The Players We Missed Out on in Summer

[robbiez666]

Leonard
Lenihan
Cole

Are all the players we need right now. It's impressive to see a manager knowing exactly who he needed, even if we missed out.

I'd be back in for all 3 come January 1st.

 

[Bladesman]

We should be able to steal Leonard.

 

[Champagneblade]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

What a bonus it would have been to have Cole or Sinclair to bring on for Sharp to get sone pace alongside Leon.

Same with now. Leonard and Lundstram would be the midfield two for the next three matches if the former was here.

Lenihan would definitely have helped at RCB when Basham was forced to fill in at RWB.

We don’t need expensive replacements, these guys would do just fine.

 

[sheffielder]

I have been told that deals for a CB and Striker have been done but no names given. I can't provide you a link to my source unfortunately. Just checked and I see Lenihan is still out crocked so hoping it's Egan for CB and striker I am guessing would be Cole.

He also said that getting a midfielder has been more difficult and they have knocked on all doors.

 

[robbiez666]

I have been told that deals for a CB and Striker have been done but no names given. I can't provide you a link to my source unfortunately. Just checked and I see Lenihan is still out crocked so hoping it's Egan for CB and striker I am guessing would be Cole.

He also said that getting a midfielder has been more difficult and they have knocked on all doors.

I'm not convinced Egan would join us or Brentwood would sell. Cole sounds likely.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I have been told that deals for a CB and Striker have been done but no names given. I can't provide you a link to my source unfortunately. Just checked and I see Lenihan is still out crocked so hoping it's Egan for CB and striker I am guessing would be Cole.

He also said that getting a midfielder has been more difficult and they have knocked on all doors.

Interesting if other CBs have indeed been lined up which would indicate that CW isn't happy with the current incumbents and unless he just wants to increase numbers that 1 or more are in their way out. Guessing that Heneghan will leave on loan and possibly CCV back to Spurs, I wonder who else hasn't impressed - perhaps Stearman who despite being injured for long parts hasn't pulled up any trees (although I did think he was better on Fri).

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I have been told that deals for a CB and Striker have been done but no names given. I can't provide you a link to my source unfortunately. Just checked and I see Lenihan is still out crocked so hoping it's Egan for CB and striker I am guessing would be Cole.

He also said that getting a midfielder has been more difficult and they have knocked on all doors.

How can deals be done before Jan?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I have been told that deals for a CB and Striker have been done but no names given. I can't provide you a link to my source unfortunately. Just checked and I see Lenihan is still out crocked so hoping it's Egan for CB and striker I am guessing would be Cole.

He also said that getting a midfielder has been more difficult and they have knocked on all doors.

Heard from a Wolves mate a link to Kortney Hause a centre back with them who can’t get near their first team.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

How can deals be done before Jan?

I thought that.
Its was like the Leonard rumour that we have had another bid turned down.
What would happen if Southend had accepted the bid ? What does Leonard do then he can't sign or play for us until January, so does he still play for Southend and risk injury(like from a Fleck like challenge), or does he just sit twiddling his thumbs for 3 weeks.

 

[Ricky]

We haven't needed Lenihan at any stage and Cole would have barely started a game.

 

[sheffielder]

How can deals be done before Jan?

Not everything has to be literal. You can still agree to sign players

 

[Fanny magnet]

You just can't register the players as yours until the window opens but deals are agreed outside the window all the time

It's unusual in that obviously the selling club still wants to play the player and the buying club are sweating on him getting injured

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Given how well we have done, we might be able to attract better calibre of player than we could back in August.

 

[Iceybabey]

I could see a deal for Murphy being agreed before the JTW.

 

[Blade58]

Deals can be agreed but not completed

Unfortunately, they can be a bit like those deals sorted in the last window, until their agent stuck his nose in and asked for a further 50% ........the utter banker

 

[Slim Man]

I think we need to be looking at better now. We need players to come in and make an instant impact rather than works in progress. Don't abandon that method entirely, just not in january mid promotion push for me.

 

[BushBlade]

I think we need to be looking at better now. We need players to come in and make an instant impact rather than works in progress. Don't abandon that method entirely, just not in january mid promotion push for me.

That would be the ideal but I doubt we can afford the transfer fees of those type of players, or their wages. If Fleck went to another championship club in the JTW, how much would you expect him to go for?

 

[Slim Man]

That would be the ideal but I doubt we can afford the transfer fees of those type of players, or their wages. If Fleck went to another championship club in the JTW, how much would you expect him to go for?

That's true, however one would hope the board might want to pull all the stops they can out for Wilder after the wonders he's done for us without getting too silly with it.

 

[boo radley]

Interesting if other CBs have indeed been lined up which would indicate that CW isn't happy with the current incumbents and unless he just wants to increase numbers that 1 or more are in their way out. Guessing that Heneghan will leave on loan and possibly CCV back to Spurs, I wonder who else hasn't impressed - perhaps Stearman who despite being injured for long parts hasn't pulled up any trees (although I did think he was better on Fri).

On Friday he cost us the game because he did not get out with the others. Their goalscorer would have been offside if he had.
Lack of match practice you could say. But he's supposed to be the most experienced.

 

[BushBlade]

That's true, however one would hope the board might want to pull all the stops they can out for Wilder after the wonders he's done for us without getting too silly with it.

So how many players who can make an 'instant impact' do you think we should bring in and how much would they cost in transfer fees and wages?

 

[Mouth of the South]

That's true, however one would hope the board might want to pull all the stops they can out for Wilder after the wonders he's done for us without getting too silly with it.

And there's the rub - what would be the impact on the tight-knit squad should a £5m signing (on related wages) be added to it? If they do not have a suitable approach, attitude, mentality etc. it could quite easily do more harm than good.

I don't think for a second CW will have anywhere near that sort of money to spend but the quandary remains about how to increase the quality of players in the squad (& raise salaries accordingly) without causing collateral damage. IMHO the importance that CW & co place on recruiting players with the right sort of approach, attitude, mentality etc. is absolutely right and will be key to success. By all accounts that would rule out Vela.

 

[FriethBlade]

Mouth if we want to get to the Premiership and then stay there then the wage structure will have to be broken at some point. It' the managers job to do that and sides like Burnley and Stoke have proven over the years it can be done.

Same is true of virtually and business as.it progresses. It's not easy but that's what the manager and his staff get.paid to do.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Mouth if we want to get to the Premiership and then stay there then the wage structure will have to be broken at some point. It' the managers job to do that and sides like Burnley and Stoke have proven over the years it can be done.

Same is true of virtually and business as.it progresses. It's not easy but that's what the manager and his staff get.paid to do.

Agreed it is possible and also required if Utd are to firstly further establish themselves as a Champ club and then hopefully beyond in the higher reaches.

However, I would maintain that dropping someone like Josh Vela, if he was signed for say £5m and put on £20k/week, into the squad at this stage would be more likely to do more harm than good.

 

[Slim Man]

BushBlade It isn't unreasonable in my opinion to want players like Dan Gosling, Andrew Surman on loan from Bournemouth if they aren't getting a game. The likes of Josh Vela from cash strapped Bolton. Luke Murphy from Leeds (if we offered enough they'd terminate his loan at Burton). There's the wage structure but that needs breaking at some point, it's got a ceiling and we could in no way survive in the prem with it for example.

Mouth of the South I'd just echo what Frieth said. That wage structure has served us well, and we have put players on new contracts to bring them up to championship standard wages. Players coming in who are more proven being on slightly more than them wouldn't be an issue.

 

[BushBlade]

BushBlade It isn't unreasonable in my opinion to want players like Dan Gosling, Andrew Surman on loan from Bournemouth if they aren't getting a game. The likes of Josh Vela from cash strapped Bolton. Luke Murphy from Leeds (if we offered enough they'd terminate his loan at Burton). There's the wage structure but that needs breaking at some point, it's got a ceiling and we could in no way survive in the prem with it for example.

Mouth of the South I'd just echo what Frieth said. That wage structure has served us well, and we have put players on new contracts to bring them up to championship standard wages. Players coming in who are more proven being on slightly more than them wouldn't be an issue.

It's not just about the wage structure though, it's about having to pay the wages. For permanent signings that's a three year commitment. The loans from Bournemouth are potentially feasible if we only paid part of their wages but I can't see Bolton selling Vela in the JTW or Leeds selling a player to a rival unless it's big money, which we won't pay.

If we go up we'll change the wage structure but the £100m we get will allow us to do so.

 

[Rob86]

And there's the rub - what would be the impact on the tight-knit squad should a £5m signing (on related wages) be added to it? If they do not have a suitable approach, attitude, mentality etc. it could quite easily do more harm than good.

I don't think for a second CW will have anywhere near that sort of money to spend but the quandary remains about how to increase the quality of players in the squad (& raise salaries accordingly) without causing collateral damage. IMHO the importance that CW & co place on recruiting players with the right sort of approach, attitude, mentality etc. is absolutely right and will be key to success. By all accounts that would rule out Vela.

I agree the wages are going to be the most important factor in any dealing. Transfer fees less so as Wilder can just say look we've got £5M players on £X per week. If and an unlikely if, we do spend £5M on a player they wouldn't be instantly the most valuable player in the squad anyway. It'd be a club record but I wouldn't sell Basham, Fleck, JOC, Brooks or Stevens (& Coutts prior to injury) for less than £5M.

 

[loyalblade95]

BushBlade It isn't unreasonable in my opinion to want players like Dan Gosling, Andrew Surman on loan from Bournemouth if they aren't getting a game. The likes of Josh Vela from cash strapped Bolton. Luke Murphy from Leeds (if we offered enough they'd terminate his loan at Burton). There's the wage structure but that needs breaking at some point, it's got a ceiling and we could in no way survive in the prem with it for example.

Mouth of the South I'd just echo what Frieth said. That wage structure has served us well, and we have put players on new contracts to bring them up to championship standard wages. Players coming in who are more proven being on slightly more than them wouldn't be an issue.

wasn't luke murphy linked with us in the summer last year

 

[8lade]

With respect to wages, it was my understanding that clubs who are likely to move between divisions had, for want of a better phrase "divisional bonus' ".
So for example when Ben Heneghan signed he may have had a contract worth 1k/week with 1k/week bonus for Lg 1, 2k/week bonus for Ch and 4k/week bonus for Prem.
Of course if we were to sign an established Championship player his basic maybe 4k with bonus of 1k/4k/16k. At this point we are still adhering to a wage structure but it would not prohibit being more attractive to better players.
No need to renegotiate deals, the club lives (better) within it's means, incentive for players for promotion and an ability to sign better quality players without spending too much too soon.

 

[robbiez666]

With respect to wages, it was my understanding that clubs who are likely to move between divisions had, for want of a better phrase "divisional bonus' ".
So for example when Ben Heneghan signed he may have had a contract worth 1k/week with 1k/week bonus for Lg 1, 2k/week bonus for Ch and 4k/week bonus for Prem.
Of course if we were to sign an established Championship player his basic maybe 4k with bonus of 1k/4k/16k. At this point we are still adhering to a wage structure but it would not prohibit being more attractive to better players.
No need to renegotiate deals, the club lives (better) within it's means, incentive for players for promotion and an ability to sign better quality players without spending too much too soon.

£4k? An established Championship player is likely to be on at least £15k, surely?

 

[8lade]

£4k? An established Championship player is likely to be on at least £15k, surely?

I was just being speculative to demonstrate the theory of how I thought contracts worked. (Also it would be 8k).