Relegation Form

[GuangzhouBlade]

Since the ridiculous 5-4 Fulham home game we have picked up 30 points in 26 games a truly shocking return and if extrapolated over 46 games is likely to leave a team in a relegation fight. We can't kid ourselves. As much as it pains me to say it "momentum" did carry us though the first fifteen games of the season and since then we've played at about our level which is mid to bottom half championship team. There is no shame in that but the the club is at a bit of crossroads. The board have to decide what direction the club is heading.Wilder has done a great job of unearthing some good talent in the lower leagues but for the most part players are playing in league 1 because thats their level. You can't build an 11 solely from the lower leagues and expect to compete in the top of the championship. Paul Coutts is a decent footballer but he is not the premier league maestro many seem to claim he is. Lets not forget he's had one good season in league 1 and 12 good games in the Championship in a career of over 10 years. Im not saying we need to spend 100s of millions but we do perhaps need to start shopping in John Lewis rather than TJ Hughes if we are to be competing at the right end of the Championship next season. Our only two real outstanding players are Fleck and Duffy and unfortunately, Duffy is not at the age to build a team around. If the money is there to spend, it needs to be 2 or 3 quality additions. Not the farce we saw in the JTW where Wilder seemed to chase quantity over quality. None of the moves have really worked out besides Evans. Two quality signings and a bit of wilder magic may see us top 6 next season but the same squad and same transfer strategy next season and we will probably finish in the bottom half. UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

Since the ridiculous 5-4 Fulham home game we have picked up 30 points in 26 games a truly shocking return and if extrapolated over 46 games is likely to leave a team in a relegation fight. We can't kid ourselves. As much as it pains me to say it "momentum" did carry us though the first fifteen games of the season and since then we've played at about our level which is mid to bottom half championship team. There is no shame in that but the the club is at a bit of crossroads. The board have to decide what direction the club is heading.Wilder has done a great job of unearthing some good talent in the lower leagues but for the most part players are playing in league 1 because thats their level. You can't build an 11 solely from the lower leagues and expect to compete in the top of the championship. Paul Coutts is a decent footballer but he is not the premier league maestro many seem to claim he is. Lets not forget he's had one good season in league 1 and 12 good games in the Championship in a career of over 10 years. Im not saying we need to spend 100s of millions but we do perhaps need to start shopping in John Lewis rather than TJ Hughes if we are to be competing at the right end of the Championship next season. Our only two real outstanding players are Fleck and Duffy and unfortunately, Duffy is not at the age to build a team around. If the money is there to spend, it needs to be 2 or 3 quality additions. Not the farce we saw in the JTW where Wilder seemed to chase quantity over quality. None of the moves have really worked out besides Evans. Two quality signings and a bit of wilder magic may see us top 6 next season but the same squad and same transfer strategy next season and we will probably finish in the bottom half. UTB

But why would you need to extrapolate it over 46 games when the games prior to that generated points? The season didn't start at the fulham game, it started in August.

 

[cooperblade]

Since the ridiculous 5-4 Fulham home game we have picked up 30 points in 26 games a truly shocking return and if extrapolated over 46 games is likely to leave a team in a relegation fight.

It'd leave us 15 points clear of Barnsley so no more of a 'fight' than Khan v Lo Greco.

 

[super_pig]

Since the ridiculous 5-4 Fulham home game we have picked up 30 points in 26 games a truly shocking return and if extrapolated over 46 games is likely to leave a team in a relegation fight. We can't kid ourselves. As much as it pains me to say it "momentum" did carry us though the first fifteen games of the season and since then we've played at about our level which is mid to bottom half championship team. There is no shame in that but the the club is at a bit of crossroads. The board have to decide what direction the club is heading.Wilder has done a great job of unearthing some good talent in the lower leagues but for the most part players are playing in league 1 because thats their level. You can't build an 11 solely from the lower leagues and expect to compete in the top of the championship. Paul Coutts is a decent footballer but he is not the premier league maestro many seem to claim he is. Lets not forget he's had one good season in league 1 and 12 good games in the Championship in a career of over 10 years. Im not saying we need to spend 100s of millions but we do perhaps need to start shopping in John Lewis rather than TJ Hughes if we are to be competing at the right end of the Championship next season. Our only two real outstanding players are Fleck and Duffy and unfortunately, Duffy is not at the age to build a team around. If the money is there to spend, it needs to be 2 or 3 quality additions. Not the farce we saw in the JTW where Wilder seemed to chase quantity over quality. None of the moves have really worked out besides Evans. Two quality signings and a bit of wilder magic may see us top 6 next season but the same squad and same transfer strategy next season and we will probably finish in the bottom half. UTB

good points.. but.. coutts ‘is’ premier class.. it would have cost us 5mill to replace him. that’s why our team was built round him

 

[metalblade]

Since the ridiculous 5-4 Fulham home game we have picked up 30 points in 26 games a truly shocking return and if extrapolated over 46 games is likely to leave a team in a relegation fight. We can't kid ourselves. As much as it pains me to say it "momentum" did carry us though the first fifteen games of the season and since then we've played at about our level which is mid to bottom half championship team. There is no shame in that but the the club is at a bit of crossroads. The board have to decide what direction the club is heading.Wilder has done a great job of unearthing some good talent in the lower leagues but for the most part players are playing in league 1 because thats their level. You can't build an 11 solely from the lower leagues and expect to compete in the top of the championship. Paul Coutts is a decent footballer but he is not the premier league maestro many seem to claim he is. Lets not forget he's had one good season in league 1 and 12 good games in the Championship in a career of over 10 years. Im not saying we need to spend 100s of millions but we do perhaps need to start shopping in John Lewis rather than TJ Hughes if we are to be competing at the right end of the Championship next season. Our only two real outstanding players are Fleck and Duffy and unfortunately, Duffy is not at the age to build a team around. If the money is there to spend, it needs to be 2 or 3 quality additions. Not the farce we saw in the JTW where Wilder seemed to chase quantity over quality. None of the moves have really worked out besides Evans. Two quality signings and a bit of wilder magic may see us top 6 next season but the same squad and same transfer strategy next season and we will probably finish in the bottom half. UTB

I agree with the sentiments of the post but to suggest Coutts has only had 12 good games at Championship level is laughable he was the star man at Preston and had offers to move when they got relegated, all his games for Derby were at Championship level most of his career he has been an above average Championship player we only got him as he was recovering from a bad injury. I do fear for us if we don't invest this summer like you say form since December over a full season would have us firmly in the bottom six.

 

[mosbolad]

If you extrapolate the points we gained against Birmingham on Saturday for the whole season we would 'of' ended up with.......erm.....

 

[John Street West Terrace]

That’s why you look at the table in May after 46 games & playing everyone home & away instead of dissecting months or short runs of results .

I for one wasn’t getting carried away with the the we’re gonna win the league merchants after the Wolves at The Lane and neither one of the post Christmas we’re doomed squad who seem to have The Samaritans programmed in on redial .The same people if we’d had the season in reverse would now be extolling our virtues as next seasons Chamions elect.

We are where we are because that’s a fair reflection of the season & the table at the end doesn’t lie , the lads & the management have given it their best but at present we don’t have the depth & quality to compete with the top sides over 46 games .

Things could be a shite site worse as we all know and have been up until recent times

UTB

 

[Esablade]

 

[The Vicar]

That’s why you look at the table in May after 46 games & playing everyone home & away instead of dissecting months or short runs of results .

I for one wasn’t getting carried away with the the we’re gonna win the league merchants after the Wolves at The Lane and neither one of the post Christmas we’re doomed squad who seem to have The Samaritans programmed in on redial .The same people if we’d had the season in reverse would now be extolling our virtues as next seasons Chamions elect.

We are where we are because that’s a fair reflection of the season & the table at the end doesn’t lie , the lads & the management have given it their best but at present we don’t have the depth & quality to compete with the top sides over 46 games .

Things could be a shite site worse as we all know and have been up until recent times



A very fair reflection on the season I would say. Disappointing ultimately, but fair.

UTB

 

[mattbianco1]

We would currently be 17th on 50pts. Not relegation form, but far away from the early season form.

It's 1.15pts per game.

Barnsley in 22nd are averaging 0.88pts per game.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If we could get our hands on Jota and Maghoma we’d be helluva team...

 

[oldblade]

But why would you need to extrapolate it over 46 games when the games prior to that generated points? The season didn't start at the fulham game, it started in August.

Also, the Fulham game was the first one that we played after the Coutts injury. It was the start of the only really poor run that we've had - a five match sequence where we took only one point. The last of those five games was the 1-0 defeat at Preston. Since then we have taken 29 points from 22 games. Mid table form , rather than relegation form.

 

[GuangzhouBlade]

But why would you need to extrapolate it over 46 games when the games prior to that generated points? The season didn't start at the fulham game, it started in August.

The reason you extrapolate any data to make future predictions and note trends? I was wanting to make a point with regards to our form since that point in time and say that it simply hasn't been good enough. 30 games is a huge sample size in a 46 game season and I'm just worried that unless we make some key signings and get off to a flyer in August we may find ourselves in the bottom half next season that's all. Not bashing Wilder or any individuals just trying to present a fact which supports my opinion that we are a mid table championship side at best not one pushing for promotion. A fact now supported by the league table after 44 of 46 games of the season

 

[John Street West Terrace]

On last seasons second half of season form and points tally both Reading & Wedsneday are nailed on certs for promotion or at least a top six finish in 2017/18 .....??

 

[SwissBlade]

The reason you extrapolate any data to make future predictions and note trends? I was wanting to make a point with regards to our form since that point in time and say that it simply hasn't been good enough. 30 games is a huge sample size in a 46 game season and I'm just worried that unless we make some key signings and get off to a flyer in August we may find ourselves in the bottom half next season that's all. Not bashing Wilder or any individuals just trying to present a fact which supports my opinion that we are a mid table championship side at best not one pushing for promotion. A fact now supported by the league table after 44 of 46 games of the season

You are extrapolating the data from a period (26 games) where we have had poor results, but ignored the previous 18 games before that, so it makes no sense to do that extrapolation...

If you wanted to extrapolate the 26 or 30 game data, do it from the start of the season because that would be more accurate because you'd be using actual data from the season rather than just the data which proves your argument and thread title... alternatively for the full picture, do it over 44 games and then you can change the thread title to "above Midtable form"

I get the point that we're a midtable side and yes our form has dropped since nov, but the point of extrapolating data was irrelevant when you have 44 data points to analyse.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Asking the board to provide the funds to push us up a few places is a waste of time. I can’t see them providing anything other than league 1 funding again.

 

[Guesty]

You are extrapolating the data from a period (26 games) where we have had poor results, but ignored the previous 18 games before that, so it makes no sense to do that extrapolation...

If you wanted to extrapolate the 26 or 30 game data, do it from the start of the season because that would be more accurate because you'd be using actual data from the season rather than just the data which proves your argument and thread title... alternatively for the full picture, do it over 44 games and then you can change the thread title to "above Midtable form"

I get the point that we're a midtable side and yes our form has dropped since nov, but the point of extrapolating data was irrelevant when you have 44 data points to analyse.

I think part of people's fears are that Coutts won't be the same player when he comes back. Therefore, there's some value is analysing our results without him, because we may be without the player he was from now on.

And on this season's evidence, without Paul Coutts we just aren't that good at football.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think part of people's fears are that Coutts won't be the same player when he comes back. Therefore, there's some value is analysing our results without him, because we may be without the player he was from now on.

And on this season's evidence, without Paul Coutts we just aren't that good at football.

I don't know what we've done to him, but he seems to have lost both his legs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbKgs3gXUAE1xZq.jpg:large

 

[Guesty]

I don't know what we've done to him, but he seems to have lost both his legs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbKgs3gXUAE1xZq.jpg:large

We have the worst medical staff...

 

[singaporeblade]

You are extrapolating the data from a period (26 games) where we have had poor results, but ignored the previous 18 games before that, so it makes no sense to do that extrapolation...

If you wanted to extrapolate the 26 or 30 game data, do it from the start of the season because that would be more accurate because you'd be using actual data from the season rather than just the data which proves your argument and thread title... alternatively for the full picture, do it over 44 games and then you can change the thread title to "above Midtable form"

I get the point that we're a midtable side and yes our form has dropped since nov, but the point of extrapolating data was irrelevant when you have 44 data points to analyse.

i appreciate one should take the season as a whole when extrapolating data, but it is relevant also to understand that the decent period of us playing well and with confidence was at the first part of the season and since then we have been very ''hit and miss'' without any sign of us getting back to our earlier form....this is a worry when we wonder if next season will be any different to the past 26 games....if it is going to be an improvement, where are the signs? With our current pool of players, i don't see it.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think part of people's fears are that Coutts won't be the same player when he comes back. Therefore, there's some value is analysing our results without him, because we may be without the player he was from now on.

And on this season's evidence, without Paul Coutts we just aren't that good at football.

Sure, if that was the point of the thread then i'd accept the reasoning.

However, it seems that the thread was about Duffy and Fleck being the stand out players, so perhaps the extrapolation should be done on the games with and without those two... Perhaps we could do the same for Billy and Leon too because they've got the majority of the goals

 

[SB_90]

I was sort of worried. But then based on fulham form. I saw a 2018 table starting from jan 1st & it had us 9th. & that doesnt account for the mountain of points we've thrown away

 

[raul]

I don't know what we've done to him, but he seems to have lost both his legs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbKgs3gXUAE1xZq.jpg:large

Millwall again?

 

[Bellypork]

Most thought that United would finish 10th -12th.
If United had won a few and lost a few all season long, then people would be perfectly happy.
It's just that United showed promotion form in the first half of the season, and relegation form in the second, and it's the latter which people are complaining about.
But it evens itself out just the same.
If you're winning 1-0 and your opponents equalize in injury time you feel like you've lost.
If you're losing 1-0 and in injury time you equalize, then you feel like you've won.
But in the end the final result is the same, 1-1.