Would foreign referees helpbetter referees from wherever we can get?

[Hodgyman]

Given that we enjoy the improvements that foreign players and managers have made to our game, should we now consider foreign referees to improve the standard of refereeing?.
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Should the whole subject of poor or mistyfying refereeing be sorted, whether it be by the use of technology or getting better referees from abroad?
I am not putting all of the blame for United not winning today but it certainly contributed. By not keeping discipline on the pitch meant that the many incidents of timewasting and violent conduct were unpunished so continued to spoil the game

 

[Bladesman]

It doesn't get much better abroad when you see the shit spanish refs get up to in La Liga.

 

[jt64]

I think besides today and the Boro disallowed goal the reffing has been alright, you always get the occasional crap one who's inconsistent and has his cards arrive by courier at around quarter past four

 

[Hodgyman]

It doesn't get much better abroad when you see the shit spanish refs get up to in La Liga.

I agree that they are not all better, but neither are the many foreign players that cannot get a game with our clubs. We would only want to employ the proven good ones

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I agree that they are not all better, but neither are the many foreign players that cannot get a game with our clubs. We would only want to employ the proven good ones

You might find that Brexit scuppers that idea anyway. And I still haven't seen anything said about European players after Brexit (and managers, come to that). On the evidence of today, Mr Farke and his cynical ideas would not be missed. Perhaps I'll come round to the idea of Brexit after all...

 

[Woodwardfan]

When you have referees like him today the game descends into a farce. 26000 spectators expect and deserve better standards. The destiny of the points becomes a lottery and a real uphill task if you fall a goal behind.

I agree foreign refs usually show well in European games. Significantly they rarely fall for dives maybe because they have experienced them for more years than we have and dives don't wash anymore.

So I agree with the O.P. about foreign referees but not foreign managers or foreign players, not for me thanks. All the money has attracted them and our game is often all the worse for their 'professional' ways. A number of nations routinely teach gamesmanship, diving and cheating from young ages and we even see it in our parks these days.

 

[Hodgyman]

When you have referees like him today the game descends into a farce. 26000 spectators expect and deserve better standards. The destiny of the points becomes a lottery and a real uphill task if you fall a goal behind.

I agree foreign refs usually show well in European games. Significantly they rarely fall for dives maybe because they have experienced them for more years than we have and dives don't wash anymore.

So I agree with the O.P. about foreign referees but not foreign managers or foreign players, not for me thanks. All the money has attracted them and our game is often all the worse for their 'professional' ways. A number of nations routinely teach gamesmanship, diving and cheating from young ages and we even see it in our parks these days.

I agree WWF thhuat we could be better off without foreign players & managers, but given that seems to be common in our game, why not try to attract their better refs too?

Better still, why not relegate poor referees more often?

 

[Woodwardfan]

I agree WWF thhuat we could be better off without foreign players & managers, but given that seems to be common in our game, why not try to attract their better refs too?

Better still, why not relegate poor referees more often?

Your point 1. I wouldn't mind foreign refs to be honest.

Point 2. Fact is there are not enough good refs to replace those suspended or relegated.

Biggest cause of that is the totally useless '4th Official' and they should be scrapped. Every game absorbs an extra official who does little else than humour spoilt managers and keep them apart at times. Put the managers on opposite sides of the pitch and go back to making substitutions like the old days, it's not rocket science! Today's 4th Official brought a massive bag over his shoulder and that really is taking the piss. Get rid of 'em. Darren Ferguson said so on Radio Sheffield when asked what he would change in the game - first time I've ever appreciated him.

 

[Punk Blade]

Today's game would probably have been improved by having no officials at all.

One point in the second half the ball went out for a throw. 22 players and 26k in the stands knew it was our throw, no appeals and no disagreement. The ref and lino gave it to them.

 

[SwissBlade]

Given that we enjoy the improvements that foreign players and managers have made to our game, should we now consider foreign referees to improve the standard of refereeing?.
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Should the whole subject of poor or mistyfying refereeing be sorted, whether it be by the use of technology or getting better referees from abroad?
I am not putting all of the blame for United not winning today but it certainly contributed. By not keeping discipline on the pitch meant that the many incidents of timewasting and violent conduct were unpunished so continued to spoil the game

Referees just need to be Consistent, they need to be stricter with the gamesmanship and they also need to use common sense.

They just need to do the job at the time, not retrospectively

 

[grafikhaus]

Firstly, the Norwich manager was 'foreign' and I didn't see him abiding by the rules.

I think a lot of the problems are that it seems that the 'referees assistants' aren't allowed to do their job. The corner in the second half was a case in point. 26k fans and all 22 players saw it had been deflected for a corner, but the three useless 'officials' didn't. I can see no other reason for this apart from the ref. pointing out before the game that he is in charge, so the 'assistants' didn't want to make him look a cunt.

But I think a change in the rules is due. Some of the Norwich muppets were saying 'Where did six minutes come from?' This is harking back to the days when added time was given depending on how long the 'trainer' had been on the field. Substitutes get added now and six subs. - like yesterday - will be at least 5 extra minutes not including time wasting 'injuries' etc. Also, when the board goes up, the extra time indicated is not written in stone. At the Derby game, 7 minutes were shown, Derby scored and celebrated like cunts meaning that ten minutes were actually played. So referees have some leeway regardless of what the board shows.

In a game like yesterday, imagine United were 2-1 up (I know...), six extra minutes were shown and Norwich equalise in added time - added time due entirely to Norwich time-wasting and cheating. Hardly fair, is it? So surely there's a way to 'adjust' extra time depending on who deserved to 'benefit' from it? I dunno. Any system yesterday wouldn't have worked 'cos the ref. was fucking incompetent.

 

[Silent Blade]

Today's game would probably have been improved by having no officials at all.

One point in the second half the ball went out for a throw. 22 players and 26k in the stands knew it was our throw, no appeals and no disagreement. The ref and lino gave it to them.

Happened more than once. Three times (one of them should have been a corner for us, not a goal lick for them), from what I remember

 

[Hodgyman]

The officials yesterday would give us offside if we scored from a penalty

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Firstly, the Norwich manager was 'foreign' and I didn't see him abiding by the rules.

I think a lot of the problems are that it seems that the 'referees assistants' aren't allowed to do their job. The corner in the second half was a case in point. 26k fans and all 22 players saw it had been deflected for a corner, but the three useless 'officials' didn't. I can see no other reason for this apart from the ref. pointing out before the game that he is in charge, so the 'assistants' didn't want to make him look a cunt.

But I think a change in the rules is due. Some of the Norwich muppets were saying 'Where did six minutes come from?' This is harking back to the days when added time was given depending on how long the 'trainer' had been on the field. Substitutes get added now and six subs. - like yesterday - will be at least 5 extra minutes not including time wasting 'injuries' etc. Also, when the board goes up, the extra time indicated is not written in stone. At the Derby game, 7 minutes were shown, Derby scored and celebrated like cunts meaning that ten minutes were actually played. So referees have some leeway regardless of what the board shows.

In a game like yesterday, imagine United were 2-1 up (I know...), six extra minutes were shown and Norwich equalise in added time - added time due entirely to Norwich time-wasting and cheating. Hardly fair, is it? So surely there's a way to 'adjust' extra time depending on who deserved to 'benefit' from it? I dunno. Any system yesterday wouldn't have worked 'cos the ref. was fucking incompetent.

The only fair way (and it could spoil the game in general) is to work out how many minutes the ball is in play on average, and then play, say, 30 minutes each way, with the clock stopped whenever the ball is dead. We'd end up watching the likes of Gunn placing the ball in 7 different positions for each goal-kick, but at least he would not be reducing the amount of time the ball is in play. Or I suppose the ref could give a warning for time-wasting, and then award say, a penalty corner if it happens again.