Warnock on Talk Sport

[Sean Thornton]

And I suspect that, in a nutshell, forms a large basis for his attitude on his contract. He probably got the job in the first place because of his links to the club, but I always felt that this was also a factor in terms of pay, resource for the squad etc likely being lower than an equivalent manager we’d employ. The sort of attitude of “Here’s your contract, and here’s your budget. Don’t like it? You know where the door is.” – with the board confident he’d put up with it because he was a fan that wouldn’t leave the club. You saw signs of this when McCabe was asked about whether Wilder would get a new deal last year – I believe his words were “Chris already has a good contract.” Thankfully we extended it ultimately.

He was at Bury before us wasn't he? Don't think they would be the biggest payers and it was a huge step up from them. Assuming he got an increase, its fair to assume it was a pretty big leap. We can all surmise - and do - to make our points fit the argument though. Is the Wilder analogy serious though?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He was at Bury before us wasn't he? Don't think they would be the biggest payers and it was a huge step up from them. Assuming he got an increase, its fair to assume it was a pretty big leap. We can all surmise - and do - to make our points fit the argument though. Is the Wilder analogy serious though?

About potentially taking Wilder for granted because of his Bladeyness? I think there’s absolutely the same danger of that happening at some point.

 

[Sean Thornton]

At the time my memory of the Nugent thing was that Warnock did not think he was worth the fees.
Of course there is normally a correlation between outlay and the quality of the players, but Warnock appeared not to want to spend high. Was this his decision or the board, we will never know.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/c...859/Liverpool-rejection-was-Nugents-spur.html


£6m bid repelled by PNE apparently.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

He was at Bury before us wasn't he? Don't think they would be the biggest payers and it was a huge step up from them. Assuming he got an increase, its fair to assume it was a pretty big leap. We can all surmise - and do - to make our points fit the argument though. Is the Wilder analogy serious though?

He turned up at BDTBL in a United tie when he managed Bury. We played them in a televised game if memory serves me correctly. I thought at the time that it was a bit of a twattish thing to do.

 

[Sean Thornton]

About potentially taking Wilder for granted because of his Bladeyness? I think there’s absolutely the same danger of that happening at some point.

But that's based purely on your opinion that McCabe did the same with Warnock. Nothing else.

 

[stringer]

Not the most intelligent post you've ever made. Is there a point?

Yeah, did he leave for Pompey or did he take SUFC into the Premier League?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

But that's based purely on your opinion that McCabe did the same with Warnock. Nothing else.

Yes. It’s almost as though this is a forum for differing opinions!

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Only popular with fans who were more interested in results than their manager's eyebrows though to be fair.

When it comes to blades brow action, this guy takes some beating. Bushy moving towards mono.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yeah, did he leave for Pompey or did he take SUFC into the Premier League?

Please point out where anyone said he got the Pompey job. Other than Neil obviously.

He went for an interview and said he'd got it.

As I said, was there an actual point?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes. It’s almost as though this is a forum for differing opinions!

Shush!

 

[Sean Thornton]

When it comes to blades brow action, this guy takes some beating. Bushy moving towards mono.

Mouth breather as well .

 

[stringer]

Please point out where anyone said he got the Pompey job. Other than Neil obviously.

He went for an interview and said he'd got it.

As I said, was there an actual point?

Think he can be slagged for a lot of things but after spending 8 years here, a lack of loyalty isn’t one of them. Especially for a job he didn’t leave for, in a season when he was the first manager since Bassett (and only one since) to win promotion to the top flight.

 

[ljk]

All Tevez talk aside, we got 1 point away from home from the last 30 points available. Also why we went down.

That's a miserable record.

The Aston Villa away game is often mentioned, but the match that sticks out in my mind was Bolton away. They were playing like an away side, hoofing it up to a largely unsupported Kevin Davies, and we just sat back, persisting with an ultra-defensive five across midfield.

To play devil's advocate, another explaination might be that we really weren't good enough to even finish where we did, and we massivley overperformed at home, buoyed by the atmosphere. Very few members of that team went on to be successful in the Premier League.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Think he can be slagged for a lot of things but after spending 8 years here, a lack of loyalty isn’t one of them. Especially for a job he didn’t leave for, in a season when he was the first manager since Bassett (and only one since) to win promotion to the top flight.

He didn't get the job. He's the only one who ever said he did. ( Well plus you now) It's hardly a great leap of faith to believe McCabe might have got on the blower to Mandaric. ( Who has always denied offering him the job)

As for the length of time he spent here, his stock was nowhere near as high as it is now. Let's not pretend up to promotion clubs were falling all over themselves to get him ( is that in his book?) because they weren't.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

That's a miserable record.

The Aston Villa away game is often mentioned, but the match that sticks out in my mind was Bolton away. They were playing like an away side, hoofing it up to a largely unsupported Kevin Davies, and we just sat back, persisting with an ultra-defensive five across midfield.

To play devil's advocate, another explaination might be that we really weren't good enough to even finish where we did, and we massivley overperformed at home, buoyed by the atmosphere. Very few members of that team went on to be successful in the Premier League.

A little harsh. Kenny, Jags, Stead, Kilgallon & Quinn all played PL football post Utd. CKR played & scored in a champs league 1/4 final. Hulse after fully recovering from his broken leg was a highly competent championship striker.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

In today’s Guardian, he is quoted as follows:

“...when we got promoted, within 24 hours I got a letter from the club saying they were going to take my option up but with no increase in wages, just incentives. That knocked me for six.”

So did he say "it knocked me for six"? Or did he say "I lost interest" or did he say both?
It seems odd that The Guardian would leave that bit out when they're quoting him directly.

I read on here the other day that Warnock had given no praise to United when interviewed on Sky.
I watched the interview myself and there he was saying loud and clear how well United had played.

I've even read on here invented hypothetical quotes that Warnock maybe would have said if we'd won/lost on Monday Night:-

E.g. "I even said before the match that if Cardiff had have won, I was expecting him to come out with some self serving drivel like ‘I still think Sheffield United fans wish they had never let me go’.

E.g. "I'd like to bet that he wouldn't have (said we were the better team) if they hadn't got that last minute equaliser".


It's difficult to know what to believe when it comes to Warnock quotes.
Certain people put their own spin on what he's said based on their antipathy towards him.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

To play devil's advocate, another explaination might be that we really weren't good enough to even finish where we did, and we massivley overperformed at home, buoyed by the atmosphere. Very few members of that team went on to be successful in the Premier League.

For virtually the whole season we were favourites for relegation, and there had been predictions on a par with Derby’s awful season as something we were destined to repeat, what with our squad full of Championship players and a manager out of his depth. As fans I think we got a bit carried away at the position we were in after a decent spell with the games left to come, and then ultimately when we fell into the relegation zone it was deemed a complete failure, when in reality we had already surpassed many expectations pre-season and were a single goal away from what would have been a great season. Failure yes, but far from an embarrassment as some would have you believe, and there were some fantastic moments in the season too.

 

[Lane Ender]

He wasn't supported by the board ,we tried to do it on the cheap. If it hadn't been for the Hulse injury and Tevez we would have done it too ,mainly due to Warnock and not the board.

We,re trying to get out of this league on the cheap as well.

 

[Booker4]

Loved Warnock when he was here and some of my favourite seasons as a Blade were with him in charge. Full of admiration for the amazing job he did at Rotherham and is doing at Cardiff.

Totally aware that he's self-centred and will say whatever suits him at the time.

Think it's possible to recognise his flaws and also believe he did a great job at Bramall Lane.

Sticks in the throat a little when bitter ex-Blades like Jamie Hoyland are saying things like 'I can never understand how Blades fans can hold his teams in the same regard as Harry's'. Both teams had heroes in them - Deane, Agana, Hodges, Jagielka, Tonge, Brown - and I don't see why we have to choose one or the other. Not a list Hoyland will ever find himself on.

I've never heard Hoyland say that but not saying you're lying mate, I'd be interested to hear why he's said that.

As for Warnock, in my view he didn't have to stay when we got promoted and he could of said that's a crap offer, I want to discuss a better one and/or longer. Guessing he didn't from his comments but maybe he did. As others have said we actually spent a reasonable amount at the time. Yes we could have spent more but his transfers were mixed as well but he fails to mention that he spent 6 million on Claude Davis, Fahti and Shelton. I get the Davis purchase who was one of the best centre halves in the Championship but the other two weren't what we needed but he obviously thought they might have come off and we'd have thought what a buy to be fair.

We all know that Warnock loves to praise himself and rarely accepts his own mistakes. He blames everything on the ref and I can't imagine what he'd have said had Cardiff being denied a pen or free kick like we were with Lee Evans. However I till like the guy as he is entertaining and gave us some fantastic memories. He's not much of a Blade which is a shame given he should be more popular than he is with our fan base but he never gets that his own actions and/or behaviour meant our own fans never fully took to him. I loved him at the time and you can see Cardiff fans love him too but when Warnock retires he'll always be remembered for his time with us. I do think McCabe could have offered him a better deal when we got promoted, but it was clear that McCabe was in two minds to keep Warnock. If we'd not given him a new deal though the players would have no doubt being insecure and uncertain and it was Warnocks team at the end of the day.

I really hope we meet them in the play offs, that would be very interesting! I really can see Wolves wining tonight and Fulham closing the gap to two points which will be very interesting to see how Cardiff respond.

 

[Esablade]

For virtually the whole season we were favourites for relegation, and there had been predictions on a par with Derby’s awful season as something we were destined to repeat, what with our squad full of Championship players and a manager out of his depth. As fans I think we got a bit carried away at the position we were in after a decent spell with the games left to come, and then ultimately when we fell into the relegation zone it was deemed a complete failure, when in reality we had already surpassed many expectations pre-season and were a single goal away from what would have been a great season. Failure yes, but far from an embarrassment as some would have you believe, and there were some fantastic moments in the season too.

I remember watching the away game at Fulham ( which I hoped would be our first win) and thinking 'Bloody 'ell, their players are giants compared to Tongy and our lot...we were in for a bumpy ride!'..beating Arsenal and Spurs were highlights mind!

 

[Davalon]

Loved Warnock when he was here and some of my favourite seasons as a Blade were with him in charge. Full of admiration for the amazing job he did at Rotherham and is doing at Cardiff.

Totally aware that he's self-centred and will say whatever suits him at the time.

Think it's possible to recognise his flaws and also believe he did a great job at Bramall Lane.

Sticks in the throat a little when bitter ex-Blades like Jamie Hoyland are saying things like 'I can never understand how Blades fans can hold his teams in the same regard as Harry's'. Both teams had heroes in them - Deane, Agana, Hodges, Jagielka, Tonge, Brown - and I don't see why we have to choose one or the other. Not a list Hoyland will ever find himself on.

I'm nearly 45 and Hoyland played in the best Sheffield United team I've ever seen, if not in the pretty passing sense.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Warnock was supported by the board in the Premiership season. At no point did his position seem to be under threat. That season was frustrating, I remember us at man city who where utter shit that day, and us not going for the win. In the Premiership he is out of his depth.
Very disappointed with the man.

That Man City game sticks in my mind. They were there for the taking if we had tried to win the game

 

[Davalon]

On the after dinner circuit Warnock floats the idea that the board's derisory contract was to get him to resign on principal because McCabe knew how unpopular sacking him would be.

Said Turry rung him in advance to warn of the letter and how poor the offer was.

Paying to listen to that cunt is a mistake I won't make again. That night confirmed that he's no proper Blade whatever the brainwashed or his friends will have you believe.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So did he say "it knocked me for six"? Or did he say "I lost interest" or did he say both?
It seems odd that The Guardian would leave that bit out when they're quoting him directly.

I read on here the other day that Warnock had given no praise to United when interviewed on Sky.
I watched the interview myself and there he was saying loud and clear how well United had played.

I've even read on here invented hypothetical quotes that Warnock maybe would have said if we'd won/lost on Monday Night:-

E.g. "I even said before the match that if Cardiff had have won, I was expecting him to come out with some self serving drivel like ‘I still think Sheffield United fans wish they had never let me go’.

E.g. "I'd like to bet that he wouldn't have (said we were the better team) if they hadn't got that last minute equaliser".


It's difficult to know what to believe when it comes to Warnock quotes.
Certain people put their own spin on what he's said based on their antipathy towards him.

Could be two separate interviews.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Regards our managers honesty goes along way

Bassett- at the time I’d never known us have a manager as honest. When we were poor he was angry and admitted we were poor. I remember him once saying if he was a fan paying to watch that he’d want a refund. He used to talk about giving 100% for the club and acted like a fan, many similarities to Wilder.

Warnock: Spoke really well when we won often taking credit for his tactics but when we lost he always looked to blame anything, the pitch, the ref, the cheating opposition. Sore loser and I can’t remenber him ever taking the blame for his own bad tactics.

Robson: his post match comments used to really depress me because they were the same every single match and had no relation to the match that we’d just played. It felt like he’d lost the plot.

Wilson: won me over as a decent bloke, always honest but seemed to be a worrier and gave the opposition too much respect.

Clough- always seem self assured and possibly arrogant. Even when we were poor he always highlighted the positives making it sound like we were making progress. His tactics were over cautious.

Adkins- loved his initial upbeat positivity then even after some terrible performances he still gave the same really positive post match interviews began to think that like Robson he might be losing the plot, sometimes his interviews had no relation to the match I’d just seen.

Wilder- it’s like having Bassett back in charge as we have our club back. Wilder is very honest, he says it as it is, he’s maybe too honest but even if he fails here like Bassett he’ll always be highly thought of in my eyes.

 

[Grappler]

NW is the master of self publicity, we all know that. Because Sky TV camera's were at BDTBL on Monday night, he wanted to make sure he stole the limelight, hence his pitch side arguments with the linesman and the ref, etc.

But still, I think back to the promotion year with him, to the top flight, and it brings a smile. We were good value for money that season, and went into every game without fear.

The prem season itself, well, we all know what happened, but you can't change history.

 

[Sean Thornton]

On the after dinner circuit Warnock floats the idea that the board's derisory contract was to get him to resign on principal because McCabe knew how unpopular sacking him would be.

Said Turry rung him in advance to warn of the letter and how poor the offer was.

Paying to listen to that cunt is a mistake I won't make again. That night confirmed that he's no proper Blade whatever the brainwashed or his friends will have you believe.

He changes his stories more often than he does his pants. He was offered the Pompey job he said, but while kissing Pompey fansarses some years later, he claimed his was "pipped" by Harry Redknapp.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....eveals-pompey-managerial-regret-1-8145994/amp



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ll-news/warnock-stays-with-blades-1598981.amp

 

[Grappler]

Regards our managers honesty goes along way

Bassett- at the time I’d never known us have a manager as honest. When we were poor he was angry and admitted we were poor. I remember him once saying if he was a fan paying to watch that he’d want a refund. He used to talk about giving 100% for the club and acted like a fan, many similarities to Wilder.

Warnock: Spoke really well when we won often taking credit for his tactics but when we lost he always looked to blame anything, the pitch, the ref, the cheating opposition. Sore loser and I can’t remenber him ever taking the blame for his own bad tactics.

Robson: his post match comments used to really depress me because they were the same every single match and had no relation to the match that we’d just played. It felt like he’d lost the plot.

Wilson: won me over as a decent bloke, always honest but seemed to be a worrier and gave the opposition too much respect.

Clough- always seem self assured and possibly arrogant. Even when we were poor he always highlighted the positives making it sound like we were making progress

Adkins- loved his initial upbeat positivity then even after some terrible performances he still gave the same really positive post match interviews began to think that like Robson he might be losing the plot, sometimes his interviews had no relation to the match I’d just seen.

Wilder- it’s like having Bassett back in charge as we have our club back. Wilder is very honest, he says it as it is, he’s maybe too honest but even if he fails here like Bassett he’ll always be highly thought of in my eyes.

You forgot David Weir mate "...we won't be making an offer to Marlon King...", the following week, he arrived, I honestly think Weir thought that him saying "no, I don't want him", to the board, had some clout.........

And who could forget Mickey "death march" Adams?, every interview got progressively more depressing, sounding more and more like a man giving his final interview, before a long, slow, walk to the gallows........

 

[Sothall_Blade]

On the after dinner circuit Warnock floats the idea that the board's derisory contract was to get him to resign on principal because McCabe knew how unpopular sacking him would be.

Said Turry rung him in advance to warn of the letter and how poor the offer was.

Paying to listen to that cunt is a mistake I won't make again. That night confirmed that he's no proper Blade whatever the brainwashed or his friends will have you believe.

Sounds like a plausible theory to me.

Why should Warnock not be upset that he didn't get a pay rise from United after promotion to The Premiership?
How much did United gain financially from promotion and the TV money and the increased attendances?
Would it have been unreasonable for them to reward the manager who gained promotion with a pay rise?

Are people angry with Warnock for being upset about it?
Or angry that the "not a proper Blade" stayed despite United's failure to reward him?
Why is he the bad guy in this situation?

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Kilgallon.

With a sharp stick.

Ah yes, the " Rolls Royce " centre half to quote Colin.

Are you trying to give me sleepless nights again ?