Will Brooks stay??

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And another thing, if someone is daft enough to offer big money from Brooks (teens of millions), we should snap their hands off, because
Champagneblade said:
It would be ridiculous to sell Brooks in my opinion:
1. If he’s worth x now, he’ll be worth 2-4 times that as soon as he sets foot on the turf at PL level, which could be with us if we can eek out 6 more points.
2. Unless he gets a career-threatening injury, his value will increase the next few seasons without a doubt.
3. If he doesn’t look like breaking into Spurs or Bournemouth team, they might loan him. He could end up against us and improving another team’s chances.
4. He could become a definitive starter either up top or in attacking midfield or on the wing. The more starters we’ve got, the better.
5. What message does this send to the fans and the players? It says same old, same old and it says I’ve gone as far as I can with this lot.
6. Setting aside success, this if an entertainment business. He’s the most entertaining player we have. Let’s not suck the enjoyment out of it!

It’s a no from me. Come back in 24 months if we are still in this division.

Now is not the time to start taking backward steps.
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I'm torn tbh. I think his value is probably currently at his highest, he's come off the back of an excellent Toulon tournament and he's shown flashes of quality this season, but the majority of his performances have been meh. It can be argued he's still finding his feet at this level and that the GF did for him. If you were being critical, it could also be argued that although highly skilled, he's neither strong enough, doesn't have the right frame to put muscle on, doesn't possess pace to effect games at this level on a consistent basis. There's a risk of over projection of talent onto him, from what i've seen of the championship this year, it could be argued that Ojo, Grealish, Onomah, Brereton, Dowell, Maddison (£25m quoted fee), Phillips and Traoré are all a level above.

What makes me a little nervous is that he was in the same academy group as Bersant Celina and Brandon Barker, who looked great players (better players that DB) in their youth, neither of whom have developed as expected, both sharing similar characteristics as DB.

If we do keep him, he has to be a starter.

The decision is do we retain his services & take the risk on him as a player? An ineffective season next year will drop his value or do we sell and let a premiership team take the risk on his development? Possibly getting him back on loan. We're in an Oliver Burke situation. It's worth noting, that although not directly comparable players in style, but similar in age & experience, Jordon Ibe went for £15m off the back of 5 goals in 20 championship games, and Oliver Burke went for £13m off the back of 6 goals in 25 championship games.
 
Selling brooks will have no benefit to the team as the money will be trousered again, like it has time and time before... so it’s a no from me...

As for The washing machine, our manager clearly rates him and the price is for an established centre forward, we spend peanuts so it seems like a lot when really it isn’t...
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
So now what you’re saying is that Madine is worth £6m because Warnock was, for lack of a better word, desperate? Sound.

He still paid £6m.
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Transfer fees valuations aren’t that simple..

There’s 2 prices.
The going rate....this applies to all clubs...then there’s the fee a club is prepared to pay.,,.this figure can be anything, depends how desperate the buying and selling clubs are.

The going rate for Madine is 1 million max.

However he was Bolton’s main striker fully slotting into Bolton’s industrial hoof ball style. Without Madine Bolton were risking relegation,:so a basic player like Madine was worth 5 million plus to Bolton.

Now the issue is very few clubs would pay 2 million for Madine but Cardiff were in a great chance to hit the 100 million plus PL jackpot.

Any injuries up front could mean they lose over 100 million, so in their circumstances paying 6 million for an insurance policy able to fit in to Cardiff’s hoofball style made good business sense, it was a calculated risk for both Cardiff and Bolton and both clubs will be delighted with the deal.
 
Without weighing in on the question of whether to sell Brooks, neither Spurs nor Bournemouth seem like very likely destinations for him to me.

Spurs have been tightening their belts while the new stadium was built, and although Poch has just gone public asking for the owners to invest more money, it's far from clear they'll be in the business of spending millions on a lad who will get nowhere near their first team.

Bournemouth broke their transfer record (I think) for another star winger in the making, Jordon Ibe, and that hasn't turned out quite how they'd hoped. Would they be willing to make another similar gamble?
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
And another thing, if someone is daft enough to offer big money from Brooks (teens of millions), we should snap their hands off, because


I'm torn tbh. I think his value is probably currently at his highest, he's come off the back of an excellent Toulon tournament and he's shown flashes of quality this season, but the majority of his performances have been meh. It can be argued he's still finding his feet at this level and that the GF did for him. If you were being critical, it could also be argued that although highly skilled, he's neither strong enough, doesn't have the right frame to put muscle on, doesn't possess pace to effect games at this level on a consistent basis. There's a risk of over projection of talent onto him, from what i've seen of the championship this year, it could be argued that Ojo, Grealish, Onomah, Brereton, Dowell, Maddison (£25m quoted fee), Phillips and Traoré are all a level above.

What makes me a little nervous is that he was in the same academy group as Bersant Celina and Brandon Barker, who looked great players (better players that DB) in their youth, neither of whom have developed as expected, both sharing similar characteristics as DB.

If we do keep him, he has to be a starter.

The decision is do we retain his services & take the risk on him as a player? An ineffective season next year will drop his value or do we sell and let a premiership team take the risk on his development? Possibly getting him back on loan. We're in an Oliver Burke situation. It's worth noting, that although not directly comparable players in style, but similar in age & experience, Jordon Ibe went for £15m off the back of 5 goals in 20 championship games, and Oliver Burke went for £13m off the back of 6 goals in 25 championship games.
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Valid points, but one of the glaring gaps in our team is a striker with pace who can score us a goal from nothing in tough/tight games.

We potentially have one and with the rumoured budget Tufty will have this Summer, I'm pretty certain we'll struggle to find anyone close to filling that gap.

I'd much rather we blew the budget on a LWB and a centre CB who can help us park the bus. That's what has cost us this season.
 
Chali 2na said:
I still dont understand what youre trying to say.

Im trying to say that I doubt Lookman or Everton will entertain a loan move to the Championship after a successful Bundesliga loan.
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I'm trying to say, it doesnt matter, because Brooks wont b going to Everton.
 
Star reckons that Bournemouth have intimated that they are willing to pay more than £10m for Brooks

"Although the United manager refused to divulge either the source of the approach or identity of those involved, he did confirm Brooks’ potential suitors had suggested they would be ready to pay more than £10m to acquire his services should the 20-year-old become available."



https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-club-that-asked-about-david-brooks-1-9163988
 
Sheffsteel said:
Transfer fees valuations aren’t that simple..

There’s 2 prices.
The going rate....this applies to all clubs...then there’s the fee a club is prepared to pay.,,.this figure can be anything, depends how desperate the buying and selling clubs are.

The going rate for Madine is 1 million max.

However he was Bolton’s main striker fully slotting into Bolton’s industrial hoof ball style. Without Madine Bolton were risking relegation,:so a basic player like Madine was worth 5 million plus to Bolton.

Now the issue is very few clubs would pay 2 million for Madine but Cardiff were in a great chance to hit the 100 million plus PL jackpot.

Any injuries up front could mean they lose over 100 million, so in their circumstances paying 6 million for an insurance policy able to fit in to Cardiff’s hoofball style made good business sense, it was a calculated risk for both Cardiff and Bolton and both clubs will be delighted with the deal.
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See now what you’re doing here is convincing yourself that our transfer sale policy is good. When in fact it’s pretty pathetic. You say ‘the going rate for Madine’ is £1m max.

Wrong. He cost £6m. However you dress it up and try and justify us selling players for fuck all because they’re not our main striker or how desperate we are, doesn’t mean we should accept less than £6m for a 20-year old Welsh international.

As for the ‘desperation’ angle, I’d say that we are as desperate as can be considering we’re losing money year after year. Yet here we are with a player who has got some real proper potential and you’re telling me there’s ‘2 prices’ for a player.

Define ‘desperate’? I’d say a club losing money year on year needs to maximize its income however it can and if that is by charging over the odds then I’m all for it. I don’t give a toss if the buying club don’t feel he’s worth that much. Stop pandering to the big boys when we don’t have to.
 
Blade58 said:
Star reckons that Bournemouth have intimated that they are willing to pay more than £10m for Brooks

"Although the United manager refused to divulge either the source of the approach or identity of those involved, he did confirm Brooks’ potential suitors had suggested they would be ready to pay more than £10m to acquire his services should the 20-year-old become available."



https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-club-that-asked-about-david-brooks-1-9163988
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Ring em up and tell em there’s a guy on this forum says we shouldn’t charge that much and that there are ‘2 prices’ when it comes to a player.
 
All will depend on the ownership wrangle IMHO.
Prince wins...we sell him, Wilder leaves and we see a change of tac with recruiting abroad.
Km wins...we sell him and Wilder stays with the promise of funds from Brooks sale to reinvest in the team as he sees fit.

KM wins and he has some surprise billionaire in the wings to invest and Brooks stays to give it one more season using new money rather than player sales to fund a go at it.
 

If it was me, anything near £10million sell him and invest wisely, knowin our luck ‘wisely’ won’t happen and we won’t see anything, but I do hope we actually have the balls for once to say no to prem teams...
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
There are worrying signs of civilised behaviour and respect for fellow Blades breaking out on this forum. I'm considering reporting it to Foxy.

I hope this has not ruined the thread.
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Isaw Joeshaw said:
There are worrying signs of civilised behaviour and respect for fellow Blades breaking out on this forum. I'm considering reporting it to Foxy.

I hope this has not ruined the thread.
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Isaw Joeshaw said:
There are worrying signs of civilised behaviour and respect for fellow Blades breaking out on this forum. I'm considering reporting it to Foxy.

I hope this has not ruined the thread.
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Don't worry, Bash'em al Auntyfa will be along soon to sort it out, especially as there's a Billy thread currently on the go.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Don't worry, Bash'em al Auntyfa will be along soon to sort it out, especially as there's a Billy thread currently on the go.
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Best user name on the forum !

If I hadn't already got one, I'd have that before you can say Jay McEveley........ sorry, I just got a slight nauseous feeling.
 
Hopefully long enough to find some form and increase his value. Then he can go to the promised land if that's his dream
 
meathblade said:
The only way I’d be comfortable with us selling Brooks is if we got 10 million or more & replaced him with a striker for the same price.
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I wouldn't be comfortable with us signing a £10m striker, with or without the sale of Brooks, personally.
 
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