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dazzlingblade said:
waste of time mate, he just likes a moan, guarantee if we had spent 10m today, he would not be here praising the board, he would just not be here
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here we are back in the championship holding our own in th and we suddenly have a squad making upthe numbers ,,, really, just fail to understand how some of our fans find negatives in every detail of every day and any player we sign is a poor option , before they kicjk a ball
why
theres no X million pound signs attatched to it
 
JJBlade said:
We've gone for players with offers that have been rejected by their clubs because they were not sufficient to tempt them to sell

These deals wouldn't have even got as far as the players agent having to do anything because they were rejected out of hand.
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Yet no other club in the world was willing to pay more or even as much as us for those players.

Has Wilder tried to recruit a load of rubbish or did McCabe order him which players to target?

You do spout consistent garbage at a level few can match, JJ.
 
dazzlingblade said:
waste of time mate, he just likes a moan, guarantee if we had spent 10m today, he would not be here praising the board, he would just not be here
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There's moaning and then there's malicious, agenda-fuelled, carefully rehearsed, vitriolic nonsense. We invariably get the latter. Self-styled Blades who are nothing of the kind, taking every opportunity to undermine the club they risibly claim to support, at a time when there is so much to enjoy.

NBWs.
 
Come from away said:
Wilder has been consistent that we will not pay over our evaluation
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He's been forced to say that by McCabe, pointing a revolver at his temple.

All our bids were decided by McCabe. They were deliberately at a gross undervalue (albeit not a single club in the entire world was prepared to pay more) so as to ensure that we did not have to actually spend anything (the ten players we've brought in this window were free gifts from other clubs and have agreed to waive any wage or salary whatever).

Wilder is a complete patsy who is going along with all this whilst telling lie after lie to the fans in order to cover up his pivotal part in this bizarre and thoroughly dishonest charade.

You'd think they'd just make no offers at all, rather than conducting a transparent publicity stunt that our intellectual fans see through anyway. What's the point? It would save a great deal of time and trouble all round.
 
Why does a footballer actually need an agent? Seem to take more than they give.
 

S64 Blade said:
The contracts are millions of pounds for a reason.
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Yes, the clubs have tens of millions of pounds to hand out.

If you want to complain about transfer inflation, Sky TV, the Champions League, the FA, FIFA, UEFA, the ECJ and the clubs are better targets than agents.
 
Revolution said:
Yes, the clubs have tens of millions of pounds to hand out.

If you want to complain about transfer inflation, Sky TV, the Champions League, the FA, FIFA, UEFA, the ECJ and the clubs are better targets than agents.
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I wasn't. I was complaining about the self-interested meddling of a party that holds no real value.

Let's assume the players received independent and non-profitable (or low fee) advice from the PFA and could make up their own minds,
 
S64 Blade said:
I wasn't. I was complaining about the self-interested meddling of a party that holds no real value.

Let's assume the players received independent and non-profitable (or low fee) advice from the PFA and could make up their own minds,
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They do. The PFA provide that service for free, or a small fee, if they want it. Some of them don't even use agents: James Milner was a prominent example of that.

But players are told by agents they can get better deals from the PFA. And they are often right, I am sure.

I would rather have agents in the game than have young players being poorly advised and, in some cases, flat out misled on a regular basis.

Personally, I would consider hiring a solicitor who negotiates commercial or employment contracts. Much cheaper and you get someone who will fight your corner.
 
Revolution said:
They do. The PFA provide that service for free, or a small fee, if they want it. Some of them don't even use agents: James Milner was a prominent example of that.

But players are told by agents they can get better deals from the PFA. And they are often right, I am sure.

I would rather have agents in the game than have young players being poorly advised and, in some cases, flat out misled on a regular basis.

Personally, I would consider hiring a solicitor who negotiates commercial or employment contracts. Much cheaper and you get someone who will fight your corner.
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The second to last paragraph is a massive contradiction.

I agree on the solicitor side. To me, the legal aspect seems to be the crucial point.
 
S64 Blade said:
The second to last paragraph is a massive contradiction.

I agree on the solicitor side. To me, the legal aspect seems to be the crucial point.
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I agree it's a contradiction if you start from the premise that all, or most, agents are corrupt and don't look out for the clients' best interests. I agree that's a commonly held view. I don't share it.
 
JJBlade said:
We've gone for players with offers that have been rejected by their clubs because they were not sufficient to tempt them to sell

These deals wouldn't have even got as far as the players agent having to do anything because they were rejected out of hand.
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Based on what?
 
Sheffsteel said:
It would seem that Wilder is saying the clubs AGREED some of the deals but the players agents were playing games.
Assume he's talking about Quinna and Sinclair.
Loans should be fairly straight forward, the easiest types of deals to make because they'll only temporary.
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This is what I heard. And looking at what is described above this was the situation for Cole
 
Tyler Durden said:
If there was any natural justice then every single football agent would be sleeping rough on the streets tomorrow, sucking cocks for the price of a cup of tea. But I've long since given up on any hope of fairness in this world, alas.
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Do you know if there are any female football agents :p :oops:
 
S64 Blade said:
Why does a footballer actually need an agent? Seem to take more than they give.
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S64 Blade said:
party that holds no real value.
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Agents are massively important for the majority of players.

Most players (sorry to say) aren't that bright, for whatever reason. For these players, someone with negotiating experience, knowledge of contract law and confidence is the difference between getting a good and bad deal.

The problem isn't agents, it's bad agents.
 
JJBlade said:
We've gone for players with offers that have been rejected by their clubs because they were not sufficient to tempt them to sell

These deals wouldn't have even got as far as the players agent having to do anything because they were rejected out of hand.
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Wrong. The days of players not being able to negotiate with clubs until a fee is agreed are long gone. Agents these days are approaching clubs offering their player and even inferring the fee required to get him. They are crooks....absolute scum of the earth most of them.

JJBlade said:
I'd suggest that Baldock and Stevens might be first team players, the rest no more than squad fillers
Everything we shouldn't have done we have done
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You do talk some crap.
I'm disappointed we haven't secured a couple of strikers but it doesn't mean I start having a paddy like a spoiled child!
All players signed are first team players, and all will have their part to play as the season pans out.
Some need work on fitness to get to the levels expected, others need to wait for their chance and take it.
How many more times do some people need an injection of sense and perspective before you leave them to be cynical sad little men?
 
Chali 2na said:
Agents are massively important for the majority of players.

Most players (sorry to say) aren't that bright, for whatever reason. For these players, someone with negotiating experience, knowledge of contract law and confidence is the difference between getting a good and bad deal.

The problem isn't agents, it's bad agents.
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This....both the PFA and the FA offer players agent services. And I believe there is no cost to use them.
Problem is the foreign market is different everywhere, and unless you deal with their crooked agents you can't even get near.

Agents are about networking, being able to contact clubs and broker deals. The players and their agents hold too much power and something should be done to deal with the problem.
 

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