CCV

[sitwell]

You’re the king of dodging questions.

So do you rate Stearman or not?
How expensive he was is completely irrelevant

A man who has played over 400 games almost exclusively in the top 2 divisions ,of course I do? Or is that irrelevant too ?

 

[Slim Man]

A man who has played over 400 games almost exclusively in the top 2 divisions ,of course I do? Or is that irrelevant too ?

He wasn’t wanted by either Wolves or Fulham this summer. One his parent club, the other who had agreed a deal to sign him and regened on it.

Dean Hammond had played plenty of games at this level... so yes it is pretty irrelevant.

 

[Rodley]

A man who has played over 400 games almost exclusively in the top 2 divisions ,of course I do? Or is that irrelevant too ?

But at least it was decent craic down London Bridge Sitters.

 

[Slim Man]

But at least it was decent craic down London Bridge Sitters.

Best pals are we?
Do you rate Stearman too?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Getting back to topic...

CCV needs taking out of the firing line now. He’s making too many mistakes, and his confidence looks low.

 

[Snowman]

A man who has played over 400 games almost exclusively in the top 2 divisions ,of course I do? Or is that irrelevant too ?

You're only as good as your last game. Tiger Woods looked a 20 handicap hacker when he came back recently. Never saw you as a Pinchy clone Mr Sitwell. Not seen the game today but I do question the insertion of a player into a side because he (a) cost more than another player and (b) played at a higher level. So did Jimmy Johnstone when we signed him but he was still a player on the downward slope with an alcohol problem.

 

[Slim Man]

You're only as good as your last game. Tiger Woods looked a 20 handicap hacker when he came back recently. Never saw you as a Pinchy clone Mr Sitwell. Not seen the game today but I do question the insertion of a player into a side because he (a) cost more than another player and (b) played at a higher level. So did Jimmy Johnstone when we signed him but he was still a player on the downward slope with an alcohol problem.

Dean Hammond example and he seemed to have disappeared.

 

[Slim Man]

Getting back to topic...

CCV needs taking out of the firing line now. He’s making too many mistakes, and his confidence looks low.

Exactly. Some players bounce back from setbacks, some need taking out the team for a bit. I’ve seen since that backpass for Fulham a player who’s absolutely on his arse confidence wise.

 

[sitwell]

You're only as good as your last game.

Is the probably the most stupid cliché ever. We will only have 2 first teamers to choose from next week.

 

[sitwell]

Exactly. Some players bounce back from setbacks, some need taking out the team for a bit. I’ve seen since that backpass for Fulham a player who’s absolutely on his arse confidence wise.

And what about OConnells fuck up today ,how long should he be dropped for ? As for Leon surely he must never play again

I knew when we eventually had a couple of hiccups there would be a ridiculous reaction ,and I knew who it would be from ,so predictable ,so pathetic.

 

[Slim Man]

And what about OConnells fuck up today ,how long should he be dropped for ? As for Leon surely he must never play again

I knew when we eventually had a couple of hiccups there would be a ridiculous reaction ,and I knew who it would be from ,so predictable ,so pathetic.

They are literally incomparable to Stearman. What on earth do you rate him so much for? I’d love to know why. Just his price tag?

 

[snootyfenooty]

They are literally incomparable to Stearman. What on earth do you rate him so much for? I’d love to know why. Just his price tag?

Stearman cost somewhere between £0.5m & £1m depending on who you believe. That's a lot in SUFC-speak but world beaters cost a bit more than that so I don't think you can use his price tag as a stick to beat him with.

 

[Snowman]

Is the probably the most stupid cliché ever. We will only have 2 first teamers to choose from next week.

Noooo. Not quite. I refer to performance not to team selection. I wasn't there but let's say Stearman played crap. Last game = crap. Selection poser for next game. Do I play someone who has 400 games at this level (some of which will have been crap)? Or do I select on form?. Your argument appears to be 9 out of 11 played crap so we deselect those 9. That's not what I said or what a manager does. Let's say 9 played shit. They did. Let's say it is indisputable. The fact remains that the last game they played they were shit. You now have to decide whether previous form/class will return or whether they have lost it or that someone else is fitting better or even (God forbid) there isn't anyone who can improve the position. The fact remains that for performance purposes you are only as good as your last game.

 

[Slim Man]

Stearman cost somewhere between £0.5m & £1m depending on who you believe. That's a lot in SUFC-speak but world beaters cost a bit more than that so I don't think you can use his price tag as a stick to beat him with.

I’m not using his price stick to beat him with. He beats himself with his inability.

 

[LJBlade]

Coming from the bloke who rates Stearman.

One good game and you’ll be singing the praises of Stearman yourself, it’s what you do

 

[coolhandluke]

I’m not using his price stick to beat him with. He beats himself with his inability.

Stearman the new Basham is he Maybe if we moved him to RWB things would get better . Well he is a defender

 

[Slim Man]

One good game and you’ll be singing the praises of Stearman yourself, it’s what you do

Highly doubt we’ll see a good game from him to put that to the test unfortunately for you.

 

[LJBlade]

Highly doubt we’ll see a good game from him to put that to the test unfortunately for you.

Why is it unfortunate for me? I’d have thought one of our players playing badly wouldn’t have been good news for any of us but then I’m not desperate to be right all the time.

 

[Slim Man]

Stearman the new Basham is he Maybe if we moved him to RWB things would get better . Well he is a defender

Stearman playing centre mid is he?

 

[coolhandluke]

Stearman playing centre mid is he?

He has to cos Carruthers at RWB has left a hole there that needs filling

 

[Deadbat]

There's a lot of over reaction to a poor day at the office. Clarke has been amazing recently but was really poor today. Ditto Stevens, O'Connell. Some fans need to back the players that have got us 4th in the league. We can criticise them for playing poorly today but does not mean they should be completely panned as many have on here.

The only player who has played well in last 3 every game if Fleck. We have had maybe 3 or 4 good performances v Fulham; 6 or 7 v Brum and then today maybe 2 or 3 at best. When you have a few off their form/game then you inevietably hit a sticky patch. I think what has irked Wilder more than just mistakes/misplaced passes or poor decisions is we have got outworked at times recently. He will not allow that.

The only point I would make re Stearman is he has played say 5 or 6 games so far and not sure I have seen him play well yet this season. Indeed, we have lost 3 of the 4 he has started - granted he went off v Cardiff. He is been very injury prone and not had the impact Wilder had hoped for. Decent pedigree but not convinced at all in a red and white shirt yet regardless of what he has done before, cost; what Wilder thought he would bring. Hoping he may come good of course.

It's a long season and we are not even half way through. Plenty of time for players form to come good and equally to dip of course.

 

[robbiez666]

Stearman needs a run of games to get himself up to speed and the only position I think he can play in is Wright's. Unfortunately for him, his return coincides with the defence being shocking. He's not slotting into a confident 3. Do you play him with the risk of errors and unsettling the others, but in the hope he'll reproduce past form or stick with Wright.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Stearman needs a run of games to get himself up to speed and the only position I think he can play in is Wright's. Unfortunately for him, his return coincides with the defence being shocking. He's not slotting into a confident 3. Do you play him with the risk of errors and unsettling the others, but in the hope he'll reproduce past form or stick with Wright.

The back 3 defenders shouldn't be altered as much as they are.

Baldock and Freeman injuries were unlucky at the same time meaning our only Mr Utility had to be moved to RWB.

They should be un-moveable and especially away from home we should temper our attacking somewhat. We can still be effective like we were v the pigs.

There was only one winner v Millwall until they scored the 2nd which seemed to just deflate the majority of our players.

We need to play smarter - away from home.

UTB

 

[BladesOnToast]

just got home from the game. how naive i was, clicking this thread hoping to comment on CCV.

for me his was the stand-out poor display (of several). Numerous errors that could have resulted in a goal for them. looks out of confidence, out of luck.

 

[Snowman]

OK, let's call a spade a shovel. CW didn't expect JW to step up. He expended (for us) big bucks bringing in Stearman for that position. His injury put a blot on that plan. Ever since he has been itching to get him in. It's like a Pinchy argument. He has played all his career at a higher level so he is a better player. GERRIMIN!. Bollocks. He isn't a better player. If we believed all that bollocks Lafferty would be playing rather than Enda who spent most of his career in the 3rd. Time CW stopped being clever Trevor again. I don't bow down to the CW is God thing.

 

[sitwell]

They are literally incomparable to Stearman. What on earth do you rate him so much for? I’d love to know why. Just his price tag?

You only read the bits you want to, can you explain 400 games in the top 2 divisions or is that simply beyond you? And what the fuck has any of this to do with Dean Hammond? Stearmans first 6 games are comparable with coutts, Leon's and flecks do you not understand how players need to get bedded in or would you have got rid of them too? The likes of you are what's wrong with football these days, no patience, no idea and the answer to everything is just get rid and replace great way to build a team, like I said predictable and pathetic

 

[sheffielder]

You only read the bits you want to, can you explain 400 games in the top 2 divisions or is that simply beyond you? And what the fuck has any of this to do with Dean Hammond? Stearmans first 6 games are comparable with coutts, Leon's and flecks do you not understand how players need to get bedded in or would you have got rid of them too? The likes of you are what's wrong with football these days, no patience, no idea and the answer to everything is just get rid and replace great way to build a team, like I said predictable and pathetic

Just because a man has played 400 games in the Championship, it doesn't mean he still has it. Personally I have no issue with Stearman and think he's a good signing, but maybe today was the wrong time to chuck him back in, considering how well Wright has done. CCV needs Wright more than ever till we get Basham back home

 

[robbiez666]

The back 3 defenders shouldn't be altered as much as they are.

Baldock and Freeman injuries were unlucky at the same time meaning our only Mr Utility had to be moved to RWB.

They should be un-moveable and especially away from home we should temper our attacking somewhat. We can still be effective like we were v the pigs.

There was only one winner v Millwall until they scored the 2nd which seemed to just deflate the majority of our players.

We need to play smarter - away from home.

UTB

Whilst I can understand the pressure to play Brooks, I don't agree with playing him as a second striker. He's entirely ineffective up there. It's a difficult one. I can see why Wilder might not want to play Sharpe and Clarke away from home but Brooks needs to be behind a sole striker. It's not really Clarke's strength and possibly only Donaldson is comfortable up there. But play one striker and our main attacking threat, from crosses, is weakened.

I know what you're saying about the back 3 but I'm not sure who else could play RWB at the moment.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Whilst I can understand the pressure to play Brooks, I don't agree with playing him as a second striker. He's entirely ineffective up there. It's a difficult one. I can see why Wilder might not want to play Sharpe and Clarke away from home but Brooks needs to be behind a sole striker. It's not really Clarke's strength and possibly only Donaldson is comfortable up there. But play one striker and our main attacking threat, from crosses, is weakened.

I know what you're saying about the back 3 but I'm not sure who else could play RWB at the moment.

RWB is a big dilemma agreed - we have just been unlucky with Baldock & Freeman and I suppose it was a calculated gamble by CW.

It's not as if it hasn't worked either - we have just not had Geoffrey Boycott levels of concentration in defence.

CW is quick to say we weren't good enough in a number of games - QPR/Fulham/Millwall - be we had oodles of possession to have actually won all three of those games.

We need that extra bit of quality - sadly we are not in that ball game at the moment as it costs money.

What is clear - and I look back at Barnsley last season - they took a dip after the JTW after selling 3 players and never recovered. We HAVE the JTW in which to do something positive - even if it's to put pressure on the ones with the shirt.

NW cocked up our JTW when last in the Prem - we need CW to come good and pull some more good management skills out of the bag starting next Friday.

UTB

 

[Bruce Wayne]

CCV can go back in January, cost us lots of goals points, even when we have got a result he's still made several ricks.