on the internet for wanting to support united vocally.

 

[silverfox]

I think you're totally wrong.

Uniteds away support is mainly families and 50+ along with the odd group of 40+ who have been drinking.

United's away support isnt vocal at all - and most would be happy to sit down, stay quiet and enjoy whatever they have in their flask and the sandwiches that they have fetched along and would be happy to sit quietly and watch the game.

We are a separate group to these people and don't want to support united like these people and want to vocally support united together within the "away support" as you call it.

It seems as though the first group of people I mentioned do not respect our right to support united how we want and are in fact worse than the people who they give negative reactions to inside the ground and criticise on the internet for wanting to support united vocally.

So us 50+ who have been singing for 40 years don't count!

Thanks for that!

 

[GC88]

It's amusing me... to claim they are a hardcore, there's an awful lot of "oh I'm not going to so-and-so match"

If they want to challenge the establishment with regard to the rules, then they ought to look at the Stand Up Sit Down group (which has gone a bit quiet recently) and start a writing campaign to their local MPs (as far as I understand it, the Lib Dems support the idea of safe standing areas).

Going off like a mob and getting yourself chucked out isn't the way to make those who can change the rules look upon you with sympathy.

I'm all for safe standing... but there are ways and means.

Also we are not a mob - all they were kicked out for was not being in the seat allocated to them.

I saw two men with their kids move away from in front of us and someone there with his mum i guess move away also because we were too loud probably - why didnt they get kicked out? are they a mob? do the ground rules apply to them?

All we were doing was singing for united and caused no trouble at all just banter.

 

[GC88]

So us 50+ who have been singing for 40 years don't count!

Thanks for that!

you miss understood my post - maybe i should have said 60 plus. i also wasnt saying they are all quiet but on the whole it is the case.

 

[silverfox]

you miss understood my post - maybe i should have said 60 plus. i also wasnt saying they are all quiet but on the whole it is the case.

No I read what you posted.

I'm not worthy it seems!

 

[GC88]

you read what i posted and misunderstood it.

There are two different paragraphs - one summarises uniteds away support in terms of categories, one summarises what most are happy to do.

I didn't make association between the two hence the new paragraph.

 

[silverfox]

you read what i posted and misunderstood it.

There are two different paragraphs - one summarises uniteds away support in terms of categories, one summarises what most are happy to do.

I didn't make association between the two hence the new paragraph.

Why mention families and the 50+ then?

Why not the young who don't sing like they used to at all.

I find that very patronising.

 

[Linz]

But surely by picking out who is "worthy" to join your little gang and categorising people into who's with you and who isn't, you are never going to achieve your aim of improving the atmosphere overall? I wasn't aware that giving birth or having children stopped your voice from working. Nor that you lose your voice when you reach 40.

You say you don't want to be stereotyped as a mob, then proceed to do exactly that with everyone else!

Hardly reaching out to your fellow Blades is it?

 

[silverfox]

Linz's nan shouts at home matches but she's hardly going to make the noise I do!

But i'm so glad she does her bit!

How old is she now?

 

[Linz]

How old is she now?

A lady should never reveal her age, but her first match was aged 12 and that was 61 years ago

Like a bloody sailor she was on Tuesday night as well with that poor excuse for a linesman on our side

And she's seen some real bother in her time too... had her clothes set alight after a firework was lobbed towards United fans on their travels.

 

[silverfox]

A lady should never reveal her age, but her first match was aged 12 and that was 61 years ago

Like a bloody sailor she was on Tuesday night as well with that poor excuse for a linesman on our side

And she's seen some real bother in her time too... had her clothes set alight after a firework was lobbed towards United fans on their travels.

Ultra for me!

 

[GC88]

But surely by picking out who is "worthy" to join your little gang and categorising people into who's with you and who isn't, you are never going to achieve your aim of improving the atmosphere overall? I wasn't aware that giving birth or having children stopped your voice from working. Nor that you lose your voice when you reach 40.

You say you don't want to be stereotyped as a mob, then proceed to do exactly that with everyone else!

Hardly reaching out to your fellow Blades is it?

As I said before - I did not link the two paragraphs.

1. Uniteds support is mostly people 50+ or with families

2. Most of uniteds away support is happy to be quiet

I didn't link them - I'd be more than happy to introduce you to people etc. if you want to join in and provide contact details.

 

[Bladesman]

We have Ultras now?

 

[happyhippy]

I think you're totally wrong.

Uniteds away support is mainly families and 50+ along with the odd group of 40+ who have been drinking.

So the demographic is pretty much the same as at home. No real surprise there then.

United's away support isnt vocal at all - and most would be happy to sit down, stay quiet and enjoy whatever they have in their flask and the sandwiches that they have fetched along and would be happy to sit quietly and watch the game.

If that is so (and I've rarely seen that sort of thing at away matches - South Stand at home, maybe), they've paid their money just like you and are perfectly entitled to do so.

We are a separate group to these people and don't want to support united like these people and want to vocally support united together within the "away support" as you call it.

All of which is great, though I don't like the victim mentality tone coming through the screen .....

It seems as though the first group of people I mentioned do not respect our right to support united how we want and are in fact worse than the people who they give negative reactions to inside the ground and criticise on the internet for wanting to support united vocally.

..... and you're seemingly not respecting other people too. Shout, chant, scream and bawl as much as you want, but don't berate and belittle those who don't constantly join in.

 

[silverfox]

As I said before - I did not link the two paragraphs.

1. Uniteds support is mostly people 50+ or with families

2. Most of uniteds away support is happy to be quiet

I didn't link them - I'd be more than happy to introduce you to people etc. if you want to join in and provide contact details.

Do you have figures to back up the 50's or families because I don't see it.

Plus you say you don't link stuff but you seem to have an issue with the majority of Blades fans and their support of the team.

If you do say so.

 

[Northyorksblade]

There are three generations of our family who travel home and away youngest 9 eldest 62. We all sing, but a lot more at away games as that's where more people sing. Must admit, the last couple of season's there is less singing, but you can't generalise.