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SUFC Handsworth said:
... and the two Blades, Walker and Maguire.

And all you w***ers that were slating England before the tournament started (you know who you are) go f**k yourselves !!!

Come on England, we're all proud to be English tonight (well most of us :) )
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Oh no they won't out themselves despite the fact they wish us to win. They will take comfort if our National team gets knocked out at the next game.
 
We are doing a lot better than I predicted, and I think we can make the semis.

However, Southgate needs to:

1. stop being so miserable
2. take a look at English players outside the Prem, and;
3. stop playing that shithouse Sterling. Being English and playing in the Prem should not be the minimum requirements to play for England.

Yeah I know, I really don't like Sterling.
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
... and the two Blades, Walker and Maguire.

And all you w***ers that were slating England before the tournament started (you know who you are) go f**k yourselves !!!

Come on England, we're all proud to be English tonight (well most of us :) )
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It's not the real England fans who get a bit over emotional who need to fuck themselves.

It's the lefty self nationality loathing saddoes.
 
Bashar Al Asaba said:
Correct.

It mostly just means being incredibly insecure, even in victory, as this thread outlines beautifully :rolleyes:
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You're the one putting Paisley videos on England football threads though.
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
... and the two Blades, Walker and Maguire.

And all you w***ers that were slating England before the tournament started (you know who you are) go f**k yourselves !!!

Come on England, we're all proud to be English tonight (well most of us :) )
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boo radley said:
Oh no they won't out themselves despite the fact they wish us to win. They will take comfort if our National team gets knocked out at the next game.
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Its funny that, boo radley mentioned this after we got through the group stages, wanting to out people that were critical of England.

I replied then and i'm replying now, England did well against Colombia and the result last night has surpassed expectations.

However, its still possible to be critical and support the team.

The group games against Tunisia and Panama told us nothing, we did what we needed to do.

The games against Belgium and Colombia both backfired, in some respects as against Belgium we set up for a draw, Colombia after 80 mins when we were playing well on the counter, we went defensive and conceded a predictable equaliser. There was nothing left in Extra Time

Still well done to England, we can only beat whats in front of us and we won't get a physically tougher game than that one last night!
 
SwissBlade said:
Its funny that, boo radley mentioned this after we got through the group stages, wanting to out people that were critical of England.

I replied then and i'm replying now, England did well against Colombia and the result last night has surpassed expectations.

However, its still possible to be critical and support the team.

The group games against Tunisia and Panama told us nothing, we did what we needed to do.

The games against Belgium and Colombia both backfired, in some respects as against Belgium we set up for a draw, Colombia after 80 mins when we were playing well on the counter, we went defensive and conceded a predictable equaliser. There was nothing left in Extra Time

Still well done to England, we can only beat whats in front of us and we won't get a physically tougher game than that one last night!
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You missed the point of the other thread completely. It is not about not being allowed to be critical. We as football fans accept that as part of the nature of this sport we choose to take part in.
As with the other thread it was a dig at those who over the years have stated that they don't support their National team in football. If you have stated that in the past then yes it was a go at you.
 
boo radley said:
You missed the point of the other thread completely. It is not about not being allowed to be critical. We as football fans accept that as part of the nature of this sport we choose to take part in.
As with the other thread it was a dig at those who over the years have stated that they don't support their National team in football. If you have stated that in the past then yes it was a go at you.
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The point wasn’t well made then ;)

I’ll always support England but supporting what they’d become was impossible.

This side and I have to say, Southgate too give us something to support. The players want it.

They need to stop rolling around though ffs
 
SwissBlade said:
The point wasn’t well made then ;)

I’ll always support England but supporting what they’d become was impossible.

This side and I have to say, Southgate too give us something to support. The players want it.

They need to stop rolling around though ffs
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Well we'll disagree on that then.
What do you mean by saying "What they'd become". Who?
 
boo radley said:
Well we'll disagree on that then.
What do you mean by saying "What they'd become". Who?
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I think you can look from pretty much 2002-2016 and the way that England interacted with fans, played the game and just generally performed and behaved like they didn't give a shit, it was hard to get behind them.
 

SwissBlade said:
I think you can look from pretty much 2002-2016 and the way that England interacted with fans, played the game and just generally performed and behaved like they didn't give a shit, it was hard to get behind them.
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I'll agree a bit about that but to me its like mirroring with our club. so pissed off about the decision making from the top down at times yet we all continue to support. And so it should be with the National team. Blame the FA for setting up that out of their control monster that is the premier league. That started the disconnect with the fans and then the players. Over paid prima donnas bla bla bla. It hastened the decline of the England team. It has taken a bloke who did not really want the job and someone none of us would have chosen to put a bit of humble pride and a realisation that we have no divine right. just as United have no divine right to expect success.
Through those crap times I still supported the Nation I love and am a part of, just as I supported the club I love and am a part of.
 
I will put my head over the parapet. I was very worried before the tournament that Southgate was the wrong choice as manager and an FA stooge, he was a shit club manager. I was worried that he had picked a squad too young that didn't have the experience required when the need to dig in was required. I was miffed that Henderson was even considered at all and a clever player that could unlock a defence like Wilshere was left at home in his place. However I did not at any time therefore want England to lose, I was pissed off at the selection as I thought it was wrong. I will now say that I like what he has done as he (Young apart) has put a broom through the squad and is building for the future. I think he made a slight miscalculation (which is evident with his playing down our chances all the time) in that he did not realise the way our side of the draw would open up with Germany and Spain biting the bullet, making it possible to go a long way.
I'm enjoying it and hope we can go all the way.
 
boo radley said:
I'll agree a bit about that but to me its like mirroring with our club. so pissed off about the decision making from the top down at times yet we all continue to support. And so it should be with the National team. Blame the FA for setting up that out of their control monster that is the premier league. That started the disconnect with the fans and then the players. Over paid prima donnas bla bla bla. It hastened the decline of the England team. It has taken a bloke who did not really want the job and someone none of us would have chosen to put a bit of humble pride and a realisation that we have no divine right. just as United have no divine right to expect success.
Through those crap times I still supported the Nation I love and am a part of, just as I supported the club I love and am a part of.
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Well done, good lad, have a lollipop.
 
boo radley said:
I'll agree a bit about that but to me its like mirroring with our club. so pissed off about the decision making from the top down at times yet we all continue to support. And so it should be with the National team. Blame the FA for setting up that out of their control monster that is the premier league. That started the disconnect with the fans and then the players. Over paid prima donnas bla bla bla. It hastened the decline of the England team. It has taken a bloke who did not really want the job and someone none of us would have chosen to put a bit of humble pride and a realisation that we have no divine right. just as United have no divine right to expect success.
Through those crap times I still supported the Nation I love and am a part of, just as I supported the club I love and am a part of.
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I'm not looking to blame anyone here, it was what it was and it will continue to be this way, we're in a very good period with the players we have now. Several things have happened such as Iceland, but probably more likely, Wales was the biggest turning point in terms of mentality as England fans started to see the Welsh team, many of whom played at smaller clubs in the Prem and god forbid the Championship.

2016 was probably the lowest i've felt as an England fan, but this was before the Iceland game.

Coincidentally, around the same time as Englands lows. Southgate came in, Leicester won the Premier league and along with Burnley, English football has been embarrassed at the top because these things aren't meant to happen.

The old guard has gone and they've been replaced with a breed of players that know the value of life, Vardy, Trippier, Maguire and the like because they've come through a different way.

The Shearer Generation still don't all quite get it though. Martin Keown, whom i often really agree with (a lot of the time) said on 5 Live this morning that players like Vardy and Maguire were nearly lost to the game as they were playing in the lower divisions. I think Keown misses the point here, those players have become the players they are because of their experiences.

I think there is still the belief that England selection should only come from Premier League teams, but perhaps this world cup shows that players are rising to the top wherever they start out
 
SwissBlade said:
I'm not looking to blame anyone here, it was what it was and it will continue to be this way, we're in a very good period with the players we have now. Several things have happened such as Iceland, but probably more likely, Wales was the biggest turning point in terms of mentality as England fans started to see the Welsh team, many of whom played at smaller clubs in the Prem and god forbid the Championship.

2016 was probably the lowest i've felt as an England fan, but this was before the Iceland game.

Coincidentally, around the same time as Englands lows. Southgate came in, Leicester won the Premier league and along with Burnley, English football has been embarrassed at the top because these things aren't meant to happen.

The old guard has gone and they've been replaced with a breed of players that know the value of life, Vardy, Trippier, Maguire and the like because they've come through a different way.

The Shearer Generation still don't all quite get it though. Martin Keown, whom i often really agree with (a lot of the time) said on 5 Live this morning that players like Vardy and Maguire were nearly lost to the game as they were playing in the lower divisions. I think Keown misses the point here, those players have become the players they are because of their experiences.

I think there is still the belief that England selection should only come from Premier League teams, but perhaps this world cup shows that players are rising to the top wherever they start out
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Good post and it mirrors how I feel about the England team and supporting them. I lost interest after 2002 when we had the team to win the World Cup but the prima donnas and a fool of a manager who couldn't recognise that Scholes was the best England midfield player at the time fcked up. Gerrard and Lampard were only interested in playing for their Clubs. Ferdinand has admitted they didnt talk to each other and there were Club cliques. The turgid ultra negative nervous tournament football we played mirrored the subsequent managers and players alike.

Credit to Southgate for engineering club team spirit at a national level but only 12 months ago we were being treated to the delights of Doug Livermore in midfield with Henderson and Dier. Somehow more by chance than design he seems to have stumbled upon a formation that brings the best out of the players he has. Yet last night in his most important game he reverted to type and went ultra defensive in the last 10 minutes and nearly threw the game away. He has Pickford and Dier to thank for not being pilloried this morning.

The team have rode their luck with decisions and VAR has been a big help. Only 1 goal scored in open play and the obsession with playing Young and Sterling when Rashford and Rose would provide more balance pace and scoring threat may yet catch Southgate out. For the moment its good to see a young group of players playing for each other in England shirts but the manager needs to pick an attacking minded team if they are to progress.

England are more watchable at the moment but mainly because there are two Blades playing with pride. Do I get all patriotic when watching England? For me no they are the country of my birth so I follow them but its not Sheffield United and I would swap an England World Cup win for Blades promotion to the premiership any day of the week. If they get to the final, which I think is unlikely, I will watch it in a Blades pub as the thought of a sweaty pig wanting to hug and kiss me if England score is just one step too far.
 
Well, leaving aside who is and isn’t ‘allowed’ to support England :rolleyes:, it’s been enjoyable so far.
The team has limitations but they’re organised, having a go and trying to play a bit of football which is not too dissimilar from Mr Wilder’s...

It’s refreshing after the dirge like procession of tournaments where we’ve had ‘better players’ but awful performances/ego’s....add that to that a bit of Bladeybladeness and away we go. :)

Looking forward to Sweden with all to play for.
 
Bashar Al Asaba said:
I rarely 'Lol' at posts.
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I guessed that.

I would imagine you smash the keyboard, scrabble around for the wax crayon and then add another to the list of 'come the revolution'.

I would imagine I'm on that list several times, so perhaps it could do with a bit of general housekeeping to tidy it down to size?
 

Esablade said:
Well, leaving aside who is and isn’t ‘allowed’ to support England :rolleyes:, it’s been enjoyable so far.
The team has limitations but they’re organised, having a go and trying to play a bit of football which is not too dissimilar from Mr Wilder’s...

It’s refreshing after the dirge like procession of tournaments where we’ve had ‘better players’ but awful performances/ego’s....add that to that a bit of Bladeybladeness and away we go. :)

Looking forward to Sweden with all to play for.
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Who's saying people are and aren't allowed to support England? Would've thought there was little that could be done to stop it.
 
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