Wilder on the boardroom struggle

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Espania blade said:
I have run a business and if anyone ever gave me an ultimatum there was only going to be one winner - me!!

I can't quite understand this "God like" worship of Chris Wilder, yes he has done great things but he is also culpable (as well as the players) for the way the team has performed in the second half of the season, Nigel Clough took a lot of stick for the way he set his teams up, that was his way of dealing with "no money" situation, it wasn't pretty and arguable had more success than CW even if he couldn't get us out League one (Burton won today and just maybe could keep them in the division which would be a great achievement - and you don't hear him moaning about having no money!!), I would be saying to CW "if you want to go then go but be warned there are a lot worse run clubs than this one"

I sincerely hope he stays but he needs to learn a bit of diplomacy - and keep his gob shut! sorting out "boardroom issues" is never going to be easy in any business but you get your head down and get on with the job - or leave.

It's been a great season I hope it doesn't get spoilt.

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Although an employee of the club he is a very passionate blade and that interview was spoken as a true blade we all want the ownership sorting.
He's in a position that does carry some weight and I would say 100% of us want it sorted quickly.
Football is not a normal business,passions run deep.He was speaking from the heart an employee or not.
He wants us to kick on next season ( not expecting to spend big bucks ) it needs sorting and quickly.
 

spongebobblade said:
Did Wilder arrive at the Lane because of him or in spite of him?
He needs to sort the situation fast but let’s realise that despite his obvious mistakes he is responsible for some good things for the club. Surely you can see that?
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Throw enough shit and some will stick. He got lucky. He can’t bemoan bad luck and then think he’s pulled a master stroke.

IF Wilder leaves then what will that mean? It means the chairman doesn’t give a fuck about the direction of the club. He doesn’t want success even if it is staring him in the face. He wants money. He wants profit. He wants the assets.

IF Wilder leaves then fans will. That interview was frightening. Who replaces a man that epitomises what every United fan thinks and wants from the players? We’ve been there, it’s horrible.

But don’t sit there and say McCabe is somehow part of the reason for our success. It’s minimal. At best.

Some will say we still have a club because of him. Be realistic, somebody would buy this club if it was on the bones of its arse. The potential is huge.

But McCabe is too far in to give a fuck about the future.
 
The only trouble is CW has got it spot on again if we stagnate it is not only him who will be thinking about their future, will the likes of Fleck, Baldock, JOC to name a few want to hang around at a club going nowhere ? Would any decent player want to sign for a club going nowhere ? This lovers tiff is damaging the club and needs to come to a conclusion sooner rather than later.
Just when you think everything in the garden is rosy along come the Sheffield United board to royally fuck it all up.
 
Espania blade said:
Lest we forget we had some wonderful days with NC
How do you know NC had a bigger budget than CW, it's not public knowledge.
I'll say again "I think CW is a great fit for United and i hope he stays" I just think he is playing a dangerous game.
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Wilder's speaking his mind for the good of the club;I think we should be thankful because very few managers would put the club before their own wallet.He's putting his job at risk here.The club accounts are revealing budget wise and indicate a significant downturn between Clough and Adkins that carried on into Wilder's tenure (certainly in terms of new money being invested).Adkins had to put up with the dross signed in Clough's last season and sell Murphy in order to finance a few signings. Wilder was given peanuts until January and that was dependent on the sales of Adams and Calvert Lewin. Spending accelerated in January (when we were flying) but was contingent on the sale of Ramsdale. No player was signed for more than 300k last season, according to Wilder. Clough came nowhere near automatic promotion despite having our second biggest league one budget after Wilson's first season (somebody else who massively underachieved in the league, given the budget.).Clough's cup record is the element of his tenure worth writing home about.
What I would say to counter the favourable view of Wilder in league one, is that the club had an awful lot of players out of contract, which gave him room to put his own stamp on it (mainly with frees and small fees).Adkins and Wilson, in particular, had less of an opportunity to do that. Clough's signings were his downfall.
 
What annoys me is what''s been going on the for our last 6 months decline is nothing to do with our ownership, its cos for the last 2 years we've brought in nowt but defenders and defensive midfielders yet decent young forwards and attacking midfielders are nowhere to be seen and our forward line being over the hill has contributed to the collapse.
Its little to do with millions more investment and more are more to do with smart balanced recruitment over years and a proportion of young upcoming players who can score.
Wilder has overseen all this for 2 years yet in countless transfer windows we just buy defensive minded players and now its starting to show.
Take some responsibility Mr W and accept these are players your management team has brought in and if its not good enough take advice from more attacking minded professionals instead of blaming all else.
 
South Bucks said:
What annoys me is what''s been going on the for our last 6 months decline is nothing to do with our ownership, its cos for the last 2 years we've brought in nowt but defenders and defensive midfielders yet decent young forwards and attacking midfielders are nowhere to be seen and our forward line being over the hill has contributed to the collapse.
Its little to do with millions more investment and more are more to do with smart balanced recruitment over years and a proportion of young upcoming players who can score.
Wilder has overseen all this for 2 years yet in countless transfer windows we just buy defensive minded players and now its starting to show.
Take some responsibility Mr W and accept these are players your management team has brought in and if its not good enough take advice from more attacking minded professionals instead of blaming all else.
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Wilder signed Lavery, Duffy and Clarke and brought Brooks into the first team picture. We all know what happened to Dominic Calvert Lewin and Che Adams.An interesting comment from Knill this season was how he and Wilder rated Ollie Watkins as one of the two best young players outside of the Championship, but we couldn't afford him (he's now at Brentford).
 
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Wilder got Holmes and Leonard who he had wanted last summer in January and he has hardly used them
He also got a Evans , a welsh international, who he has used
Then there was Wilson
Is that the board not backing him??????
Previously brought in players like Carruthers who he has not used this season and who if he waned to free up funds for wages could have pushed out
Maybe if Wilder had pooled all this and brought in one quality striker, even on loan we would have done better
Is some of Wilder's rant a good attempt at deflection
 
He’s right, ownership situation needs sorting and a larger investment stream needs to come with that or we won’t move forward. I said at the turn of the year we had hit our ceiling and that proved to be completely true. I do believe it is mostly due to limited funds and trying to operate in a wealthy division.

Wilder has to look at himself a little though. We have lost a fair few points through tactical naivety and poor team selection. I am grateful to him for the job he has done and I think he can take us forward. He does need support to do that but he also needs to review his own methods and adapt because by my count we have won 7 of our last 27 league games. That is woeful. It’s the same team (plus additions) that he had since the start of the season. The ownership situation hasn’t suddenly made the results completely change.

Chris deserves the benefit of the doubt for what he’s accomplished but I don’t care what he says, he’s deflecting with those comments and they won’t help anyone.
 
Revolution said:
I don't think Wilder will be around long if the Prince ends up sole owner.
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Your probably right about that redhead can't see wilder staying if the prince takes over,just hope McCabe wins the ownership battle.Can trust McCabe to do what's best for the club can we trust the prince ?
 
Posted this on the Bristol City thread, its probably more relevant on here.

Basically KMac and Princie are way apart on the valuation of the (now-competitive Championship) club and Kev won't or can't afford to return the Prince's investment and meet his valuation to retain sole control. The way to settle it quick would be Kev to sell to the Prince on HRH's terms. But what if Kev doesn't think the Prince has the funds to take us to the next level, or if he thinks the Prince might think "taking us to the next level" means a new stadium or a change of identity?

It appears that McCabe doesn't now see the Prince as sole owner as being in the best interests of SUFC but if he can't afford to regain full control he needs to find investment quick. The kind of investor who will not want a big say in the future branding / commercial side of the club will be very hard to find. Plus, potential investors will be aware of the value of a huge plot of land on the edge of the city center (in terms of housing).

Wilder seemed pissed off in that interview but I'm sure he knows the score. There's a stalemate in the boardroom at the moment but I actually trust Kev in doing what he thinks best for the club. I'm sure Wilder knows this too. He's just got a bit mardy cos as it stands we will have fuck all to spend this summer unless we sell Brooks. This might happen but I doubt CW will walk, not this summer at least.

Saying that, history has shown that even the most devoted Blade, be it player or manager, will move to another club for more money. Wilder will know what the salary difference will be between us and, say, West Brom or Middlesboro in the PL.
 
As much as I totally agree with Chrissy, this season didn’t fall apart because of what happened in the boardroom in february

This season fell apart due to what happened on the pitch since January. He can take his share of blame for that, but he’s learning on the job. Teams are doing a job on us and we don’t adapt.

The fact Clarke can stay on the pitch for 90 mins winds me up more than words can say, and I like him. He’s just not getting the kick up the arse he sometimes needs.

Yes the board is bad but we weren’t comparing at the end of January
 
andy m said:
If his budget is 5th lowest then anything above 5th bottom has to be considered a successful season because he has outperformed his budget.
How the fuck anyone cannot see that is beyond me.
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Sorry but money does not always equal success. Unless perhaps you are Man City or Chelski in which case, MNO I doubt that you will ever see a league table where every club finished in order of their ability to spend
IMO the management team have done far better than we have a right to expect with what we believe the budget to have been
Spunking moneh. Alone will be no guarantee of success
 

Dkc said:
Posted this on the Bristol City thread, its probably more relevant on here.

Basically KMac and Princie are way apart on the valuation of the (now-competitive Championship) club and Kev won't or can't afford to return the Prince's investment and meet his valuation to retain sole control. The way to settle it quick would be Kev to sell to the Prince on HRH's terms. But what if Kev doesn't think the Prince has the funds to take us to the next level, or if he thinks the Prince might think "taking us to the next level" means a new stadium or a change of identity?

It appears that McCabe doesn't now see the Prince as sole owner as being in the best interests of SUFC but if he can't afford to regain full control he needs to find investment quick. The kind of investor who will not want a big say in the future branding / commercial side of the club will be very hard to find. Plus, potential investors will be aware of the value of a huge plot of land on the edge of the city center (in terms of housing).

Wilder seemed pissed off in that interview but I'm sure he knows the score. There's a stalemate in the boardroom at the moment but I actually trust Kev in doing what he thinks best for the club. I'm sure Wilder knows this too. He's just got a bit mardy cos as it stands we will have fuck all to spend this summer unless we sell Brooks. This might happen but I doubt CW will walk, not this summer at least.

Saying that, history has shown that even the most devoted Blade, be it player or manager, will move to another club for more money. Wilder will know what the salary difference will be between us and, say, West Brom or Middlesboro in the PL.
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Apart from the Sheff Uni gig, this was McCabe's last statement on this:

Full article here: https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/times-article.58129/
So what of the future? Will his sons carry it on? “Look, Simon lives in Beaconsfield, works out of London. Scott lives two hours away. The answer is I don’t think so. It will be their decision. I’ve got (co-owner) Prince Abdullah, nice guy, he’s beginning to understand. The family still owns the real estate because I don’t want: a), for us to play in blue and white, and b), to move away from Bramall Lane, at least in my lifetime. Whoever actually takes over, I want them to have a real feel for what Sheffield United’s about: foundations deep in the community.”
 
Kevin McCabe needs to just go ... he's had a good run at it and for the majority of the time has been an absolute disaster..

The Prince is in it for the riches and status of getting to the premier league ... he will put money in if McCabe is gone
 
nopigfansintown said:
Apart from the Sheff Uni gig, this was McCabe's last statement on this:

Full article here: https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/times-article.58129/
So what of the future? Will his sons carry it on? “Look, Simon lives in Beaconsfield, works out of London. Scott lives two hours away. The answer is I don’t think so. It will be their decision. I’ve got (co-owner) Prince Abdullah, nice guy, he’s beginning to understand. The family still owns the real estate because I don’t want: a), for us to play in blue and white, and b), to move away from Bramall Lane, at least in my lifetime. Whoever actually takes over, I want them to have a real feel for what Sheffield United’s about: foundations deep in the community.”
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Hmmmm, the truth is an abstract concept. As far as I am aware Simon attends the majority of home games and from what I know must live closer to BDTBL than Beaconsfield, or at least have a house in this area.
 
Drunk blade said:
Why else would he want to be involved??
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So if he thinks that the way to make money is sell the BL site, totally rebrand the club and play at a new stadium by the M1 you'd be happy with that?
 
To be fair he has a point. He doesn’t know who is boss is, what they want or what his budget is. Im no business man, nor have I ever been in a senior position, but I imagine starting the new financial year with no definitive budget or aim might be quite daunting.

I think he’ll stick out another season but we’re on thin ice with this squad. This season is over and we have no adequate strikers to start next season. He sees that and so does everyone else, no wonder he’s a bit downbeat
 
Sirius said:
Sorry but money does not always equal success. Unless perhaps you are Man City or Chelski in which case, MNO I doubt that you will ever see a league table where every club finished in order of their ability to spend
IMO the management team have done far better than we have a right to expect with what we believe the budget to have been
Spunking moneh. Alone will be no guarantee of success
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That is clearly not what I said. If you perform above your budget you are being successful in your job. End of.
 
Sirius said:
Sorry but money does not always equal success. Unless perhaps you are Man City or Chelski in which case, MNO I doubt that you will ever see a league table where every club finished in order of their ability to spend
IMO the management team have done far better than we have a right to expect with what we believe the budget to have been
Spunking moneh. Alone will be no guarantee of success
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This is a tired excuse I’m afraid. The league almost perfectly reflects spending with the odd anomaly. It doesn’t guarantee success but don’t allow the odd outlier make you think that money doesn’t have a strong positive correlation to success.
 
Can't believe some are having a dig at Wilder. I'm Sure in his interview he admitted making mistakes but this is a learn curve. 1st time in the championship for him and majority of players. It's ok for owners to go on about being in the premiership but you can't do it on a shoestring. You can try but eventually you have to spend to get where you want to be. The lack of quality in the final 3rd has proved this
 
Drunk blade said:
Kevin McCabe needs to just go ... he's had a good run at it and for the majority of the time has been an absolute disaster..

The Prince is in it for the riches and status of getting to the premier league ... he will put money in if McCabe is gone
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What money would that be and where from?
 

Need to sort this out pronto. we know we got the right man who could get us to Premier League. McCabe & Prince need to bang their heads together, because we cant waste this great oppotuntity & give him the tools to compete. So that we can improve on this squad. As we have seen the potential of this team if we can be on near as we can level playing field to teams we competing with in top half. We can easily make the play offs
 
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