CCV

[Pinchy]

I hope you’re right, but I am a little bit concerned that there’s a hint of needing to play him to justify the money spent – a la Akinbiyi being selected over the consistently effective Shipperley back in 2006.

I hope it’ll be more like the Clarke situation, where this time last year he looked less effective than the players he was replacing yet it was clear Wilder wanted to get him in a starting role. That has ultimately turned out ok, but took I’ve no doubt far longer than CW had intended.

Yes, I understand what you say. I am not suggesting that RS has been outstanding. He hasn’t. Injury hasn’t permitted it for a start. The spiteful and juvenile attitude of some towards him, an accomplished pro and an acknowledged leader on and off the pitch, based on little more than that they prefer their own favourite, I find despicable I’m afraid.

As for Leon, I would argue that ‘ok’ is faint praise indeed!

 

[BushBlade]

I hope you’re right, but I am a little bit concerned that there’s a hint of needing to play him to justify the money spent – a la Akinbiyi being selected over the consistently effective Shipperley back in 2006.

I hope it’ll be more like the Clarke situation, where this time last year he looked less effective than the players he was replacing yet it was clear Wilder wanted to get him in a starting role. That has ultimately turned out ok, but took I’ve no doubt far longer than CW had intended.

I don't quite agree with that analysis, from memory Ships had dropped off a bit and once Akinbiyi had shown he wasn't really the answer Ships came back. Warnock had to at least give him time to settle in, which he did.

I think it's the same with Stearman, Wilder will give him games to show he's up to it and if he doesn't, he won't play.

 

[Pinchy]

I think it's the same with Stearman, Wilder will give him games to show he's up to it and if he doesn't, he won't play.

I agree with that, entirely. I’m not welded to Stearman like the Shakey Jakies are to their favourite.

Wilder won’t hesitate, if necessary, to bring in another Centre-Back in January. Whatever you or I may think, he clearly wants an upgrade on Jake Wright. A big strong leader (Jake isn’t any of those; Stearman is) to anchor the back three whilst the two on either side of him are given licence to thrill (sorry, I know that last bit is tabloid standard).

 

[true99blade]

He is a better player. You Shakey Jakies are so obsessed with your man you are blinded to the obvious, and certainly to his errors.

You know, footballers find their own level. Jake Wright has had his season in the sun and did superbly well, playing way above anything he’d ever done before. That’s to his enormous credit and I admire him greatly. However, sentiment has no part to play in professional football.

I’m so thankful that Tufty is in charge of selection rather than you Shakey Jakies. I saw off the similarly obsessed Runarounders last time out. This will be no different.

I’m hoping Stearman plays tonight because he’s better than Wright. However, if Wright plays he’ll get my full support. That’s the difference between us Blades and you Jakies.

The team is better with Jake Wright in it than it is with Richard Stearman in it. I also happen to think Wright is a better player of the role in the centre of defence. Not hating on Stearman, and not ignoring any errors made by Wright so far this season. If Stearman starts, of course he’ll get my support, no more or no less than Wright would - as would any Blade. So am I a “shakey Jakey” (you make for some cringey reading with these phrases) or am I a Blade like you, my Lord?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Yes, I understand what you say. I am not suggesting that RS has been outstanding. He hasn’t. Injury hasn’t permitted it for a start. The spiteful and juvenile attitude of some towards him, an accomplished pro and an acknowledged leader on and off the pitch, based on little more than that they prefer their own favourite, I find despicable I’m afraid.

As for Leon, I would argue that ‘ok’ is faint praise indeed!

Sorry, I know it's been said before, but that's the Dean Hammond argument - that because a player's been "an accomplished pro and an acknowledged leader on and off the pitch" then they'll inevitably continue to be so. No denying you're right about Stearman's accomplishment & leadership qualities, but those were exactly what Hammond brought along with him.

Maybe there's scepticism brought about by the experience of Hammond? And maybe folks can see Jake Wright's own accomplished performances this season (not faultless, but certainly classy & especially so over recent games) & his self-evident leadership qualities?

Doesn't it all come down to - if someone merits inclusion (as Wright did on Saturday, based on recent performance) then his replacement has got to show why he justified displacing him (which Stearman didn't on Saturday)?

 

[Pinchy]

Sorry, I know it's been said before, but that's the Dean Hammond argument - that because a player's been "an accomplished pro and an acknowledged leader on and off the pitch" then they'll inevitably continue to be so. No denying you're right about Stearman's accomplishment & leadership qualities, but those were exactly what Hammond brought along with him.

Maybe there's scepticism brought about by the experience of Hammond? And maybe folks can see Jake Wright's own accomplished performances this season (not faultless, but certainly classy & especially so over recent games) & his self-evident leadership qualities?

Doesn't it all come down to - if someone merits inclusion (as Wright did on Saturday, based on recent performance) then his replacement has got to show why he justified displacing him (which Stearman didn't on Saturday)?

You make your point well, as ever. In return I’ll be blunt. Jake Wright isn’t good enough for a team with aspirations of promotion from the Championship. He’ll be a bit-part substitute by the end of January, replaced by either Stearman or a newcomer.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m a Blade, not welded to Richard Stearman or anyone else. That’s not true of the Shaky Jakies who simply can’t cope with anyone who threatens their unlikely hero’s place, so actively hope for mistakes from Stearman. If Wright plays tonight he gets my 100% support. I’m afraid that doesn’t apply to the SJs in relation to Stearman and that is beneath contempt.

 

[Pinchy]

I should add that the continuing and unrelenting obsession with Dean Hammond by people who enthused over the hapless maestro of non-football, Nick Montgomery, for ten long and tortuous years never fails to elicit a wry smile...

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

You make your point well, as ever. In return I’ll be blunt. Jake Wright isn’t good enough for a team with aspirations of promotion from the Championship. He’ll be a bit-part substitute by the end of January, replaced by either Stearman or a newcomer.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m a Blade, not welded to Richard Stearman or anyone else. That’s not true of the Shaky Jakies who simply can’t cope with anyone who threatens their unlikely hero’s place, so actively hope for mistakes from Stearman. If Wright plays tonight he gets my 100% support. I’m afraid that doesn’t apply to the SJs in relation to Stearman and that is beneath contempt.

You might well be right about Wright ending up a bit-part player, the way he's cast aside regardless of performance does make you think that's Wilder's thinking. Maybe that's progress. But in terms of Jake Wright being good enough, I reckon you're denying the evidence of your own eyes.

I read on here recently (can't remember who said it) about Stearman being brought in as "insurance" for Wright because of doubts about him being able to step up yet another level, which I tend to agree with. And, if Stearman hadn't have got injured against Cardiff, we'd probably be lauding him for having moved seamlessly into that leadership role. But, while he's been absent, Wright definitely has stepped up &, if anything, seems to be getting better.

Very much doubt there are loads out there dying for Stearman to fail. More a case, I'd say, of post-Hammond doubt, a buying in to Wilder's philosophy of hunger/aspiration over reputation, and Stearman having yet to demonstrate why he warrants deposing a class like Jake Wright.

 

[HermitageBlade]

Stearman did the player interview this week, I suspect he’ll play if that’s any indication?

I would hope so. Without doubt Stearman can bring the ball out of defence where Jake doesn't but I get an uncomfortable feeling about Stearman and agree with deadbats assessment of him. Jake just SITS in defence and organises and does his usual 2 or 3 touches and for all of our fans differing opinions - Jake BRINGS steadiness to the team.

UTB

 

[RealMcCoy]

Stearman did the player interview this week, I suspect he’ll play if that’s any indication?

Yeah, I had the same thought when I saw it.

 

[Snowman]

He is a better player. You Shakey Jakies are so obsessed with your man you are blinded to the obvious, and certainly to his errors.

You know, footballers find their own level. Jake Wright has had his season in the sun and did superbly well, playing way above anything he’d ever done before. That’s to his enormous credit and I admire him greatly. However, sentiment has no part to play in professional football.

I’m so thankful that Tufty is in charge of selection rather than you Shakey Jakies. I saw off the similarly obsessed Runarounders last time out. This will be no different.

I’m hoping Stearman plays tonight because he’s better than Wright. However, if Wright plays he’ll get my full support. That’s the difference between us Blades and you Jakies.

Typical Pinchy post. Try and rubbish it by calling people with another valid opinion silly names. Grow up. Anyway from where I am sat this freezing Friday night that goal was down to your man not coming out and closing down. I know someone who would have been there rather than back pedalling.

 

[Snowman]

You make your point well, as ever. In return I’ll be blunt. Jake Wright isn’t good enough for a team with aspirations of promotion from the Championship. He’ll be a bit-part substitute by the end of January, replaced by either Stearman or a newcomer.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m a Blade, not welded to Richard Stearman or anyone else. That’s not true of the Shaky Jakies who simply can’t cope with anyone who threatens their unlikely hero’s place, so actively hope for mistakes from Stearman. If Wright plays tonight he gets my 100% support. I’m afraid that doesn’t apply to the SJs in relation to Stearman and that is beneath contempt.

Rubbish. Usual Pinchy straw man argument. I am beginning to think you really are not too bright or simply malicious.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm beginning to wonder if it's a case of 'use him or lose him' with CCV. It would be easy to say just let him go, but it's then a case of brining in a player who can fit into our system to replace him.

 

[Slim Man]

I'm beginning to wonder if it's a case of 'use him or lose him' with CCV. It would be easy to say just let him go, but it's then a case of brining in a player who can fit into our system to replace him.

He can go. What’s so good about him anyway?

 

[wizadry]

He can go. What’s so good about him anyway?

He got hooked off today due to Basham not being a wing back and Wilder getting his teamsheet wrong. Stearman and JOC got bullied, yes bullied by one man, CCV is the least of our problems when you consider he’s from a well drilled club when it comes to Youngun’s. CCV will go back now which will be a shame imo.

If I was him I’d be well pissed off today.

 

[robbiez666]

He can go. What’s so good about him anyway?

1. We have to find another young loan player to replace him who is as good.
2. We'd get a reputation which might put clubs off loaning us there players

 

[Slim Man]

1. We have to find another young loan player to replace him who is as good.
2. We'd get a reputation which might put clubs off loaning us there players

And? Shouldn’t be that hard, CCV just isn’t up to it.
We wouldn’t get that reputation at all. Look how many games he’s played.

 

[Harry's Game]

He got hooked off today due to Basham not being a wing back and Wilder getting his teamsheet wrong. Stearman and JOC got bullied, yes bullied by one man, CCV is the least of our problems when you consider he’s from a well drilled club when it comes to Youngun’s. CCV will go back now which will be a shame imo.

If I was him I’d be well pissed off today.

I hope he is pissed off. I was pissed of when three times he failed to cover the wingback before slipping on his arse in the build up to the goal.

 

[Clarkey87]

He got hooked off today due to Basham not being a wing back and Wilder getting his teamsheet wrong. Stearman and JOC got bullied, yes bullied by one man, CCV is the least of our problems when you consider he’s from a well drilled club when it comes to Youngun’s. CCV will go back now which will be a shame imo.

If I was him I’d be well pissed off today.

Well, add CCV into that list as well because before he was taken off, he too was bullied by that same one player.
And the change had to be made to get Basham off that right side because (through no fault of his as it isn’t his position!) he was struggling massively.


CCV may come good in the future but he is still raw and top end championship isn’t the place to develop his trade at this moment in time. He has, in previous games, made too many mistakes, which at this level don’t go unpunished. I would liked to have seen him use his physique to bully strikers that come up against us, but it hasn’t matisrialised.

I wouldn’t want to see him go back in January, as he has stuff to offer us, but as a cover.

 

[robbiez666]

And? Shouldn’t be that hard, CCV just isn’t up to it.
We wouldn’t get that reputation at all. Look how many games he’s played.

I'm glad you think it shouldn't be too hard to find a player:

• Who would come to us on loan
• Who we can afford to loan
• Who is good enough to play in a team currently 6th in the Championship
• Who can play RCB in a back 5
• Who can play in our system
• Who has the pace and stamina to get up to support attacks and back to defend
• Who has the skill to overlap, put balls in and shoot

Piece of cake.

 

[wizadry]

Well, add CCV into that list as well because before he was taken off, he too was bullied by that same one player.
And the change had to be made to get Basham off that right side because (through no fault of his as it isn’t his position!) he was struggling massively.


CCV may come good in the future but he is still raw and top end championship isn’t the place to develop his trade at this moment in time. He has, in previous games, made too many mistakes, which at this level don’t go unpunished. I would liked to have seen him use his physique to bully strikers that come up against us, but it hasn’t matisrialised.

I wouldn’t want to see him go back in January, as he has stuff to offer us, but as a cover.

No he wasn’t, Madine stayed over on JOC side with Stearman close by, ALF was on CCV side all the time, it’s made up bullshit mate by many people who don’t watch the match and just have agendas.

Just because CCV came off doesn’t mean he did anything wrong, he didn’t. The man I was more surprised at getting bullied was JOC, he had a mare in that first half.

 

[Slim Man]

I'm glad you think it shouldn't be too hard to find a player:

• Who would come to us on loan
• Who we can afford to loan
• Who is good enough to play in a team currently 6th in the Championship
• Who can play RCB in a back 5
• Who can play in our system
• Who has the pace and stamina to get up to support attacks and back to defend
• Who has the skill to overlap, put balls in and shoot

Piece of cake.

Why does it have to be a loanee?
CCV doesn’t really support attacks either, he’s poor in possession and prone to a clanger at the back.
And as for the last line, what I’m earth has that got to do with CCV? None of our centre halves can shoot.

 

[GuangzhouBlade]

No he wasn’t, Madine stayed over on JOC side with Stearman close by, ALF was on CCV side all the time, it’s made up bullshit mate by many people who don’t watch the match and just have agendas.

Just because CCV came off doesn’t mean he did anything wrong, he didn’t. The man I was more surprised at getting bullied was JOC, he had a mare in that first half.

No Madine started the game on the O'Connell side and wasn't winning all that much in the air after 15 mins or so they swapped over at which point Madine became much more a nuisance up against CCV who once again slipped for the goal

 

[wizadry]

I hope he is pissed off. I was pissed of when three times he failed to cover the wingback before slipping on his arse in the build up to the goal.

Cover the wingback who isn’t a wingback who was also facing the wrong way? Yeah, he should’ve read that.

 

[robbiez666]

Why does it have to be a loanee?
CCV doesn’t really support attacks either, he’s poor in possession and prone to a clanger at the back.
And as for the last line, what I’m earth has that got to do with CCV? None of our centre halves can shoot.

Because Chris has said that he's only looking to bring in one permanent signing.

 

[wizadry]

No Madine started the game on the O'Connell side and wasn't winning all that much in the air after 15 mins or so they swapped over at which point Madine became much more a nuisance up against CCV who once again slipped for the goal

I haven’t seen the goal back but from what I can remember if CCV gets any blame for that then I don’t know what to say, if you get chance just watch Bashams positioning, it’s all wrong and sends us tits up.

Oh, and JOC had a mare against him in that first half, all the way through.

 

[Toronto Blade]

I wonder if taking CCV off is that Wilder already knows he is going back.
Or did he not do well in training ,ill carrying a knock who knows.

 

[Slim Man]

Because Chris has said that he's only looking to bring in one permanent signing.

That could easily change if CCV goes back

 

[SteveBlade]

I'm glad you think it shouldn't be too hard to find a player:

• Who would come to us on loan
• Who we can afford to loan
• Who is good enough to play in a team currently 6th in the Championship
• Who can play RCB in a back 5
• Who can play in our system
• Who has the pace and stamina to get up to support attacks and back to defend
• Who has the skill to overlap, put balls in and shoot

Piece of cake.

So we either stick with a player who isn't good enough, or let him go and get someone else in who may or may not turn out to be good enough?

 

[adebo]

If we are going to have stearman as first choice we have jake as back up do we still need CCV. He started well but has struggled for a while just like EEL did last season i wouldn't complain if we sent him back and saved his wages or put them towards a new centre midfielder