Whiteman returns

[Tunstall Fred]

Frederick,
I get a distinct sense that you enjoy being a contrary, contradictictory & argumentative fellow.
I'll wager that you indulge in exuberant celebration on the (rare) occasion that your chosen Association Football Club actually achieves something ( scoring goals, winning games, gaining promotion & the like) - horrendously bad form in my opinion
May I request that you desist forthwith ?
Thanks awfully

Duly noted Sir

 

[Sean Thornton]

I have a pitchfork in my hand,waving it angrily in your direction,another one burying his head in the sand,dont you read Pedro's Winger enlightened posts?

He'll just about be coming round about now. Buckle up!

 

[Lil red rooster]

bring him back as cover in case we're not successful in the window ,if we are successful then loan him back out at the end of the window.
it's slightly worrying as it doesn't sound to optimistic as far ss recruitment goes.

 

[siblade]

I was hoping we'd have some early business done as Wilder wanted but it doesn't look like we succeeded and it'll be down to the last week as ever!

It is a worry, it's the 4th of Jan ffs come on Wilder pull your finger out of your arse.

 

[Booker4]

It is a worry, it's the 4th of Jan ffs come on Wilder pull your finger out of your arse.

Wilder's not the issue here! It was clear he wanted business done early, he said that all through December. I'm just saying that it doesn't sound positive from today's interview. The budget he has is clearly not good enough, as many have said and since we're in the hunt for the top 6 I think the budget is pretty poor, especially given the monies received from the sell ons on Walker and Maguire. I know that money is tight but the transfer fees we've paid speaks volumes that he isn't receiving the backing he deserves.

 

[BushBlade]

bring him back as cover in case we're not successful in the window ,if we are successful then loan him back out at the end of the window.
it's slightly worrying as it doesn't sound to optimistic as far ss recruitment goes.

No point in having an academy if we're not going to use any of the kids that come through it. Last season was a 'get out of the league at all costs' scenario but at some point we have to build for the future. The more we can bring through the academy the more money we have to spend on other players. So, it makes sense to have a look at where Whiteman is in terms of development.

Imagine you're KM/Prince and CW is asking for money for a midfielder. The first question you'd ask is 'do we have a kid who we can develop' because you've spent a shit load of money on the academy. I'd rather hear 'we've had a look at Whiteman and he's not quite ready yet, we think he'd benefit from continuing at Donny' than 'not sure but don't want to risk it'. Or, even better, 'yes, Whiteman is good enough for the squad and could play a couple but he's not quite ready to be a first team regular and if we lose Lundy or Fleck for any length of time it's going to be costly'. Managers have to manage owners as well as players.

 

[siblade]

Wilder's not the issue here! It was clear he wanted business done early, he said that all through December. I'm just saying that it doesn't sound positive from today's interview. The budget he has is clearly not good enough, as many have said and since we're in the hunt for the top 6 I think the budget is pretty poor, especially given the monies received from the sell ons on Walker and Maguire. I know that money is tight but the transfer fees we've paid speaks volumes that he isn't receiving the backing he deserves.

But essentially you're just guessing, you don't know the budget, you don't know he isn't receiving the backing, you don't know what business might already be virtually done. All this by the 4th day of a 31 day month when probably 80% of all deals are done on the last day because the selling club dictate it be that way.

Did you watch the video made at the last window, it isn't that easy this transfer lark, clubs, agents and players all make it a bit of a lottery.

 

[BushBlade]

Wilder's not the issue here! It was clear he wanted business done early, he said that all through December. I'm just saying that it doesn't sound positive from today's interview. The budget he has is clearly not good enough, as many have said and since we're in the hunt for the top 6 I think the budget is pretty poor, especially given the monies received from the sell ons on Walker and Maguire. I know that money is tight but the transfer fees we've paid speaks volumes that he isn't receiving the backing he deserves.

What managers tend to get isn't based on what they deserve but what the club can afford. Even if we finish in the top six we only have a one in four chance of succeeding and there's a fair chance we'd have to play a club with three times our wage bill in a one off game where realistically, the other side just has to turn up and play to their best and they'll beat us. Like Hull did to the pigs.

We're not just asking the owners to put their hands in their pockets once, we're asking for them to keep putting their hands in their pockets, as they have done for a number of years, this year, next year and every year until we go up. As frustrating as it is, there's a limit to that. At times that's going to piss Wilder off because he's a Blade like us but he understands the situation and will get on with it. Whatever we spend now will probably be negated by our rivals spending even more.

 

[finlaytheblade]

How many times do we have to repeat !!!
Wilder words he won't pay inflated fees for players he has known for sometime.e what his budget is and says he will get the maximum he can with it.Can't we put this to bed for the time being and let him get on with it.

 

[Booker4]

But essentially you're just guessing, you don't know the budget, you don't know he isn't receiving the backing, you don't know what business might already be virtually done. All this by the 4th day of a 31 day month when probably 80% of all deals are done on the last day because the selling club dictate it be that way.

Did you watch the video made at the last window, it isn't that easy this transfer lark, clubs, agents and players all make it a bit of a lottery.

Yeah I did watch it, and it showed how frustrating it is and how agents determine far too much in transfers, often for their own game. However we left it to the last minute. Why did we leave it till the last minute? Because Wilder doesn't have the budget to spend on bigger player in-comings, which he deserves, so we have to wait for last minute deals that come up, or we have to wait till the end before another club crumbles and says ok, we'll do a deal now etc. That's my view, you can disagree, fine each to his own, we're all Blades here.

When you talk about how do I know the budget isn't enough? The fact that Wilder talks about player wages being among the lowest in the league and how are transfer fees are similar to what Barnsley pay says it all. Don't get me wrong, I really like McCabe and I'd much rather McCabe than a foreign chairman, but I think Wilder isn't being backed this January. That's my view based on everything you look at and hear. I hope I'm wrong but it reminds me of Harry under Reg Brearley in the 1990's, scraping for bargains and players that other clubs have overlooked. We should be backing the best manager in this league and we'd be right up there this season, as we've proved already but the squad isn't deep enough and needs additions. The second spot really is up for grabs.

 

[I should coco]

Wilder words he won't pay inflated fees for players he has known for sometime.e what his budget is and says he will get the maximum he can with it.Can't we put this to bed for the time being and let him get on with it.

Absolutely not!

We need to know what the budget is right now.

This is important for our ability to accuse McCabe of all kinds of theft and larceny offences when we find out it is not £25m.

It also has the added bonus of tipping off Rug-Ron or whatever Sarfend's chairman is called, so that he can up Lenny's price.
Thus if we still want Lenny, the price will go well north of £1m rather than the £750k offered.

Whilst on the face of it, this may seem a waste of money to pay over the odds, it will mean we are buying 'million pound players' and thus offer succour to the giddier elements of our fan base.

You know it makes sense.

 

[Booker4]

How many times do we have to repeat !!!
Wilder words he won't pay inflated fees for players he has known for sometime.e what his budget is and says he will get the maximum he can with it.Can't we put this to bed for the time being and let him get on with it.

Its January and a new window, I'm not alone in thinking he isn't being backed now. Me debating the budget is my right as a fan. Let me explain my reasoning: in the summer I could understand a more conservative approach as we were new comers. But now we have a genuine chance of promotion, even the top two, we proved that against so many teams this season. But this team just needs two or three quality players and I think the board with the Prince, are not backing a manager as he could be. Wilder not paying inflated transfer fees is great but he also has said he'd love to spend more than he has being given, and ok what manager wouldn't, but talk of loans and one permanent transfer which we're struggling to do, and didn't get over the line in the summer, will cost us, and already has with the lack of depth when Coutts got injured.

 

[Pinchy]

I also think he could do a job at rwb until Freeman recovers, better than bash anyway. Leave him at rcb

Why do you think that? You’re guessing, aren’t you?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Glad he has been recalled. Hope he gets an opportunity.

He scores from outside the box and isn't afraid to shoot - which is not something present midfield players do in abundance.

Is he a game changer for central midfield? Who knows, but we had zero cover and with CW giving Southend an ultimatum of next week with Leonard, then chances are it will fall through.

We just need probably 1 more for CM - we can't afford to get caught out with injuries or suspensions.

UTB

 

[Booker4]

Absolutely not!

We need to know what the budget is right now.

This is important for our ability to accuse McCabe of all kinds of theft and larceny offences when we find out is not £25m.

It also has the added bonus of tipping off Rug-Ron or whatever Sarfend's chairman is called, so that he can up Lenny's price.
Thus if we still want Lenny, the price will go well north of £1m rather than the £750k offered.

Whilst on the face of it, this may seem a waste of money to pay over the odds, it will mean we are buying 'million pound players' and thus offer succour to the giddier elements of our fan base.

You know it makes sense.

Not sure if this is aimed at me, but I never said I want Wilder to say what his budget is and Ron doesn't need to go on a fans forum to know what our limit is! He knows from months of negotiating what the rough parameters are, it might be more than its stumbling over a sell on fee percentage or the percentage that is paid up top. I'm a level headed fan by the way, I don't expect us to go and spend 10 million this window but I do expect us to go and pay the odds for players Wilder wants and if that breaks the million pound bracket then that's hardly big spending by this league is it!?

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Its January and a new window, I'm not alone in thinking he isn't being backed now. Me debating the budget is my right as a fan. Let me explain my reasoning: in the summer I could understand a more conservative approach as we were new comers. But now we have a genuine chance of promotion, even the top two, we proved that against so many teams this season. But this team just needs two or three quality players and I think the board with the Prince, are not backing a manager as he could be. Wilder not paying inflated transfer fees means is great but he also has said he'd love to spend more than he has being given, and ok what manager wouldn't, but talk of loans and one permanent transfer which we're struggling to do, and didn't get over the line in the summer, will cost us, and already has with the lack of depth when Coutts got injured.

Lot of common sense there.
It was an underwhelming interview from Wilder who sounded a bit resigned to having little room for manoeuvre.
When we're 7th in the league and struggling to sign a player from Southend, he's right to be frustrated.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Lot of common sense there.
It was an underwhelming interview from Wilder who sounded a bit resigned to having little room for manoeuvre.
When we're 7th in the league and struggling to sign a player from Southend, he's right to be frustrated.

Hours away from resigning

 

[Booker4]

Hours away from resigning

I don't think things are that bad too be fair, unless you know something I don't Fred?!

 

[I should coco]

Not sure if this is aimed at me,

Not specifically, but if the cap fits....

I'm a ;level headed fan by the way, I don't expect us to go and spend 10 million this window but I do expect us to go and pay the odds for players Wilder wants and if that breaks the million pound bracket then that's hardly big spending by this league is it!?

I really can't argue with that level of common sense. Regardless of what the budget is, penny pinching won't end well here if it ends up pissing off Lenny too.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I don't think things are that bad too be fair, unless you know something I don't Fred?!

Come on all the signs are there,underwhelming interview,Board split and will not give him any money,Ben Whiteman returned, making it very clear we will not be signing any players,Brooks pretending he has glandular fever

 

[Pinchy]

Not sure if this is aimed at me, but I never said I want Wilder to say what his budget is and Ron doesn't need to go on a fans forum to know what our limit is! He knows from months of negotiating what the rough parameters are, it might be more than its stumbling over a sell on fee percentage or the percentage that is paid up top. I'm a level headed fan by the way, I don't expect us to go and spend 10 million this window but I do expect us to go and pay the odds for players Wilder wants and if that breaks the million pound bracket then that's hardly big spending by this league is it!?

What if he doesn’t think the player in question is worth a million pounds? The market doesn’t or someone would have paid it by now.

Maybe Tufty is more cautious with other people’s money than the high financiers on here?

 

[him behind you]

It is a worry, it's the 4th of Jan ffs come on Wilder pull your finger out of your arse.

Problem is, Wilder can't currently have time to sign anyone because he's sorting out his CV in readiness for putting in his application for one of several jobs he has his eyes on due to our lack of ambition.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Problem is, Wilder can't currently have time to sign anyone because he's sorting out his CV in readiness for putting in his application for one of several jobs he has his eyes on due to our lack of ambition.

One of those being a very lucrative job,6 miles away

 

[I should coco]

Come on all the signs are there,underwhelming interview,Board split and will not give him any money,Ben Whiteman returned, making it very clear we will not be signing any players,Brooks pretending he has glandular fever

It's worse than we thought. McCabe has even stolen the spaces after your punctuation!

 

[Booker4]

What if he doesn’t think the player in question is worth a million pounds? The market doesn’t or someone would have paid it by now.

Maybe Tufty is more cautious with other people’s money than the high financiers on here?

Fair enough but I would like to see greater evidence that he is being backed this January and not needing loans of no doubt inexperienced players that make mistakes and we give them back having increased their value.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Think this is a good decision to have a look at him over January.

He’s certainly got the goal scoring knack from midfield - something we have certainly been missing.

We are very short in midfield and I think he could certainly be an option off the bench. He’s got some game time in leagues 1 and 2 so we can see how he progresses given the chance at the next level.

My concern is wether he’s actually nailed down what type of midfielder he is?

This.

We have a young midfielder on our books who has been in decent form with plenty of potential. GIVIMARUN. When we're lacking midfield, why not bring him back and have a look?? Put it this way, Whiteman being back at the club isn't going to prevent a big money, first-choice centre mid arriving.

 

[Booker4]

Come on all the signs are there,underwhelming interview,Board split and will not give him any money,Ben Whiteman returned, making it very clear we will not be signing any players,Brooks pretending he has glandular fever

Is this an ironic post by any chance?! If not, I don't think he will resign.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Fair enough but I would like to see greater evidence that he is being backed this January and not needing loans of no doubt inexperienced players that make mistakes and we give them back having increased their value.

It is the 4th of January,try a little patience,our next league game is 8 days away

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Is this an ironic post by any chance?! If not, I don't think he will resign.

Well you believe it when Pedro's Winger posts the same garbage

 

[I should coco]

What if he doesn’t think the player in question is worth a million pounds?

It's public knowledge we offered £750k so paying £250k 'over the odds' to maintain a promotion challenges doesn't exactly seem excessive largesse.

This for the midfield, where have already lost Coutts to injury, Brook(e)s to Galanduar-sunburn-flu and Carruthers to crapness.

GERRIMIN