Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[YES Blade]

Seems that Derby will sign Marriot and try for Waghorn using money from selling their existing strike force, such as Nugent.

How ironic would it be if Derby get Marriot and Waghorn and we sign either Nugent or Jerome! I'd rather Marriot or Waghorn but I can see Jerome or Nugent doing a decent job for us, if we signed one of them.

We do seem to like a geriatric striker or two at the moment so sounds plausible to me.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

So they've rejected 5.5m (allegedly) from us, but are willing to accept 4m with a pie in the sky bonus on top?

Yes. Derby are gambling big style on promotion, same with Forest. Unfortunately for both of them, they're not going to be anywhere near Stoke or West Brom so they've effectively got 1 spot to play for. Ergo... One (or more likely both) are fucked. Derby are already on the brink of FFP (and need to get shut of Vydra to bring Waghorn in). Can't see Forest being too far behind. Can see Middlesbrough being fairly close too.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

The 4m Purchase of Marriot has Derby over the FFP 3 year limit, so they really are fucked if they don't get rid of Vydra.

 

[Harry's Game]

Yes. Derby are gambling big style on promotion, same with Forest. Unfortunately for both of them, they're not going to be anywhere near Stoke or West Brom so they've effectively got 1 spot to play for. Ergo... One (or more likely both) are fucked. Derby are already on the brink of FFP (and need to get shut of Vydra to bring Waghorn in). Can't see Forest being too far behind. Can see Middlesbrough being fairly close too.

Middlesbrough have another couple of years of Parachute payments yet. But Derby and Forest have bet the farm on this you’re right about that.

 

[Torrix1889]

The 4m Purchase of Marriot has Derby over the FFP 3 year limit, so they really are fucked if they don't get rid of Vydra.

They have got Darren Bents considerable wage off the books though...

 

[wizadry]

They have got Darren Bents considerable wage off the books though...

I’m not 100% on this but I’m pretty sure he was on £60k plus bonuses?

Which is absolutely ridiculous!

 

[super_pig]

This thread is 57% away from rivaling the Morsy thread. Disappointing. More bullshit required, people!

'you'll never beat dan burn! you'll never beat dan burn!'

 

[BritishSteel]

Bent isn`t on £ 60 k a week. My partner works for Derby County and the top earner Is Chris Martin . Not going to say how much he is on but a lot less than that.

 

[FTPE]

Sounds a bit odd.
3pm today Derby hadn't made an approach.
5pm it's done... as long as they sell a player to Leeds and it all goes smooth.
Hmmmm ok

 

[Jonboy60]

Don’t want to start a new thread about ffp, but if it’s true Derby have offered £4m, rising to £8m if they get promoted , is this just another way to avoid ffp. United could offer £4m and another £5m if we got promoted. We can all play that game. No extra for the selling club, if the buying club don’t go up. But the extra income we get,£9m total is peanuts out of the premier money.
Just using United as an example, but is this feasible for other clubs, or am I talking bollox. Are clubs exempt when getting promoted.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Bent wasn`t on £ 60 k a week. My partner works for Derby County and the top earner Is Chris Martin . Not going to say how much he is on but a lot less than that.

You can’t be coming on here with actual facts.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

If clubs can offer extra £££ for getting to the premier league in deals why don’t we?

It’s money we’ll probably never have to pay and if the players are any good we’ll sell em in the window anyway.

 

[BritishSteel]

I know , anyone fancy taking me to the Argos car park for a good kicking.

 

[derfblade.3]

Looking like 3 mill + Blackman and Butterfield.

 

[Bartleby]

If clubs can offer extra £££ for getting to the premier league in deals why don’t we?

It’s money we’ll probably never have to pay and if the players are any good we’ll sell em in the window anyway.

you've answered your own question. Derby probably seen by some as a better bet to get that return? Big unknown with Lampard though, could all go Weir shaped.

 

[Blade58]

Looking like 3 mill + Blackman and Butterfield.

If I was Ipswich chairman, would I take these two as part of the deal?

Not sure Hurst would take them either

I'd take the larger cash deal

 

[wizadry]

Bent isn`t on £ 60 k a week. My partner works for Derby County and the top earner Is Chris Martin . Not going to say how much he is on but a lot less than that.

So how much was Bent on then? I know for a fact he got 100k at his previous club, which was absurd. As I say, I’m not sure at Derby but I got told he was on £60k. I’m only giving the info I’ve been told to those interested on here.

 

[wizadry]

You can’t be coming on here with actual facts.

So what were the ‘facts’ in his post?

 

[BritishSteel]

I haven`t been told the exact amount as Mrs steel would like to keep her job. Based on what she earns , and hints she has dropped about how long it would take him to pay our mortgage off i would say about £ 35 k a week.

 

[wizadry]

I haven`t been told the exact amount as Mrs steel would like to keep her job. Based on what she earns , and hints she has dropped about how long it would take him to pay our mortgage off i would say about £ 35 k a week.

Fair enough, it’s still outrageous given his playing credentials in recent seasons.

 

[BritishSteel]

Luckily most of the wages came from the sponsorship with " Just Eat " . The irony of it .

 

[Liaminho9]

I can’t understand why they are willing to sell Vydra to sign Waghorn... Vydra is by far the better player IMO

 

[robbiez666]

I can’t understand why they are willing to sell Vydra to sign Waghorn... Vydra is by far the better player IMO

I thought Vydra wanted out?

 

[Liaminho9]

I thought Vydra wanted out?

Ah that may explain it then

 

[super_pig]

Don’t want to start a new thread about ffp, but if it’s true Derby have offered £4m, rising to £8m if they get promoted , is this just another way to avoid ffp. United could offer £4m and another £5m if we got promoted. We can all play that game. No extra for the selling club, if the buying club don’t go up. But the extra income we get,£9m total is peanuts out of the premier money.
Just using United as an example, but is this feasible for other clubs, or am I talking bollox. Are clubs exempt when getting promoted.

no not bollocks at all.. but waghorn isn't worth 8 meg so fuck that..

 

[Booker4]

Yes. Derby are gambling big style on promotion, same with Forest. Unfortunately for both of them, they're not going to be anywhere near Stoke or West Brom so they've effectively got 1 spot to play for. Ergo... One (or more likely both) are fucked. Derby are already on the brink of FFP (and need to get shut of Vydra to bring Waghorn in). Can't see Forest being too far behind. Can see Middlesbrough being fairly close too.

Boro probably OK as they have parachute payments - First Class Concord would be more appropriate, when you consider most teams use these "parachute payments" to bank roll their way back up again.

Derby and Forest though, as you say, are gambling and if they don't make it they'll end up like our nearest and dearest - unable to sign a player and left with an overpaid and underachieving squad - my heart bleeds for them!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

So how much was Bent on then? I know for a fact he got 100k at his previous club, which was absurd. As I say, I’m not sure at Derby but I got told he was on £60k. I’m only giving the info I’ve been told to those interested on here.

Pardon me for being an aged fart, but it’s all totally absurd!

Millions and millions for players who are at best “average” just because they had a good season here or there in their otherwise unremarkable careers? It reeks of desperation and greed on behalf of agents, players and clubs. Clubs are trying to buy instant success and they’ve lost all sense of common sense, decency and decorum in pursuit of this Holy Grail.

Do we want to play this game?

To some extent we have to, to compete.

But as always, there is a choice between “following the herd” and carving out our own way.

 

[wizadry]

Pardon me for being an aged fart, but it’s all totally absurd!

Millions and millions for players who are at best “average” just because they had a good season here or there in their otherwise unremarkable careers? It reeks of desperation and greed on behalf of agents, players and clubs. Clubs are trying to buy instant success and they’ve lost all sense of common sense, decency and decorum in pursuit of this Holy Grail.

Do we want to play this game?

To some extent we have to, to compete.

But as always, there is a choice between “following the herd” and carving out our own way.

I agree and I’m exactly the same. I want us to spend some money and you simply have to if you want to improve as a team but at the same time I don’t want us to do what those daft cunts across the road have done trying for a quick promotion, especially after all the piss taking I’ve given them for doing just that and failing.

It would be rather hypocritical of me now to want us to do what they’ve done. I know not every club spends money willy nilly but most clubs do in the higher echelons and it just doesn’t feel right. It’s certainly a tough job for everyone involved with the club.

 

[Gimli]

Don’t want either Jerome or Nugent, both old, declining and don’t score enough goals - definitely don’t want either of them if by doing so it assists Derby in signing one of our targets in Waghorn.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

You can’t be coming on here with actual facts.

My favourite post for a long time