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Yeah Gray has been signing our praises for a while.

Something else that must really be hurting Wednesday fans is that some of their former players are saying how well we are doing.
 
They appointed him manager then set about forming a transfer committee. He's been fucked over since the day he arrived. If the situations were reversed, and we'd had a 5-year head start and spent 10's of millions and were seeing our rivals above us in the league playing great football, while we played shit every week (and I don't just mean this season), I think I'd be focusing my energy on those higher up the food chain.

Still, despite being fairly inoffensive for a Wednesday manager, I'd still find it amusing if he got sacked. Especially if they get Megson in.
 
Flawed said:
They appointed him manager then set about forming a transfer committee. He's been fucked over since the day he arrived. If the situations were reversed, and we'd had a 5-year head start and spent 10's of millions and were seeing our rivals above us in the league playing great football, while we played shit every week (and I don't just mean this season), I think I'd be focusing my energy on those higher up the food chain.

Still, despite being fairly inoffensive for a Wednesday manager, I'd still find it amusing if he got sacked. Especially if they get Megson in.
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Not forgetting we're a pub team above the tramps.
 
When Carlos goes they will demand their own version of Wilder and they’ll get Gary Megson. It’ll be worth it just for the return of PaddysMad photoshopping skills
 
Flawed said:
They appointed him manager then set about forming a transfer committee. He's been fucked over since the day he arrived. If the situations were reversed, and we'd had a 5-year head start and spent 10's of millions and were seeing our rivals above us in the league playing great football, while we played shit every week (and I don't just mean this season), I think I'd be focusing my energy on those higher up the food chain.

Still, despite being fairly inoffensive for a Wednesday manager, I'd still find it amusing if he got sacked. Especially if they get Megson in.
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I wouldn't find it amusing if Carlos was sacked. I'd be gutted. Keep him there he's doing a fine job of splitting the fans right down the middle - let em keep on with the squabbling and piss poor results. A new man coming in might give em a new focus and someone for them all to get behind. Carlos to stay for me.
 



Carlos getting the wednesday job 3 years ago equates to someone getting the managers job at a BHS shop in terms of a future
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Absolutely beautiful that! First heard it on YouTube whilst watching a video about “Rotherham in the 1950’s”. It’s a composition by a Chinese composer and I forgot the name of it now, but truly a masterpiece imo.
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Sad Romance by Thao Nguyen Xanh

And for no reason

 
Weasel said:
I wouldn't find it amusing if Carlos was sacked. I'd be gutted. Keep him there he's doing a fine job of splitting the fans right down the middle - let em keep on with the squabbling and piss poor results. A new man coming in might give em a new focus and someone for them all to get behind. Carlos to stay for me.
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Statistically, does getting a new manager in work? Looking at our own recent history, I'd suggest (on the majority of occasions) it does not.

It's an interesting debate. There are occasions where changing manager will almost certainly work, especially when he's lost the dressing room (i.e. Robson). I honestly don't follow their fortunes enough to know whether he has or hasn't, but I've not heard it claimed anywhere (yet).

I have to be honest, he's done far better for them that I ever suspected he would (when he was appointed I tipped them on here for relegation). Replacing him really could go either way.
 
Flawed said:
Statistically, does getting a new manager in work? Looking at our own recent history, I'd suggest (on the majority of occasions) it does not.

It's an interesting debate. There are occasions where changing manager will almost certainly work, especially when he's lost the dressing room (i.e. Robson). I honestly don't follow their fortunes enough to know whether he has or hasn't, but I've not heard it claimed anywhere (yet).

I have to be honest, he's done far better for them that I ever suspected he would (when he was appointed I tipped them on here for relegation). Replacing him really could go either way.
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Statistically, I'm not sure it does but the stats are skewed as failing clubs tend to sack their managers on a regular basis. Replacing a crap manager with a good one does work, we've seen that over the last two years.

Whether it will work for them depends on who they get in, what kind of control he insists on and luck. If Wilder was a pig, does anyone really think he wouldn't be able to go in there and sort them out? The question is, can they find someone as good as him and get him into the club? My guess is probably not but they could drop lucky.
 
since1889 said:
Come here George!
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Not as daft as it sounds, I was told by someone who works in a senior position in the Pigs youth setup that we have asked the question. The same bloke told me that having a decent youth prospect at the Pigs is a waste of time as they won't get near the first team, bloke was demoralised himself as he said there was no route to the first team for the kids they bring through, the chairman being the culprit not the manager.
 
derekacorah said:
Not as daft as it sounds, I was told by someone who works in a senior position in the Pigs youth setup that we have asked the question. The same bloke told me that having a decent youth prospect at the Pigs is a waste of time as they won't get near the first team, bloke was demoralised himself as he said there was no route to the first team for the kids they bring through, the chairman being the culprit not the manager.
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That would be hilarious, especially if he got some first team game time with us.
 
BushBlade said:
Statistically, I'm not sure it does but the stats are skewed as failing clubs tend to sack their managers on a regular basis. Replacing a crap manager with a good one does work, we've seen that over the last two years.

Whether it will work for them depends on who they get in, what kind of control he insists on and luck. If Wilder was a pig, does anyone really think he wouldn't be able to go in there and sort them out? The question is, can they find someone as good as him and get him into the club? My guess is probably not but they could drop lucky.
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This is the key. If they go down the fashionable route it will be a foreigner or some tried and failed journeyman (but still a name) in the mould of Megson, Pardew or McClaren. In this instance they would tank and I would be laughing my head off. If they went left field and got some up and coming manager in the CW mould then I would be a bit more worried. But a massive club is bound to go for the former so I guess I can relax.
 
Flawed said:
They appointed him manager then set about forming a transfer committee. He's been fucked over since the day he arrived. If the situations were reversed, and we'd had a 5-year head start and spent 10's of millions and were seeing our rivals above us in the league playing great football, while we played shit every week (and I don't just mean this season), I think I'd be focusing my energy on those higher up the food chain.
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I think it is only just begining to dawn on them that their wonder saviour, 'Mr Chansiri', might not be the answer to their prayers that they'd thought.

The whole shirt farce is starting to make them realise that he is not some business genius like Richard Branson, but a bit of an amateur who has spunked the best part of £100m and got them nowhere.

"Higher up the food chain" is a very apt phrase. Maybe the Dolphin gods are getting abit of own back, for all those magnificent mammals that have died in catch all tuna nets.......
 
snootyfenooty said:
This is the key. If they go down the fashionable route it will be a foreigner or some tried and failed journeyman (but still a name) in the mould of Megson, Pardew or McClaren. In this instance they would tank and I would be laughing my head off. If they went left field and got some up and coming manager in the CW mould then I would be a bit more worried. But a massive club is bound to go for the former so I guess I can relax.
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I think Pardew could get them up. He's a bellend but he's usually successful to start with, until the players tire of his bellendery. It's OK us saying their players are shit, but the same players got top six two years running. They're playing shit, there's a big difference. Is that due to Carlost? Maybe. Or maybe there's a general malaise around the club. I don't know but I'd rather they don't roll the dice. Agent Carlost is doing fine.
 
Flawed said:
Statistically, does getting a new manager in work?
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Does getting 'foreign investment' work? Obviously at Man. City, yes. But there are several examples where it doesn't. The new owners often want an insane degree of control such as Trillion Trophy Asia who sacked Gary Rowett and replaced him with the exotic-sounding Gianfranco Zola and then the corrupt-sounding Harry Redknapp. Before that, it was another dodgy owner in Carson Yeung (arrested in 2011 for money laundering). Vincent Tan at Cardiff making them change shirts from blue to red. The interfering Allams at Hull illustrate the 'attractiveness' of English football to foreign 'investors':

Sources close to the club say the aim of the Allams, Ehab and his father Assem, who is suffering ill-health, is to make a £40m cash surplus this season, given their small squad and £100m or more gushing in from the Premier League’s lavish 2016-19 TV deals. Such a cash pile can be presented as an asset in the continuing efforts to make a profit from a sale. It could be used to repay some of the £77m the Allams have loaned to the club over their six years of autocratic ownership and used as ballast if City do sink to the thinner waters of the Championship. (Feb. 2017)

So instead of using this wealth to try to get back into the PL, they've 'done an Oyston'.

And, of course, Chansiri. It's obvious he's laid out a fortune thinking that would ensure PL football and the means to renovate the death trap at S6. Alas, he's shot his load and his dream is fading. Fast.
 



grafikhaus said:
o instead of using this wealth to try to get back into the PL, they've 'done an Oyston'.
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Hardly, if it is true that they loaned the club £77m in the first place. They may have alienated the fans with the stupid 'Tigers' nonsense but they spent the money to get Ull up there twice. Oystons, they are not.

grafikhaus said:
And, of course, Chansiri. It's obvious he's laid out a fortune thinking that would ensure PL football and the means to renovate the death trap at S6. Alas, he's shot his load and his dream is fading. Fast.
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I would imagine renovating the death trap is way down his list. Imagine seeing you name on the shirts being displayed all over Thailand and the rest of Asia, in every televised game. For a publicity seeking meglomaniac, it would be heaven. Dream on son, dream on!
 
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