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[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I've considered my position
This bloke Pinchy & me are miles apart.
I will be engaging with him less & less.

 

[mosbolad]

I made a final decision on Little Louis years ago. Mighty Chesterfield seem to be coming to the same conclusion.

You may not rate Reed as a player which of course is your prerogative but why do you feel the need to speak of him (and other academy players) in a derogatory manner? The constant reference to 'Little Louis' clearly used as a put down? It does not advance your argument whatsoever.

But it wasn’t ‘one day’ was It? The Bladey Boybanders were installing him as first name on the team-sheet and awarding him a lifetime contract at a million pounds a minute.

Why do you speak of anyone that disagrees with you in the same derogatory and condescending manner?

It seems that the important thing to you as a poster is attempting to prove yourself correct, to prove your point at any cost, denigrating those that disagree with your opinion (and it is only your opinion) as if this will somehow strengthen your views.

You are a football forum poster, no more, no less, however much you wish to aggrandize your position.

 

[Woodwardfan]

...and concluding that your boy won’t make it, which became perfectly clear, to anyone not wishing on a star, a considerable time ago.

Baw's follow up post has put you even more into context as has Mosbolad above.

 

[UnitedBlade]

If that is so just watch Burton snap up Reed and then sit back and watch him go.

Clough may be interested if they go down but I doubt it.

The vast majority of players we release before they are 21 go into non league football. I can think of only 3 of recent batches that are still playing league football. McGahey at Rochdale, Otis Khan at Yeovil and Diego on loan at Chesterfield. No one goes on to play Championship football.

 

[Baw Heid]

Baw Heid , larkymasher Ball_Sup (Phil)

Not sure you saw the post lads. Thanks again Ball_Sup (Phil).

I can only comment on what I saw on a regular basis watching our under 23s last year. We had a young team of mainly Academy scholars with a very few first team players getting a game . I've said this before but last year the group at under 21 was upgraded to Under 23s and was used by clubs more like a reserve team and so the standard of play became more of a mirror image of the first team.
Reed and Brooks were used on a regular basis and I only saw Reed have a poor performance once when his aggression and tongue got him sent off. The rest of the time he was MOTM or close.
The 23s were more than a match for the teams we played against that included Premier league squads. For some reason Reed, Brooks and Long were withdrawn, usually when we played the closing games in the cups, and the performances were badly affected by their omission..
Reed playing with Regan Slater were hard working and aggressive and boy did they put in a shift in Mid field.
I have always been surprised at some of the negative posts I've read here but no doubt you say it as you see it although a lot of comments do not appear to have watched the boy for some time

 

[Revolution]

Reed is described as "combative" in the review of Chesterfield's home defeat to Accrington in this months When Saturday Comes. Not a word I associate with his play.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Clough may be interested if they go down but I doubt it.

The vast majority of players we release before they are 21 go into non league football. I can think of only 3 of recent batches that are still playing league football. McGahey at Rochdale, Otis Khan at Yeovil and Diego on loan at Chesterfield. No one goes on to play Championship football.

Clough played him regularly in L1 at 17 and 18 years of age. Since then the lad has mot deteriorated, he is a victim of change of managers. He is strong and he's a man now

This lad played with composure and quality for England and not just the odd game.

 

[Baw Heid]

Reed is described as "combative" in the review of Chesterfield's home defeat to Accrington in this months When Saturday Comes. Not a word I associate with his play.

He developed that last year and it lifted his game

 

[Woodwardfan]

Baw's follow up post has put you even more into context as has Mosbolad above.

My post should have read " Ball's follow up post" and now Baw has provided his views which say exactly what I expected. The lad is a player.

 

[Revolution]

He developed that last year and it lifted his game

This remains to be seen at first team level.

 

[mosbolad]

I can only comment on what I saw on a regular basis watching our under 23s last year. We had a young team of mainly Academy scholars with a very few first team players getting a game . I've said this before but last year the group at under 21 was upgraded to Under 23s and was used by clubs more like a reserve team and so the standard of play became more of a mirror image of the first team.
Reed and Brooks were used on a regular basis and I only saw Reed have a poor performance once when his aggression and tongue got him sent off. The rest of the time he was MOTM or close.
The 23s were more than a match for the teams we played against that included Premier league squads. For some reason Reed, Brooks and Long were withdrawn, usually when we played the closing games in the cups, and the performances were badly affected by their omission..
Reed playing with Regan Slater were hard working and aggressive and boy did they put in a shift in Mid field.
I have always been surprised at some of the negative posts I've read here but no doubt you say it as you see it although a lot of comments do not appear to have watched the boy for some time

Agree entirely Baw. I'm a football watching amateur. I can see the the obvious be it good or bad, (it's fair to say I don't see the unseen work.......). In last seasons 23s the obviously good were Reed and Brooks. Reed had the composure in midfield and could spray balls wherever he wanted. Brooks, well, he simply drifted past players, ghosted past with consummate ease. It was a joy to watch.

Brooks has replicated this in the first team but as yet Reed has to really make it stick. Brooks doesn't need my wishes or hopes he is that good as we know. I hope it works out for Reed. It may or may not. But to me there is something special about a lad that has come through our academy from junior to first team. Some call it 'Bladey' as they just don't get it. There is no-one more 'Bladey' than our manager and long may that continue.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Clough played him regularly in L1 at 17 and 18 years of age. Since then the lad has mot deteriorated, he is a victim of change of managers. He is strong and he's a man now

This lad played with composure and quality for England and not just the odd game.

Clough may be interested. England have stopped picking him, he hasn’t been in an England squad for nearly a year. He might have a lower league career, it will probably depend on how it goes for the rest of the season at Chesterfield. I like the way he looks comfortable on the ball but he doesn’t have enough attributes to be forcing his way into our squad.

 

[Ihadadream]

Agree entirely Baw. I'm a football watching amateur. I can see the the obvious be it good or bad, (it's fair to say I don't see the unseen work.......). In last seasons 23s the obviously good were Reed and Brooks. Reed had the composure in midfield and could spray balls wherever he wanted. Brooks, well, he simply drifted past players, ghosted past with consummate ease. It was a joy to watch.

Brooks has replicated this in the first team but as yet Reed has to really make it stick. Brooks doesn't need my wishes or hopes he is that good as we know. I hope it works out for Reed. It may or may not. But to me there is something special about a lad that has come through our academy from junior to first team. Some call it 'Bladey' as they just don't get it. There is no-one more 'Bladey' than our manager and long may that continue.

Anyone who watched the 23’s regular last year will know just how good Brookes and Reedy were last year for that group, but the group as a whole were better than this years in fairness, I never saw Reedy get dominated or overrun in any game last year and he was at the heart along with Brooksey of most of the good things we produced, As for Whiteman I think he could come back in January to add to the squad, I think he is yet to nail down a position and is somewhat similar to Bash with his versatility in both midfield and defence maybe not cultured enough for centre mid in the Championship but as a CB in a 3 he has the ability to be a ball playing CB, if he don’t cut it I would expect Wilder to get a fee for him in the Summer

 

[robbiez666]

People seem to forget that Brooks was destined for a season lian at Chestefield until the last minute. He's been lucky to get a chance (transfer deadline and Carruthers injury) and he's taken it.

I think Whiteman has great potential. If we sign no other midfielders in January I think we should get him back in. A different kind of midfielder to Lundstram and Brooks. Gives uz a different option and will benefit greatly from being involved with the first team.

 

[coolhandluke]

I think a lot of the ' debate ' on this thread stems from crossed wires .

I'm judging the likes of Reed and Whiteman against the level I feel they need to attain to break into our first team . When I do this im not in anyway suggesting they won't enjoy a career in proffessional football if they don't. On the contrary, I'm firmly of the belief that both Whiteman and Reed will enjoy a spell in the proffessional game just not with us .

How well they'll do isn't something I'm all that interested in if I'm honest as they won't be with us .

 

[mosbolad]

I think a lot of the ' debate ' on this thread stems from crossed wires .

I'm judging the likes of Reed and Whiteman against the level I feel they need to attain to break into our first team . When I do this im not in anyway suggesting they won't enjoy a career in proffessional football if they don't. On the contrary, I'm firmly of the belief that both Whiteman and Reed will enjoy a spell in the proffessional game just not with us .

How well they'll do isn't something I'm all that interested in if I'm honest as they won't be with us .

Fair point CHL.

Actually though I do have a passing interest as to how lads that have come through the ranks are doing, be it at lower league levels or the likes of Walker and the obvious one today is Maguire with his first full England cap. Obviously this has no effect on the Blades just an interest to see local lads doing well.

 

[adebo]

I’m guessing the master plan to have Whiteman an active part of our squad in January might be being placed on hold...

Hmmm a week is a long time in football lol Did Wilder go to the keepmoat to compare Whiteman to Leonard if so I guess the chairmans cheque book can stay in his pocket!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Anyone who watched the 23’s regular last year will know just how good Brookes and Reedy were last year for that group, but the group as a whole were better than this years in fairness, I never saw Reedy get dominated or overrun in any game last year and he was at the heart along with Brooksey of most of the good things we produced, As for Whiteman I think he could come back in January to add to the squad, I think he is yet to nail down a position and is somewhat similar to Bash with his versatility in both midfield and defence maybe not cultured enough for centre mid in the Championship but as a CB in a 3 he has the ability to be a ball playing CB, if he don’t cut it I would expect Wilder to get a fee for him in the Summer

Good post but I would say there is no pressure on us to crystallise Whiteman's future this summer unless his contract is up. There seems some uncertainty about his contract though. Whiteman could conceivably play for us at this level and maybe even higher for many years to come.

Folk on here seem dazzled by players we pay fees for. Some of these are reaching Championship level for the first time in their mid-twenties and even later. Whiteman is better than that and personally I'm certain Reed is even more so.

Wilder tried to sign Holmes, Leonard and Cole in the last widow. If he had then Brooks might not have made the bench, in fact he might have gone to Chesterfield. That worries me no end.

By whatever means it takes to achieve the end, we have to have a 'Pathway for Youth'. By no stretch are we too big not to need that.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I think a lot of the ' debate ' on this thread stems from crossed wires .

I'm judging the likes of Reed and Whiteman against the level I feel they need to attain to break into our first team . When I do this im not in anyway suggesting they won't enjoy a career in proffessional football if they don't. On the contrary, I'm firmly of the belief that both Whiteman and Reed will enjoy a spell in the proffessional game just not with us .

How well they'll do isn't something I'm all that interested in if I'm honest as they won't be with us .

Do you mean we might sign their like for a transfer fee when they are 26 to 29 years old instead?

If you're not interested in young Blades now and forever then you should maybe support a big club in the top 6, you may be supporting the wrong type of club.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Good post but I would say there is no pressure on us to crystallise Whiteman's future this summer unless his contract is up. There seems some uncertainty about his contract though. Whiteman could conceivably play for us at this level and maybe even higher for many years to come.

Folk on here seem dazzled by players we pay fees for. Some of these are reaching Championship level for the first time in their mid-twenties and even later. Whiteman is better than that and personally I'm certain Reed is even more so.

Wilder tried to sign Holmes, Leonard and Cole in the last widow. If he had then Brooks might not have made the bench, in fact he might have gone to Chesterfield. That worries me no end.

By whatever means it takes to achieve the end, we have to have a 'Pathway for Youth'. By no stretch are we too big not to need that.

Don't worry.

 

[Woodwardfan]

People seem to forget that Brooks was destined for a season lian at Chestefield until the last minute. He's been lucky to get a chance (transfer deadline and Carruthers injury) and he's taken it.

I think Whiteman has great potential. If we sign no other midfielders in January I think we should get him back in. A different kind of midfielder to Lundstram and Brooks. Gives uz a different option and will benefit greatly from being involved with the first team.

Only if certain players make way for him on the bench. Recent benches have included Carruthers, Sharp, Evans, Moore, Lafferty, Duffy, Lundstram and then there is Thomas available and Freeman, Stearman, Lavery, Hanson all out injured.

Whiteman has to be shoulder to shoulder competing with those players for a place on the bench never mind selected in the team.

 

[Pinchy]

Do you mean we might sign their like for a transfer fee when they are 26 to 29 years old instead?

If you're not interested in young Blades now and forever then you should maybe support a big club in the top 6, you may be supporting the wrong type of club.

I don’t want the same type of club as you and the other Bladey Boybanders, Woody. We’d have a mediocre to poor team full of local youngsters, run on Sunday League Under- 15 philosophies and principles.

We’ve never been a club self-sustained by local players, from Billy Gillespie to Tony Currie and back. In a world shrinking by the day, it ain’t gonna happen going forward, either.

You want youth football? Go and enjoy the 23s and 18s. Leave the first team to those of us that want it to do as well as it possibly can, unfettered by the ball and chain that is parochialism.

Little Louis now occupies a bench close to the bottom of Division Four and falling. His direction of travel is now assured. He’s not good enough; nowhere near.

Ironside..... Ironside.....

 

[8lade]

Pinchy is there any chance you can discuss this like an adult? I've just scrolled down and enjoyed reading the opinions of people and liked half of them but your opening line just made me switch off.

 

[Pinchy]

A full stop isn't a literary device ?

No, it’s a punctuation mark. Grammar and punctuation provide structure to language.

Literary devices are narrative techniques. They include, in addition to satire:

Allegory, euphemism, imagery, personification, metaphor and adumbration. The pathetic fallacy is a notable one, much loved by the Bard of Avon.

 

[Pinchy]

Pinchy is there any chance you can discuss this like an adult? I've just scrolled down and enjoyed reading the opinions of people and liked half of them but your opening line just made me switch off.

The latter, I am afraid, is your sole prerogative and beyond my control.

Your opening question, however is both rhetorical and falsely premised. You may as well next enquire if I have stopped selling Class A drugs.

 

[Fanny magnet]

No, it’s a punctuation mark. Grammar and punctuation provide structure to language.

Literary devices are narrative techniques. They include, in addition to satire:

Allegory, euphemism, imagery, personification, metaphor and adumbration. The pathetic fallacy is a notable one, much loved by the Bard of Avon.

You forgot myth

 

[mosbolad]

I don’t want the same type of club as you and the other Bladey Boybanders, Woody. We’d have a mediocre to poor team full of local youngsters, run on Sunday League Under- 15 philosophies and principles.

We’ve never been a club self-sustained by local players, from Billy Gillespie to Tony Currie and back. In a world shrinking by the day, it ain’t gonna happen going forward, either.

You want youth football? Go and enjoy the 23s and 18s. Leave the first team to those of us that want it to do as well as it possibly can, unfettered by the ball and chain that is parochialism.

Little Louis now occupies a bench close to the bottom of Division Four and falling. His direction of travel is now assured. He’s not good enough; nowhere near.

Ironside..... Ironside.....

You have become your very own cheerleader and a caricature of yourself.

Keep abusing and belittling those posters that disagree with you and maybe have a different point of view. It suits you it really does.

These posters are fellow Blades whom you seek to alienate with cheap putdowns.

Keep up the good work. As if you could do otherwise.

 

[coolhandluke]

Do you mean we might sign their like for a transfer fee when they are 26 to 29 years old instead?

If you're not interested in young Blades now and forever then you should maybe support a big club in the top 6, you may be supporting the wrong type of club.

I'll assume you've either misread or misunderstood what I have to say on the topic of the academy and academy players WWF . I certainly hope so anyway as I'm genuinely at a loss as to why you'd aim such a disrespectful post in my direction .

 

[Caseh]

The latter, I am afraid, is your sole prerogative and beyond my control.

Your opening question, however is both rhetorical and falsely premised. You may as well next enquire if I have stopped selling Class A drugs.

I agree with most of the points you make, but have yet to see you make a post that isn't just plain rude.

 

[Pinchy]

I agree with most of the points you make, but have yet to see you make a post that isn't just plain rude.

Only when I have tried my very best to explain the obvious in simple terms to those who are just plain stupid.